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In the discussion thread: Nazi Victim’s Family Told to Return Artifact [View all]

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:36 PM

39. You completely missread everything

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I'm indignant that this family thinks it has a right to keep a piece of priceless history.

Just as I'm indignant when religious radicals blow up pieces of priceless history.

Just as I'm indignant when people loot priceless pieces of history from archaeological sites so some rich asshole can admire it in his home.

I'm indignant about the holocaust being used as an excuse.

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98 replies	Author	Time	Post
Nazi Victim’s Family Told to Return Artifact [View all]	alp227	Jun 2012	OP
Figures, the family is unhappy	Confusious	Jun 2012	#1
But shouldn't it actually go back to Iraq? The Germans, after all, took what	1monster	Jun 2012	#5
I agree: it belongs in Iraq from where it was origionaly looted .... I mean 'collected'.	marble falls	Jun 2012	#11
Now see reply #15 below.	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#22
"it was all he had left"	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#13
Seems to me, if that were so,	Confusious	Jun 2012	#24
how do you know what his choices were?	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#27
Well,	Confusious	Jun 2012	#28
it seems to me	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#30
How he got it doesn't matter	Confusious	Jun 2012	#32
I don't presume	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#33
There are a lot of things I wouldn't presume either	Confusious	Jun 2012	#34
including	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#41
Nothing that has happened to you	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#80
You seem to want to blame entire countries	Confusious	Jun 2012	#83
If you took something that had once been in a U.S. military museum	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#86
The museum should have left it at a polite respect for the artifact's return	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#54
Your argument about the "humanity" is bull	Confusious	Jun 2012	#64
If Germany is pay MORE reparations. it shouldn't pay them just to Israel	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#67
The reason the museum found out is because	Confusious	Jun 2012	#69
It goes without saying that when the family called	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#79
If you look it up on the web	Confusious	Jun 2012	#81
So it was the Russian soldier that was the thief...NOT Mr. Flamenbaum.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#85
As I said before	Confusious	Jun 2012	#87
I hope when they return the tablet	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#2
Why?	Confusious	Jun 2012	#35
Why are you so seemingly pissed off at the holocaust survivors?	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#38
You completely missread everything	Confusious	Jun 2012	#39
I think your indignancy is overblown, and missplaced.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#40
Just out of curiousity	Confusious	Jun 2012	#44
Yes.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#45
You said below that they should keep it	Confusious	Jun 2012	#47
I'm not claiming to be Walt Whitman, but I reserve the right to contradict myself from time to time.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#50
Yea, and I noticed you didn't quote the part	Confusious	Jun 2012	#65
So is saying, as that poster was saying that "it's property theft and that's all that matters".	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#53
I'm just not feeling the outrage.	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#57
There's a difference between stealing from the oppressed	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#52
There was no oppresser in this	Confusious	Jun 2012	#66
And if they'd asked the Flamenbaums politely and respecfully, with an acknowledgment	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#68
They did. The family didn't want to give it up	Confusious	Jun 2012	#70
I thought "cultural patrimony" was essentially what YOU were talking about.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#71
There wasn't. The museum owns the piece.	Confusious	Jun 2012	#72
The bad behavior was the Ottomans stealing the damn thing from the Assyrians in the first place.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#73
Like I said, being informed isn't your forte is it?	Confusious	Jun 2012	#75
In any case, the Ottomans themselves just stole the damn thing.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#76
Can't really steal something that's in your own territory	Confusious	Jun 2012	#78
The point stands, though	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#82
So nobody ever owns anything	Confusious	Jun 2012	#84
I'll try this again so you understand.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#88
It's scary that you don't see the difference	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#42
What I see	Confusious	Jun 2012	#43
If it's about returning it to the rightful owners	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#46
If you had read below	Confusious	Jun 2012	#48
The OTTOMAN EMPIRE?	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#51
No, it seems you are	Confusious	Jun 2012	#63
"my family was put into camps, starved & murdered... and all I got was this lousy gold tablet"	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2012	#3
theft is theft	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#4
According to the article, the artifact was found in Iraq. Wasn't it stealing for the Germans	1monster	Jun 2012	#6
That could be said	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#7
the Assyrians?	ManyShadesOf	Jun 2012	#14
I agree. It should be returned to Assyria immediately.	Canuckistanian	Jun 2012	#19
How did the museum come to know that this guy had it?	Wabbajack_	Jun 2012	#8
How they knew is immaterial. What is material is if the item was stolen from the museam then it	cstanleytech	Jun 2012	#9
Why wasn't it their business?	marble falls	Jun 2012	#12
Cause it's not	Wabbajack_	Jun 2012	#89
situational ethics?	marble falls	Jun 2012	#91
So what are you hiding in your closet	snooper2	Jun 2012	#16
The family wanted a price check and called the museum.	Confusious	Jun 2012	#49
So, all the talk about "sentiment" and "surviving" was just about money?	boppers	Jun 2012	#56
If I were the family, I'd pull a PR stunt that would probably get them in the good graces of	zbdent	Jun 2012	#10
There was no iraq at the time it was discovered	Confusious	Jun 2012	#37
Property uber alles.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#55
What a blowhard!	MjolnirTime	Jun 2012	#59
Why this tablet should be returned.	Assyriologisticks	Jun 2012	#15
Thanks for enlightening us..	virgdem	Jun 2012	#17
Wow...excellent background info.	dixiegrrrrl	Jun 2012	#18
Thanks for the very informative post and welcome to DU....	xocet	Jun 2012	#20
Much appreciated.	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#21
Welcome to DU	lunatica	Jun 2012	#23
Thanks but I see a hink in the court ruling	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#26
Actual Opinion	happyslug	Jun 2012	#92
Why does the first world get to decide who is stable enough to return mational treasures or have ...	marble falls	Jun 2012	#29
The problem is	Confusious	Jun 2012	#36
This was an INHERITANCE case, the court had to decide who gets the tablet	happyslug	Jun 2012	#95
great info!	frylock	Jun 2012	#31
Very well put, thank you for such a well written post! now for my 2 cents in response to subject.	AmericanGI	Jun 2012	#58
uh oh, looks like we have another Nazi appeaser in the house!	MjolnirTime	Jun 2012	#60
You win the thread! Welcome to DU.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#62
Beautiful first post!	Xipe Totec	Jun 2012	#77
I agree that the issue of his being a Holocaust survivor is irrelevant to the case.	Prometheus Bound	Jun 2012	#90
See my post below for the actual opinion of the Court	happyslug	Jun 2012	#94
Interesting case will be awaiting the final outcome	azurnoir	Jun 2012	#25
Why wouldn't they have to return it? It never belonged to them. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Jun 2012	#61
It never truly belonged to the Germans or the Ottomans, either.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#74
So do you want the Daughter or the Son to get the tablet????	happyslug	Jun 2012	#93
I don't care which of them gets it.	Ken Burch	Jun 2012	#96
Under US Law, theft NEVER gives good title	happyslug	Jun 2012	#98
They should probably just cut it into three pieces.	bluedigger	Jun 2012	#97

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