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46. dictators typically allow the opposition to hold large public demonstrations, don't they?

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Chavez foe leads massive march in Venezuela [View all] jade3000 Jun 2012 OP

The rumor is that Chavez is on strong opiates to control bone pain. MADem Jun 2012 #1

Eh, you have to admit though the deathwatch isn't nearly as interesting as the electoral stuff. joshcryer Jun 2012 #3

Screenshot: joshcryer Jun 2012 #2

Beautiful. At least the people, I hope unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #4

LOL, welcome to DU. And, uh, nah, he'll keep the power. joshcryer Jun 2012 #6

You mean the dictator who is running for re-election? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #11

LOL pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #131

It's nice that we wear our post count on our sleeves. Gregorian Jun 2012 #17

Get a fucking clue. (nt) harmonicon Jun 2012 #23

dictators typically allow the opposition to hold large public demonstrations, don't they? frylock Jun 2012 #46

Try that in North Korea, China, Syria, Iran, kemah Jun 2012 #121

"Dictator"... You keep using that word tkmorris Jun 2012 #60

so Chavez didn't win internationally monitored elections? yurbud Jun 2012 #96

So did Saddam Hussein. boppers Jun 2012 #101

so you pretty much have no idea what you're talking about. yurbud Jun 2012 #112

Let me ask you a serious question. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #115

Here's the choices: boppers Jun 2012 #135

I could not agree more!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2012 #122

Fascist blackshirts. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #5

Why? Because they're against media censorship, unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #7

Lmao -- yes, thousands of people in the street EFerrari Jun 2012 #32

When you aren't allowed to run a TV station, or a newspaper, you have to take to the streets. boppers Jun 2012 #63

"That's kind of how it works." unkachuck Jun 2012 #66

It doesn't work like that in NYC, as we have seen lately EFerrari Jun 2012 #68

If you can control the media, *and* the streets, you have succeeded in gaining total control. boppers Jun 2012 #79

Really, this is now just embarrassing. EFerrari Jun 2012 #89

"brutal coupsters in Honduras" boppers Jun 2012 #98

There are DU'ers who post here who live there NOW, who most clearly don't agree with you. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #91

Interesting link. boppers Jun 2012 #94

Oh, baloney. If one of our tv outlets staged a coup in their studios EFerrari Jun 2012 #67

Well, a fake "coup" might trigger a congressional investigation. boppers Jun 2012 #77

Red herring. RCTV wasn't shut down even after they facilitated the coup. EFerrari Jun 2012 #85

Oh, so they were allowed to continue broadcasting then? boppers Jun 2012 #86

boppers, they broadcast for five more years, lol, until their license expired. EFerrari Jun 2012 #90

So, they got shut down. boppers Jun 2012 #92

Coup Co-Conspirators as Free-Speech Martyrs EFerrari Jun 2012 #93

If you do not support speech which seeks to undermine your government, you are a tyrant. boppers Jun 2012 #95

Love the last paragraph from this journalists' organization: Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #97

"allowed to broadcast" boppers Jun 2012 #99

Venevisión hosted the coupsters! They still have their license! joshcryer Jun 2012 #87

You owe it to yourself to keep up on this information by doing your own reading. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #69

Show me where any TV station could broadcast anything they wanted, and not carry official programs. boppers Jun 2012 #75

No, get off your ass and do your own work. I'll wait. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #78

Alo Presidente! boppers Jun 2012 #80

Show me a station in the US that hosts anyone who led or participated in an attempt to take down sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #114

No. We would also let them off in the name of unity. ieoeja Jun 2012 #127

Yes, we let powerful people off. Reagan was a President, Nixon was a president. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #140

Chavez participated in a coup, so obviously he is a traitor too correct? Bacchus4.0 Jun 2012 #128

Our Founding Fathers engaged in a coup. Sometimes a revolution is justified. Sometimes it is not. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #133

G Gordon Liddy gets air time all the time. boppers Jun 2012 #134

None of them was involved in a coup against a sitting president, were they? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #139

Venevision engineered the coup, they hosted the coupsters, they had them denouncing... joshcryer Jun 2012 #149

Lol, I think you better look into the background of this guy. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #125

Yes, we know, Capriles is a "fag", a zionist, a fascist, etc. ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #145

Not a fan of Capriles I see. joshcryer Jun 2012 #8

LOL... you're kidding ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #12

Don't trouble the Saint Hugo Fan Club with facts - it just makes them cranky. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #15

"the first people in the world with Haiti to rise up against imperialism" boppers Jun 2012 #64

It sure does... but I don't see that date the way you see it. ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #147

When would you date them becoming an "imperialist power"? boppers Jun 2012 #150

All of them? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #28

When you repeat corporatist talking points, then... bitchkitty Jun 2012 #137

What do you mean? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #138

Beautiful picture of brave men and women standing up to tyranny. May their cause triumph. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #9

They're going to "stand up to tyranny" by voting. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #13

Yes, they are - if Chavez allows a fair vote. Every election to date he's been in he's stolen votes, apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #16

The people who actually monitored elections there don't agree with you. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #18

Oh yes they do - and you well know it. But nice try. n/t. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #19

You provide no evidence. And I don't know who "Hannah" is. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #21

Evidence was provided at your OWN LINK - which you apparently failed to examine before posting. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #70

And BTW, Hannah, welcome back. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #20

I guess that craptastic post was enough to shame even you. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #41

Well, wrong again Hannah. But it's nice to see you back on the site, even if you are predictably a apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #73

Come back when you grow up. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #107

Nor do the people at the National Lawyers Guild Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #22

Now, I do think Chavez was legitimatley elected and reelected, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #29

Now you've done it. pa28 Jun 2012 #25

Don't worry, facts never interfere with a good Venezuela hate fest! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #49

Venezuela's elections are the cleanest in the hemisphere. It's the pre-vote purges that... joshcryer Jun 2012 #84

The elections in Venezuela are Transparent, Verifiable, and monitored by Internatioonal agencies, bvar22 Jun 2012 #39

The elections in Venezuela have been stolen since Chavz first "won" - this is proven fact, period. apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #103

There are excellent sources already linked at D.U. regarding statements by international monitors, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #108

The elections in Venezuela have been stolen since Chavz first "won" - this is proven fact, period. bvar22 Jun 2012 #126

yet somehow you can't even manage to pull a link outta your ass to prove your assertions.. frylock Jun 2012 #129

?? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #48

Once the names are on the ballots, the elections have been fair by all accounts I've read. boppers Jun 2012 #65

They must be brave because tyrants smash the opposition with tanks and guns. pa28 Jun 2012 #27

Is that the new definition of tyrant? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #30

Calling Chavez a dictator and tyrant is an extraordinary claim. pa28 Jun 2012 #43

yes I agree naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #45

If he'd been a tyrant, he would have zapped them when they started violent protests, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #35

A 100 18 year olds were going to kill Chavez? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #47

Whoever said the paramilitaries were 18 years old? Some of them were former Colombian soldiers. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #62

Right, there were like 2 or 3 adults with them... LOL. Why were they sent back to their homes... ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #146

Yes, given the Tascón List it is very brave of these people to show support for Capriles. joshcryer Jun 2012 #82

It will. joshcryer Jun 2012 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #132

I see the Regime Change Booster Club is in session today. leveymg Jun 2012 #10

Caracus?! We surely can trust your opinion on Vunuzuela, right? ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #14

shriners? Triloon Jun 2012 #24

For a good time see a pro-Chavez demonstration. It'll make your day. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #26

How do you know its a good time? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #31

Do you have anything to add to this thread EFerrari Jun 2012 #33

yes naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #37

Really? You're challenging her assertion that it was "a good time?" Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #40

If you read the thread naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #42

I don't understand why people think that is an argument for anything. EFerrari Jun 2012 #58

It's an argument that direct personal experience may be better qualified and more insightful Zorro Jun 2012 #59

You mean like the OP. But I thought you didn't have to be there to sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #142

So, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #120

No, I didn't say that travel isn't educative. EFerrari Jun 2012 #123

Perhaps, naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #124

You're confusing History with current affairs ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #143

Not really. I'm in San Jose and keep up with Cairo very nicely EFerrari Jun 2012 #148

Shhhh, you're ruining the thread, Judy Lynn! Lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #51

They loved things just as they were when Vene. Pres. Carlos Andres Perez ordered his military, Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #76

So much ignorance of the history of South America in this country and of the role of the US in sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #100

Chavez already went to prison once for a murderous conspiracy. boppers Jun 2012 #104

Well then I guess you don't support the Founding Fathers of this country either. They would have sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #116

The US founding fathers tried a military coup? boppers Jun 2012 #136

That's not the way the Venezuelan people viewed that coup attempt. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #151

I'm glad they all have only one opinion, that makes things easier. boppers Jun 2012 #152

Uniformed followers freak me the fuck out. boppers Jun 2012 #102

Oh, yeah. For sure. They're just the worst. Go, Chiefs! Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #110

Good for Chavez for allowing that. If it were to happen here in the land of the free sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #50

Don't forget those dandy wooden dowels they sometimes like to use on U.S. citizens. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #83

The cops tend to crack down on anti-political movement here. joshcryer Jun 2012 #88

I always thought it was a little creepy that people register here EFerrari Jun 2012 #34

Its to keep themselves occupied dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #36

Who has registered here to bash chavez? naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #38

Actually, I was flashing on the last referendum EFerrari Jun 2012 #55

Thanks naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #118

Oh, good catch! Odin2005 Jun 2012 #44

True, but as you say, to each their own. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #52

You want to support the view that anyone disagreeing with Chavez is a fascist and a tool of imperial ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #53

He won't naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #54

That's "she". EFerrari Jun 2012 #57

I apologize naaman fletcher Jun 2012 #119

Chavez is pretty popular in Venezuela. I don't see him being ousted. AJTheMan Jun 2012 #56

Losing an election isn't being "ousted". boppers Jun 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author AJTheMan Jun 2012 #74

This kind of stuff always happens under dictatorships. nt killbotfactory Jun 2012 #61

:) EFerrari Jun 2012 #71

China, Egypt, Syria, United States..... boppers Jun 2012 #105

And the difference is... killbotfactory Jun 2012 #106

If I was to concoct a subject state... boppers Jun 2012 #109

Marcos, the Shah of Iran and we never learn PossumSqueezins Jun 2012 #111

Thank you, and welcome to DU. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #113

I applaud you pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #141

Yes -welcome to DU dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #117

Perfectly clean elections... except for the blacklisting BY THE GOVT of 30% of the voters ChangoLoa Jun 2012 #144

You won't get far with stating the facts to some people. But thanks for trying? nanabugg Jun 2012 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #130