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dpibel

(2,803 posts)
120. A menacing way
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 07:37 PM
Jun 2012

You say: "At about 1.14, this shows the altercation with the three who got shot after approaching Rodriguez in a menacing way and threatening to have a shoot-out with him."

Did you forget the part about Rodriguez being the one who was standing there with a gun threatening to shoot?

I question your perspective if you think he was the one being menaced.

In your world, if you're faced with a maniac with a gun who is telling you he's going to shoot, you have an affirmative duty to say, "I'm not armed"? That's the only reasonable inference from your statement that, although one of the drunks said he was going to go back to his house and get a gun, Rodriguez was still in reasonable fear of his life because the other two didn't say, "And by the way, we don't have guns on us, either"?

I think you are being disingenuous.

I looked at the video. It certainly appears from it that a Texas man killed a teacher over a noise complaint.

So far, being a rowdy drunk is still not a capital crime. If it were, Texas would fast be depopulated. Even if it were, a guy with a gun reciting CCW buzzwords actually doesn't constitute due process.

videotaped himself.. frylock Jun 2012 #1
Absolutely- and the words he chose were very obvious Marrah_G Jun 2012 #223
What, don't YOU pack heat when you talk to your neighbors about something? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2
Really? Please provide a link of a Gungeoneer who says that legal possession of a firearm Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #8
Read the fucking gungeon Scootaloo Jun 2012 #12
So, I take it you don't have a link? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #24
Trouble is, sifting through all of it would be like going through TV Tropes Scootaloo Jun 2012 #27
So in other words SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #166
No, "in other words" I didn't have time. Which isn't really "other words," but hey Scootaloo Jun 2012 #188
I don't see that he "refuses" to admit it. His argument is that the vast majority Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #192
Who said anything about CCW? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #194
Oh, Good God. You're hopeless. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #209
I recall several posts made by many of our pro-gun "progressives" Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #28
Not quite the same thing as "absolves him of all criminal liability," now is it? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #32
I doubt that. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #38
What do you know? How many CCW'ers do you know? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #40
I go by what I read on gun forums. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #45
Perhaps you should look at some real statistics. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #78
Who cares about facts and statistics? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #129
Having fewer murder convictions is OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #240
Here you are: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #261
Hmmmm.... OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #265
More data: GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #270
So that's about 2%. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #272
Certainly there are millions who could qualify for a CHL but don't want one... GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #274
No, the debate is about what claims are made in the debate. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #276
I know a lot too and yes they are Frightened and Paranoid, thats why they Pack everywhere. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #47
I was wondering about that statement too........... Plucketeer Jun 2012 #55
Do you wear a seat belt? If so, why? Are you frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #59
Do you believe in Jesus? If so, DocMac Jun 2012 #70
Ya I wear a seat belt , because I'm Afraid some idiot will run into me,, I don't pack anymore bahrbearian Jun 2012 #73
So you ARE frightened and paranoid? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #87
Admit it So are You, bahrbearian Jun 2012 #93
No, I won't admit to something so blatantly untrue. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #127
seatbelt? because it's required by law. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #94
I've always used one since I was a kid, long before their use was required slackmaster Jun 2012 #95
but did you use your seatbelt because you're paranoid and frightened? BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #105
I use it because I want to increase my chances of survival in the event of a violent collision slackmaster Jun 2012 #110
Fail. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #122
Nothing to do with it actually being... oh... PavePusher Jun 2012 #286
This message was self-deleted by its author BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2012 #101
"NONE"????? None of them are frightened, paranoid or angry?? loudsue Jun 2012 #57
That's correct. None. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #61
Maybe you "Think" your not Frighted or Paranoid but packing proves you wrong. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #68
The vast majority of permit holders are rural and suburban white males.... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #69
So what are "They" afraid of? bahrbearian Jun 2012 #71
I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #74
We are , I thought you were someone else. I'll edit it. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #79
You have proof of that demographic? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #88
As I said "the vast majority"... Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #90
And you are ignoring my proof that most are urban. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #109
whites are about 50% of tx population. interesting. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #281
heh heh.... glad others here are telling them what's up fascisthunter Jun 2012 #82
How would he know who were CCW unless they inform him and why should they inform him? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #163
More law abiding on average than what? OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #238
Ya, it all makes perfect sense, When I speak to people while holding a gun on them bahrbearian Jun 2012 #33
On average more law abiding doesn't mean universally law abiding 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #228
You live in Canada by any chance? ileus Jun 2012 #50
tis an ill wind blowing. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #66
Bingo. onehandle Jun 2012 #64
Got any evidence (like actual case studies of gun owners).... PavePusher Jun 2012 #287
you are reading through the veil of your own prejudice. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #114
Agree. patrice Jun 2012 #30
Well, now that you actually have entered the Guns forum to defend this absurd petronius Jun 2012 #44
I love the smell of pizza in the morning. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #54
Lt Kilgore... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #75
How? Nobody delivers before noon! nt DocMac Jun 2012 #76
its always five o'clock somewhere. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #112
Lol...how true. nt DocMac Jun 2012 #158
He went over to the other house with a gun and had set up a video-recording in advance? 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #3
+1. He wasn't standing *his* own ground. He's going down for this. freshwest Jun 2012 #15
SYG is the perfect law for bullies. They have to have an edge. Now they can pick a fight they might rhett o rick Jun 2012 #4
That's been my issue from the start... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #138
Nope. That was NOT self-defense. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #5
+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #11
Premeditated mrder. H2O Man Jun 2012 #6
+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #9
Yep! And a sick attempt to cover for it, too. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #86
To me, his videotaping shows the confrontation was premeditated obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #262
Exactly. H2O Man Jun 2012 #273
You got it obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #275
Hope he fries FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #7
By this reasoning I suppose sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #10
Exactly. And I saw a gun shop owner on TV saying Rodriguez did everything right. pnwmom Jun 2012 #22
it's comin' right for us! frylock Jun 2012 #132
But, But, he feared for his life. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #13
Pre-emptive war on the homefront? I can't believe he'll get away with this. freshwest Jun 2012 #17
Its the Bush Doctrine, its never been challenged. Look forward. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #19
Much older than Bush, go back a couple of centuries. Engrained response. freshwest Jun 2012 #21
The sad part is he'd probably have a whole lot of believers Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #140
Noise complaint? abelenkpe Jun 2012 #14
That's right! DocMac Jun 2012 #91
Damn straight sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #208
OK, I need to shout this now: SHOOTER DID CALL THE POLICE "REPEATEDLY" before shooting wordpix Jun 2012 #267
He probably should have consulted an attorney Turbineguy Jun 2012 #16
That's sick. He's a murderer. nt shcrane71 Jun 2012 #18
A person is dead because this man thought SYG gave him the right to kill. enough Jun 2012 #20
Beware of criticizing SYG laws. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #241
It's obvious, these SYG laws Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #23
No surprise there. Look at the people who enacted these laws Thegonagle Jun 2012 #36
Would a Soylent Green reference be too much? sakabatou Jun 2012 #193
Sounds like he planned to murder the guy to me. Solly Mack Jun 2012 #25
How is he standing his ground in someone else's driveway. Its not just ... marble falls Jun 2012 #26
Yes, standing your ground means staying where you are instead of running away slackmaster Jun 2012 #53
The whole thing looks like a half assed savalez Jun 2012 #72
I don't know about Texas Hells Liberal Jun 2012 #106
does this work for gas leafblowers too? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #29
Premediated murder Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #31
There will no doubt be plenty of gun fans rising to his defense. pnwmom Jun 2012 #34
He was the armed aggressor. He initiated the contact. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #81
I agree that this was murder. But I'm not a gun fanatic. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #115
good to know in case i decide to rob a liquor store frylock Jun 2012 #134
I am reminded of the brutal cops who robotically tblue37 Jun 2012 #35
You watch Cops too? You'd think they'd behave better in front of a TV camera. Thegonagle Jun 2012 #37
No--I have never seen that program. But I do often see cops doing that tblue37 Jun 2012 #58
This looks like premeditated murder to me slackmaster Jun 2012 #39
The shooter escalated the situation by rudely confronting his neighbors. pacalo Jun 2012 #41
apparently you didn't read the article or see the video. The shooter DID call police several x from wordpix Jun 2012 #263
The video showed a man out in the street, angrily approaching his neighbor's house. pacalo Jun 2012 #280
I wonder bongbong Jun 2012 #42
What is a "gun-religionist"? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #43
They're all out shooting their neighbors and getting their rocks off over it. nt valerief Jun 2012 #52
Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #130
Read the thread. valerief Jun 2012 #235
I did. Who is? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #277
Who is what? valerief Jun 2012 #284
You are making accusations of murder and mental imbalance against DUers. PavePusher Jun 2012 #288
Apparently didn't choose the former. Robb Jun 2012 #295
Aw Geez meeksgeek Jun 2012 #46
Not necessarily a "noise complaint", Moses2SandyKoufax Jun 2012 #49
the shooter DID call the cops, several times wordpix Jun 2012 #264
Where did I lie? meeksgeek Jun 2012 #278
they're coming right at us! enki23 Jun 2012 #48
OMG, that asshole went over with his kill weapon just looking for trouble. valerief Jun 2012 #51
You know, the phrase "strung up by the neck" is much more commonly petronius Jun 2012 #62
Uh, why can't you have both? Does it always have to be poison in the veins? nt valerief Jun 2012 #234
Hanging has a long historical record... PavePusher Jun 2012 #289
Yes, I know - I was referring just the phrasing petronius Jun 2012 #292
Are you willing to pull the lever that drops him? oneshooter Jun 2012 #154
Sure. After his trial. nt valerief Jun 2012 #233
"First we're gonna give'im a fair trial... PavePusher Jun 2012 #290
Gun culture strikes again. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #56
Sounds like his video/audio will bite him on the ass. ileus Jun 2012 #60
Yep. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #65
I didn't take that away. I think the shooter was truly scared AND wordpix Jun 2012 #266
Watched the video. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #63
His video will likely be evidence at his murder trial. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #67
I miss the unrec button. L0oniX Jun 2012 #77
tough shit fascisthunter Jun 2012 #85
Ohhh you are scaring me now. L0oniX Jun 2012 #89
don't shoot fascisthunter Jun 2012 #92
Don't hit me you OG tattooed big bully. L0oniX Jun 2012 #96
hahaha.... well done! fascisthunter Jun 2012 #97
There's a little "x" at the end of the thread title Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #149
This dumbass was the ONLY one out there with a gun, so why was he "scared" for his own life? nt MrScorpio Jun 2012 #80
What are you going to believe, the headline or your lying eyes? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #83
"got shot after approaching Rodriguez in a menacing way" FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #107
Both parties were gun owners. The video at #83 provides the best evidence of their actions. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #135
please tell me you live in this neighborhood and can tell us about the Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #151
I don't have to interpret the video. It is what it is. I just invited people to actually look at it AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #157
And we looked. FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #173
Google is your friend. Photo of the layout. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #175
doesn't tell me much, but it's better than nothing, so thanks... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #180
Apartment complex. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #181
so where was the manager/landlord/super or whatever?? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #182
Those are good questions. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #183
I put my other findings in #179 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #184
This was a house on a 2 acre property, not an apartment. pnwmom Jun 2012 #248
What the heck is this? The only Kelly Danaher in Huffman, TX pnwmom Jun 2012 #239
What do you see in the video at the 54 second mark? N/T beevul Jun 2012 #197
at :54? I see truck headlights Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #201
What about the double yellow lines they're shining on... beevul Jun 2012 #202
ok....it's clear that they sort of came to him... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #205
I read 179. beevul Jun 2012 #206
Yes, the unedited video is important Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #207
Danaher's house was on a 2 acre property. But he didn't come out of the car, pnwmom Jun 2012 #250
it doesn't take much imagination to know what's wrong with the poster you've addressed frylock Jun 2012 #137
Obviously what's wrong with me is that I don't engage in ad hominem attacks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #142
We've all seen the video OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #242
A menacing way dpibel Jun 2012 #120
"So far, being a rowdy drunk is still not a capital crime", Too bad because I'd like to see bahrbearian Jun 2012 #128
He's not in jail? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #143
You're eyes are doing a pretty good job lying to you. pnwmom Jun 2012 #123
Anyone can look at the video at 1.30 and see that "those guys" WERE NOT "holding their hands AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #141
The victim was on his own property. The shooter had left his home to complain about NOISE. pnwmom Jun 2012 #146
That's all the video shows you? It doesn't show you "those guys holding their hands up above their AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #156
I'm taking the side of an unarmed man on his own driveway who was shot by an angry, paranoid pnwmom Jun 2012 #159
What if... sarisataka Jun 2012 #167
Screw "what if". We should be more concerned with "what did". Heywood J Jun 2012 #195
I'd think they'd have been justified pnwmom Jun 2012 #211
Why would they be justified in attempting to disarm him sarisataka Jun 2012 #225
I said morally justified, not legally justified. I wouldn't have blamed them pnwmom Jun 2012 #226
There I can agree sarisataka Jun 2012 #227
Wait a minute OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #243
I am speaking of legalities sarisataka Jun 2012 #245
Their legal justification is clear: OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #249
You still miss the point sarisataka Jun 2012 #252
I don't miss the point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #253
I think we reached middle ground here sarisataka Jun 2012 #255
Unfortunately, common sense is far too uncommon! OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #268
what if your aunt had nads? frylock Jun 2012 #212
If I am taking a side, I am taking the side of verifiable evidence instead of speculation. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #168
The video is only part of the evidence given in the courtroom, pnwmom Jun 2012 #213
You've said this twice now, and it's self-contradictory FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #174
"A handgun is for shooting your way to your rifle..." AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #178
So, Rodriguez was going for a rifle? boppers Jun 2012 #186
There is no doubt that the shooter was the ONLY one with a gun. pnwmom Jun 2012 #214
Golly, maybe the poster is taking the side of the person who isn't a murderous fuck DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #198
LOL. That about sums it up. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #215
You missed part of the video, obviously...or perhaps didn't see the same one. beevul Jun 2012 #196
Courtroom testimony was that he entered the driveway. However, pnwmom Jun 2012 #216
So why would they leave their party and drive over to HIS house to confront HIM? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #155
He is not "my boy Rodriguez." In modern America we don't use such phrases. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #161
OK; he's not "your boy"...Pardon the ebonics... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #179
More "verifiable evidence" for you in #185 Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #204
The other attendees probably didn't have guns to drive home to get. pnwmom Jun 2012 #217
uh, yeah...he WAS killed over a noise complaint Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #145
I watched it- The man with the gun is at fault Marrah_G Jun 2012 #224
nobody saw this coming... especially gun nuts pushing for this madness fascisthunter Jun 2012 #84
hey it worked once... n/t neovente Jun 2012 #98
Not as clear cut as either side would like sarisataka Jun 2012 #99
He went onto someone else's property and precipitated an argument that escalated into a fight slackmaster Jun 2012 #102
Its not clear whos property hes on... beevul Jun 2012 #108
I can't tell what's going on in the video, but I can't listen to the sound until I get home tonight slackmaster Jun 2012 #111
More video here beevul Jun 2012 #121
The full video would be helpful sarisataka Jun 2012 #152
Absolutely. 100%. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #162
Thank you. I'm aware that you're very pro 2nd Amendment DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2012 #199
The video provides the best evidence. See #83. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #125
He claimed he was 200 feet away, but plenty of driveways are that long. pnwmom Jun 2012 #131
The video at #83 provides the best evidence. It doesn't show that "They were standing with their AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #139
No one else had a gun! Any paranoid person, like this shooter, can see a bulge and pnwmom Jun 2012 #147
If anyone wants to follow your link to see whether it does or does not establish that "No one else AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #164
"He was the one with the gun." THE ONE. You don't have to follow a link, pnwmom Jun 2012 #236
you can see the lights of the house. it's far back from the filmer. you can see the filmer is HiPointDem Jun 2012 #282
The video was more than 22 minutes long, and that video is only a few minutes. pnwmom Jun 2012 #285
i agree he precipitated everything. but the video doesn't show him on their property, & it does HiPointDem Jun 2012 #293
They're laughing because they were drunk and/or stupid. But they weren't paranoid pnwmom Jun 2012 #294
you seem to think you need to convince me of something i've already acknowledged. you don't. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #296
I guess I don't know why it matters if the partygoers jumped him. It's still his fault, right? pnwmom Jun 2012 #297
did we watch the same video? yes, they were angry, cursing, & threatening. the guy started it, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #298
Yes we did. As you said before, they were LAUGHING just as the video ended. pnwmom Jun 2012 #299
laughing not in a fun way. i thought that both parties appeared threatening at different times, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #300
"I'm not going to lose to these people anymore," he said -- laughter, and then the gun went off. pnwmom Jun 2012 #301
Nonsensical OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #244
May I enlighten you sarisataka Jun 2012 #246
No, my scenario has nothing to do with "terroristic threats" OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #251
Did you miss the truck? sarisataka Jun 2012 #254
No, I saw the truck. OrwellwasRight Jun 2012 #256
I think we may not be totally eye to eye sarisataka Jun 2012 #257
Why should he have felt fearful? He didn't have to stand his ground. All he had to do pnwmom Jun 2012 #258
Tactically unsound sarisataka Jun 2012 #259
He couldn't have, you know, STAYED IN HIS HOUSE? Cosmocat Jun 2012 #283
So he's claiming "Stand your ground". Hells Liberal Jun 2012 #100
Actually, as verified by the link, he's claiming self-defense. Others who are opposed to him, but AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #165
Wild Wild West. These idiots are using this law to kill people. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #103
He was standing on the victim's ground. McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #104
He was standing in the street. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #113
The victim isn't saying anything because he's dead. And the article says pnwmom Jun 2012 #116
Watch the video. Its in this thread. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #118
That video was the first one I saw and it shows he's the aggressor. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #124
I agree that he is the agressor, but he is still in the street. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #136
You can't tell that from the video. My driveway is more than 300 feet long. And the testimony pnwmom Jun 2012 #144
So what that your driveway is long? His wasn't. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #171
I'm judging from the courtroom testimony that it took place pnwmom Jun 2012 #189
You mean that you are judging from the MSM reporting. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #220
True. But several media sources reported the same testimony. pnwmom Jun 2012 #221
What driveway? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #229
How do you know where the location is? pnwmom Jun 2012 #232
Regardless of how long your driveway is, Danaher says at 1.52 that they are in the street AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #172
The courtroom testimony says they were in the driveway. pnwmom Jun 2012 #190
At 1.52 in the video, Danaher says that they are in the street and that he is going to return. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #170
If he setup a video then went armed with a gun it was premeditated murder. nt cstanleytech Jun 2012 #117
I watched the video... it's not cut-and-dried to me renate Jun 2012 #119
So what if one of the guys said he could go back in the house and get a gun? pnwmom Jun 2012 #126
well, sure--this is why stand your ground laws are bullshit renate Jun 2012 #150
It should never be a defense when you're standing in someone else's driveway, pnwmom Jun 2012 #153
Reasonable and imminent dpibel Jun 2012 #160
How exactly do you "stand your ground" by taking a weapon onto toddwv Jun 2012 #148
SYG while standing in someone else's driveway? Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #133
He doesn't stand a chance with that defense. JoeyT Jun 2012 #169
If he thought his neighbor was dangerous Ilsa Jun 2012 #176
It's likely that he will be convicted. The MSM is reporting things which are at odds with the video AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #177
I watched the same video you did and I saw no one threaten him at all. pnwmom Jun 2012 #191
He shined a flashlight in their eyes? KansDem Jun 2012 #200
"Former neighbors, union: Rodriguez 'always paranoid'" boppers Jun 2012 #185
Here we go...Just as I'd been saying all along... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #203
They voted him out of the union rather than guiding him to get treatment for a mental disorder? slackmaster Jun 2012 #218
I'm interested to know more about that... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #230
Yes. I've seen a lot of people go untreated because friends and family got tired of their crap. slackmaster Jun 2012 #231
however, friends don't let mentally unbalanced friends own guns wordpix Jun 2012 #269
Mentally unbalanced people often don't have friends. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #271
I'm sure the teacher had a gold tooth. U4ikLefty Jun 2012 #187
I am certain that if everyone involved was packing heat and using their 2nd ammendment rights (sic) grantcart Jun 2012 #210
Nah, you'd have a 21st-century version of the "O.K. Corral" KansDem Jun 2012 #260
So, let me get this straight... Tommykun Jun 2012 #219
The only part that isn't quite right -- pnwmom Jun 2012 #237
I'm just not surprised by this backaroo LanternWaste Jun 2012 #222
Fucking GUn Nuts just looking and hoping for a chance to shoot someone JI7 Jun 2012 #247
I don't even have to watch the video to know this man should be publically hung. Unite2DefeatGOP Jun 2012 #279
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Jun 2012 #291
I don't think "Stand Your Ground" works as a defense when your ground is the victim's driveway. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #302
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