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In the discussion thread: Obama says Vietnam veterans too often 'denigrated' [View all]

Wed May 30, 2012, 12:06 PM

35. I think all Vietnam vets (except maybe Westmoreland and Abrams) were victims of the

imperial hubris of their leaders.

I had the great fortune to meet and talk with Ron Kovic at Occupy Los Angeles last November (before the raid), and he told me that the number of Vietnam and other vets with unseen wounds far exceeds those like him with visible wounds.

Daniel Ellsberg said that the Vietnam War will not be over until we erect a monument in D.C. to those who resisted it. I think this thread illustrates the truth of that idea. Maybe also a monument to the large numbers of dead and wounded Asians might be appropriate too.

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78 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama says Vietnam veterans too often 'denigrated' [View all]	Omaha Steve	May 2012	OP
Look for a Teahadist to claim	zbdent	May 2012	#1
He is right but that war was still wrong.n/t	hrmjustin	May 2012	#2
it's not up to those that serve to decide that	DrDan	May 2012	#3
Those that returned individually were often targeted at airports by groups that past judgment	may3rd	May 2012	#11
Coming through SFO in 69	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#14
I call bullshit on both of you....	Bigmack	May 2012	#19
You are wrong. That book doesn't prove it didn't happen and the author said so to me on the	upaloopa	May 2012	#22
Call bullshit all you want	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#27
I had always thought the stories of returning soliders being maligned (called names or	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#34
I really don't think it happened that often	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#38
How did the WW-II vets treat you?	ieoeja	May 2012	#50
They treated us decently.	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#56
It's still happening	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#37
I hereby challenge you to provide one link to a post at DU that	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#39
Only ONE post?	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#42
You know something? Citing your own flame-bait OP and responses to it	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#44
So, I provide the proof yet an OP meant to honor the troops is "flamebait"	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#48
Absolutely right!	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#29
Absolutely wrong	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#31
Why do you want me or anyone else to believe you?	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#32
You misunderstand me	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#36
1969, huh?	Art_from_Ark	May 2012	#75
Wow, I hadn't thought of that	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#76
Excuse me, but the "spitting on" or "spitting at" did happen to many. And I think it	humblebum	May 2012	#46
So, I take it you were following both of those two DU posters around in real life to be able to say	apocalypsehow	May 2012	#52
I sincerely thank you	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#57
I appreciate. Bullshit like what that poster is peddling needs to be called out, and I have done so	apocalypsehow	May 2012	#60
Read the book...	Bigmack	May 2012	#58
I have read it sport, and it's mostly bullshit. For starters, GI's coming straight from combat zones	apocalypsehow	May 2012	#59
Amazing ain't it	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#63
I put it in quotes... and I earned the fucking right to call bullshit. nt	Bigmack	May 2012	#65
So putting it in quotes makes it fact?	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#68
Putting it in quotes makes it not plagiarism. And...Yup... I earned that right! nt	Bigmack	May 2012	#69
Even there he's not being honest: he did not cite his quote, and spent 2/3rd's of his reply typing	apocalypsehow	May 2012	#71
I ain't reading no book	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#62
"I ain't reading no book"... says a lot. ....	Bigmack	May 2012	#66
How did I respond	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#67
"Why would I take shit from a civillian? Because he's not calling Vets. liars"	ieoeja	May 2012	#70
Once again	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#74
Don't bother with the book - it's largely a mass of opinons, and not much substantiation. I believe	apocalypsehow	May 2012	#72
This Kid	RobinA	May 2012	#61
I don't think it was a widespread problem	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#64
This message was self-deleted by its author	humblebum	May 2012	#41
I think you replied to the wrong post.	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#43
My apologies.nt	humblebum	May 2012	#45
No problem.nt	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#47
you missed my point	DrDan	May 2012	#20
Honour them...	Brooklyn Dame	May 2012	#4
More than lip service needed	LiveNudePolitics	May 2012	#5
As a Vietnam vet I say thats nice but I really don't care about a lost reception decades ago.	HereSince1628	May 2012	#6
From an AP story today (just posted it), this fact jumped out - "230,000 new claims from Vietnam	sad sally	May 2012	#16
my brother in law is in his last few months of his life	madrchsod	May 2012	#18
denigrated most by leaders who sent them off to die in the first place	Alamuti Lotus	May 2012	#7
+1.	bemildred	May 2012	#8
Sly Stalone, a Rambo pretend vet who pretended to have been spat upon so he could be a victim	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#9
Thanks for your story, it needs to be heard.	freshwest	May 2012	#10
many people dodged the draft in various ways	may3rd	May 2012	#12
I don't mind draft-dogers. But draft-dodging chicken-hawks gets to me.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#13
The controversy about Bush is the '72 and '73 period when he was in Alabama.	former9thward	May 2012	#15
"McCain did not crash five planes"? Another good story ruined by the facts.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#17
Yup. The Admiral's son only lost 3 jets. The other two don't qualify.	ieoeja	May 2012	#51
He's probably the only one who crashed a plane in flight school and still be allowed to fly.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#55
There weren't that many actual "draft dodgers." In the sense of being drafted and then finding a	yellowcanine	May 2012	#73
I wonder when you came home and where. I was treated like shit when I came home in 1968.	upaloopa	May 2012	#23
Others have had experiences similar to both of ours.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#24
Well the people who wrote the books weren't there.	upaloopa	May 2012	#26
For claification, the similar experience = some say that it happened while others not only say	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#30
Well I am not trying to convince you of anything or make you say anything you don't want to	upaloopa	May 2012	#33
Thank You	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#40
Sorry to be extending this out but I always wanted to say this. I seems real funny to me that	upaloopa	May 2012	#49
Bartender told great stories about his service in Vietnam and as a Chicago cop.	ieoeja	May 2012	#53
There's so many fakers. Some are better than others.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#54
I came through SFO in 69 from my first tour when a bunch	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#28
I think all Vietnam vets (except maybe Westmoreland and Abrams) were victims of the	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#35
rewriting history.	GeorgeGist	May 2012	#21
K&R	mollerjay	May 2012	#25
When I returned in 68	The Wizard	May 2012	#77
Well said	SGMRTDARMY	May 2012	#78

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