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In the discussion thread: Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts [View all]

Tue May 22, 2012, 07:04 PM

4. Eyewtiness testimony is notoriously unreliable

The public thinks its the best you can get, but in reality it's the worst. People lie, change their stories, get confused, get manipulated all the time.

The reality is this folks: He has the blood on the back of his head. He will never get convicted of 2nd degree murder.

That being said, the prosecutor over-charged. Had the charge been manslaughter on the premise that Zimmerman provoked the confrontation, there would be a much better chance of conviction.

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72 replies	Author	Time	Post
Several George Zimmerman witnesses change their accounts [View all]	hue	May 2012	OP
The police really fucked up on this one	lunatica	May 2012	#1
I'd have trouble convicting on evidence this screwed up	Recursion	May 2012	#2
Fucked up?	KamaAina	May 2012	#3
the police didn't fuck up at all	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#23
So why did witnesses get questioned weeks later instead of right away?	lunatica	May 2012	#44
From the article	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#61
Eyewtiness testimony is notoriously unreliable	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#4
That 'blood on the head' evidence is highly suspect	Boabab	May 2012	#7
I disagree	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#8
How you beat that...	bl968	May 2012	#9
easy	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#11
No. If he decided to kill Martin, it would have been 1st degree murder.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#15
I'm sorry	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#16
First degree murder is premeditated	starroute	May 2012	#24
for that	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#26
the testimony of the girlfriend establishes	SemperEadem	May 2012	#48
Does it?	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#49
yes... what reason would she have had to lie?	SemperEadem	May 2012	#51
I'm not saying she was lying	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#53
then educate yourself	SemperEadem	May 2012	#63
Hearing an altercation is not the same as knowing who started it	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#68
nice try.	SemperEadem	May 2012	#71
Not being able to counter a point -- a legitmate point -- and name-calling won't hold up in court	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#72
So I'm lying...	SemperEadem	May 2012	#64
In the real world, you don't get to make up your own definitions for the law.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#27
yeah i was wrong,	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#28
Premeditated?	brush	May 2012	#40
No, he was not the neighborhood watch guy, he just said that he was	Dragonfli	May 2012	#33
blood on the back of his head is meaningless	SemperEadem	May 2012	#47
The initial "blood on the back of the head" are were taken by a phone that time	24601	May 2012	#52
What's your definition of long after?	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#65
Zimmerman MIGHT be, based on FLORIDA's Definition of Murder	happyslug	May 2012	#56
Carrying a loaded weapon into a planned illegal confrontation + death in said confrontation =	kestrel91316	May 2012	#10
I disagree	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#13
"Intent" has nothing to do with depraved indifference	Boabab	May 2012	#20
He wasn't depraved indifferent	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#21
He was never part of any neighborhood watch! Everyone knows that but FOX news by now. jeez. /nt	Dragonfli	May 2012	#34
Intent	brush	May 2012	#41
I was prepared to discount every one of your assertions ....	marble falls	May 2012	#54
He won't have any assets	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#62
My thought exactly. There's going to be an incomplete and unsatisfying justice here in the end....	marble falls	May 2012	#66
If I'm not mistaken (and that's a big "if")	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#69
I hope the jury goes for justice and is instructed in alterante charges if 2nd ....	marble falls	May 2012	#70
There should have NEVER been a confrontation. He stalked a kid merely because of skin color.	lookingfortruth	May 2012	#12
sorry, you don't know the law	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#14
The dispatcher suggested that he not follow the suspect.	Selatius	May 2012	#46
Right	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#50
Pre-formed intent to kill isn't required for second-degree murder.	TheWraith	May 2012	#25
intent to kill is murder in first degree	magical thyme	May 2012	#31
Wanna-be cop dickhead	brush	May 2012	#39
You're assuming that Zimmerman would have done the same thing without a gun	lunatica	May 2012	#45
Actually...	Chan790	May 2012	#59
I doubt any of it would have happened had Zimmerman been unarmed.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#67
I've seen that picture. Finally found info on when it was supposed to have been taken.	uppityperson	May 2012	#17
And the worst part about that is, we execute folks based on eye witness testimony in their convictio	lonestarnot	May 2012	#35
I have to agree with you about the prosecutor overcharging.	JoeyT	May 2012	#43
Not necessarily as it relates to 2nd degree murder.	Tommy_Carcetti	May 2012	#57
Eyewitness testimonry is unreliable but is convincing to juries.	byeya	May 2012	#60
More FL law enforcement efficiency on display	Boabab	May 2012	#5
purposely fucked up	fascisthunter	May 2012	#6
Well, that really clears things up	slackmaster	May 2012	#18
if they can change their stories	grok	May 2012	#19
reading the story in the article	naaman fletcher	May 2012	#22
No aquittal	brush	May 2012	#42
Zimmermania should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter ...	bayareaboy	May 2012	#29
MURDER suspect zimmerman to be arraigned on May 29, 2012	solarman350	May 2012	#30
Some people appear to have forgotten the charge is murder, if only in the second degree.	freshwest	May 2012	#32
Many also appear to believe the FOX news fantasy that he was a member of some neighborhood watch	Dragonfli	May 2012	#36
There's a thread about him harassing his co-workers at another job. I answered to the person who I	freshwest	May 2012	#37
The Prosecutor's default/fallback conviction goal for this case is Manslaughter	solarman350	May 2012	#38
It would have to be voluntary, unless Zimmerman somehow claims his gun accidently went off.	Tommy_Carcetti	May 2012	#58
Here is Florida's Murder Statute	happyslug	May 2012	#55

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