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yellowcanine

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49. He didn't. He went where the crowd was. He got "lucky". There is a certain amount of "luck" in
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:53 PM
Apr 2012

most crimes, including attempted political assassinations. For example, Arthur Bremer really wanted to assassinate Nixon in 1972 but he switched to Wallace because it appeared to be an easier proposition. And then he missed his chance to get close to Wallace in Wheaton MD because it was an unfriendly crowd and Wallace opted not to shake hands after his speech. But the crowd in Laurel MD was a little friendlier and Wallace shook hands afterward, giving Bremer his chance. And if it had been raining in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963 as it had been in Ft Worth where JFK attended a luncheon just before the short flight to Dallas, the bubble top of the limo would have been up and Oswald would have missed his chance. And of course the Lincoln assassination hinged on several "lucky breaks" for Booth - the decision by Lincoln and his wife to attend the theater that night even though General Grant begged off going with him and Lincoln's wife almost persuading him not to go because she had a headache. Sec of War Stanton also weighed in against Lincoln going to the theater that night and Lincoln dismissed the offer of his body guard William Crook to accompany them to the theater. And then there was the inattentive guard who abandoned his post outside the theater box door to go across the street to a saloon and get a drink.

Wasn't his assassination recorded by TV cameras? Renew Deal Apr 2012 #1
It occurred after he gave his speech and went back into the kitchen. RDANGELO Apr 2012 #2
No, it wasn't starroute Apr 2012 #3
Camera wasn't on him at the moment of the shootings in the kitchen pantry leveymg Apr 2012 #4
8 shots vs. 12-14 shots Enrique Apr 2012 #5
It's been long supected. I admire her courage, considering the probability of our Vidar Apr 2012 #6
Sirhan is the patsy Underwear bummer Apr 2012 #9
got a link naaman fletcher Apr 2012 #10
It's referenced at the Wiki leveymg Apr 2012 #16
You got it right. zeemike Apr 2012 #25
Thanks for your reply. Underwear bummer May 2012 #71
And I understand why it is put in the dungeon... zeemike May 2012 #73
Thank you Zeemike Underwear bummer May 2012 #78
I don't think they have any choice. zeemike May 2012 #82
No, the woman in the polka dot dress was to relax him before the murder was to happen snooper2 Apr 2012 #51
You are so right goclark May 2012 #89
of course marshall gaines Apr 2012 #7
There are many books on the RFK assassination that OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #8
I'm not sure Pres. Obama ever was an outsider... polichick Apr 2012 #12
Not so sure. jaded_old_cynic Apr 2012 #14
I don't put anything past them either. It's possible that they dictated... polichick Apr 2012 #15
You might be right. Either way, it is not a point I feel it is useful to argue. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #17
Lets not get overwhelmed here kenfrequed May 2012 #88
Every time I read about these assassinations Tumbulu Apr 2012 #11
I'm with you - it's so depressing and often seems hopeless. These words help: polichick Apr 2012 #13
wow, beautiful, thank you for that (nt) Tumbulu Apr 2012 #20
You're very welcome. :) polichick Apr 2012 #23
That is one among many of his uplifting words. Thanks for bringing it here. He said that in the face freshwest Apr 2012 #42
In the U.S., maybe "only the good die young" should be tweaked: polichick Apr 2012 #47
Whereas the Koches, Kissingers, Cheneys toddle on forever. But that's international. And many young freshwest Apr 2012 #52
You are right freshwest goclark Apr 2012 #53
Article in Salon... deurbano Apr 2012 #18
My BIL served as a medic in Vietnam. Archae Apr 2012 #19
why in the world would you think anyone is "selling" a conspiracy theory? Tumbulu Apr 2012 #21
They are selling it. Archae Apr 2012 #22
You like everything clean and simple, don't you. former9thward Apr 2012 #28
Well they have sold you on the idea that they always tell us the truth zeemike Apr 2012 #31
In his book "Coroner" Thomas Noguchi who performed the autopsy on RFK said dflprincess Apr 2012 #58
Yes it was Ter May 2012 #66
Were the bullets ever tested to see if they came from the same gun? n/t A Simple Game Apr 2012 #24
"If a gun only holds 8 bullets and 14 were found..." Except that is not what is alleged. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #26
Exactly. People who think this is simple have probably never fired a gun. TheWraith Apr 2012 #27
There were more bullet holes found in the kitchen than shots in Sirhan's gun. former9thward Apr 2012 #29
I always see claims like this, but I never see actual evidence. TheWraith Apr 2012 #33
Exactly. Archae Apr 2012 #34
How did Sirhan know he was going to be in the kitchen? former9thward Apr 2012 #36
Change of plan was announced to press corps. RFK on his way to press briefing leveymg Apr 2012 #38
That does not explain how Sirhan knew he would be in the kitchen. former9thward Apr 2012 #41
One has to go through the pantry area to get to the press briefing room. Diagram> leveymg Apr 2012 #46
No his aides testified that he was going to go through the Ballroom to the Colonial room. former9thward Apr 2012 #56
There was a change of plans by Dutton and announced to the press. leveymg Apr 2012 #60
He didn't. He went where the crowd was. He got "lucky". There is a certain amount of "luck" in yellowcanine Apr 2012 #49
No according to testimony he was in the kitchen. former9thward Apr 2012 #55
Well there was a crowd there all right - or at least near by. JFK "route change" is a myth. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #59
Such good luck Oswald had! former9thward May 2012 #75
Or maybe it was a typical route for political motorcades. yellowcanine May 2012 #79
So now Oswald knew JFK would be riding by his window former9thward May 2012 #80
Actually not that tortured. First of all, we don't know when Oswald decided to kill Kennedy. yellowcanine May 2012 #81
Don't forget Gavrilo Princip and Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914 RZM May 2012 #77
Additional shots detected by modern audio analysis software - not available 40 yrs ago leveymg Apr 2012 #39
"several shots went off almost simultaneously." That sounds like echos. happyslug Apr 2012 #62
Are you a professional sound analyst? These guys are - do you think they don't know that? leveymg May 2012 #72
We often rely on second-hand, anecdotal evidence to better validate our opinions LanternWaste Apr 2012 #30
Because it's just SOOOOO difficult to shoot someone... Archae Apr 2012 #32
Actually it is fairly difficult to assassinate a political figure. See my other post. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #50
Exactly. I have talked with Secret Service alumns that said the same thing. grantcart Apr 2012 #40
I've Never RobinA Apr 2012 #45
Yes there can be reverberations and echos which confuse a listener. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #61
That's What I Was Wondering, Too On the Road May 2012 #83
That's creepy. OzMosis Apr 2012 #35
Ace Security guard Thane Eugene Cesar Killed RFK solarman350 Apr 2012 #37
Interesting. Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #43
No, not at the time. He later claimed to have sold his .22 before the shooting, but investigators leveymg Apr 2012 #48
I have seen pictures that show a tie laying next to Robert after he is shot AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2012 #54
Thanks you upi402 May 2012 #69
The door frame was removed NewYorkerfromMass May 2012 #87
My heart tighens remembering that day. I remember Rosey Grier remarks at the time, but can only find freshwest Apr 2012 #44
RFK would NOT have won the nomination, LBJ already had full controlled of who was to be the nominee happyslug May 2012 #63
Yet JFK beat Johnson and others in the primary in 1960. And.. freshwest May 2012 #64
Thanks for the link to the RFK Jr. post LongTomH May 2012 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo Apr 2012 #57
A 10 year old knows it's MK-ULTRA Ter May 2012 #65
place wingzeroday May 2012 #67
Just saw this story upi402 May 2012 #68
Prof. Philip H. Melanson pioneered the research on RFK assassination... Octafish May 2012 #74
I bought the book on your recommend upi402 May 2012 #91
Heard RFK speak @ College gym up state NY Oct 67 FogerRox May 2012 #70
I was in HS when RFK was shot newspeak May 2012 #76
I share your observations Tumbulu May 2012 #86
Kicking n/t Hotler May 2012 #85
I've actually been in the kitchen where he was shot. Kablooie May 2012 #90
George Herbert Walker Bush. sarcasmo May 2012 #92
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