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Chaos. elleng Jul 2012 #1
Yup. When your heart rate races past 125bpm, all logic goes out the window. Zalatix Jul 2012 #17
and there's no way one could reasonably focus, elleng Jul 2012 #25
How would you know if the gunfire DocMac Jul 2012 #29
You obviously haven't watched enough movies. Zalatix Jul 2012 #31
I love movies. I can't remember the name, DocMac Jul 2012 #39
The movie was, "Reservoir Dogs." Fawke Em Jul 2012 #153
That's it. thanks. nt DocMac Jul 2012 #166
Would have no idea. elleng Jul 2012 #34
The situation wouldn't be better if it was DocMac Jul 2012 #40
Note to self...possible bumper sticker: DocMac Jul 2012 #43
Yes, difficult under any circumstances. elleng Jul 2012 #55
These people didn't freeze up GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #93
I didn't need to watch the videos. DocMac Jul 2012 #102
Yet you said: GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #119
+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #112
The shooter was dressed up like a SWAT, so people would be shooting other people with guns. kemah Jul 2012 #136
Crossfire in the dark aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2012 #46
Yep. GreenPartyVoter Jul 2012 #110
And your hypothetical scenario happens... how often? PavePusher Jul 2012 #2
Most lawfully armed people aren't trained for situations like this... cynatnite Jul 2012 #4
I ask again for cites to evidence, please. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #52
No one is saying it happens. But in the aftermath of a mass shooting, Chorophyll Jul 2012 #64
But there are examples of a private citizen stopping something like this 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #83
Two of those examples are off-duty cops. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #99
Not multiple, but one Confusious Jul 2012 #6
I live in Tucson as well. PavePusher Jul 2012 #53
So his firearm didn't help in any way? yardwork Jul 2012 #65
Sure can Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #86
But... AynRandCollectedSS Jul 2012 #92
Jeanne Assam had some police training Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #97
She wasn't an untrained bystander, though. She was a church usher with a gun. yardwork Jul 2012 #124
What constitutes "training" to you? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #129
You are certainly an expert with years of training and experience in firearms. yardwork Jul 2012 #131
You missed the point Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #133
I'd say that we are both right. yardwork Jul 2012 #134
It has happened several times. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #88
That's helpful info. Thank you. yardwork Jul 2012 #123
Nearly all mass shootings are stopped by people with firearms. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #94
Klebold and Harris at Columbine committed suicide. They weren't stopped by anybody but themselves. yardwork Jul 2012 #122
Lots of these kinds of people commit suicide - after the police show up with guns. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #125
That's not what happened at Columbine, though. yardwork Jul 2012 #130
Yes it is - Klebold and Harris killed themselves after they police arrived and they had no escape. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #150
When you say 'stopped by people with firearms', you are talking about the police right? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #141
VT was a gun-free zone. CCWers were not allowed to have guns there. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #148
What I see is how easily both of them were able to obtain weapons sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #161
Your belief that you can keep dangeous stuff away from people is very naive. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #165
Police or civilian makes no difference - it's the gun that makes the difference. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #149
So that list you made showing how 'guns stopped mass killings' was mostly sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #160
As I said. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #163
It happens frequently in the fantasies of right wing lunatics. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #12
49 states have some CHL law, millions of permits have been issued 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #36
I keep trying to get a presentation of evidence.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #54
Pretty much 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #74
We had a case here near us at the state park. It was at a family picnic area pnwmom Jul 2012 #71
Citation, please? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #142
Here's one. This article doesn't mention it, but the guy who fired pnwmom Jul 2012 #143
Sounds more like gang rivalry to me. PavePusher Jul 2012 #167
The adults involved were in their thirties, and they were picnicking with their children. pnwmom Jul 2012 #168
I don't think gang rivalry is much of a stretch at all. PavePusher Jul 2012 #169
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2012 #95
It has happened several times. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #147
Watch the firefight scene in "Platoon" (or the beach landing scene in "Saving coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #3
And those are relevent to a crime in progress.... how, exactly? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #56
I've never been in armed combat and cannot say this from coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #91
Self-defense shootings do NOT resemble a combat firefight. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #152
So I guess the personal testimony of PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #154
So you make a personal attack instead of discussing the post? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #156
No matter how you try to spin it, the situation in Aurora could not coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #159
I have already posted, in another thread, that a CCWer at that movie wouldn't have been able to help GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #164
Ew. Death porn. Gross. Iggo Jul 2012 #155
Reality. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #157
Yep. Iggo Jul 2012 #158
More people would have been dead Marrah_G Jul 2012 #5
Can you imagine the chaos in a Roman battle? DocMac Jul 2012 #90
Then fewer would have died and fewer injured. Zax2me Jul 2012 #7
The gunman was wearing body armor ... are the other armed people you imagine also wearing ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #16
Exactly what I was thinking. randome Jul 2012 #19
Exactly. The wild wild west folks don't seem to get this. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #21
Even if a round doen't penetrate the "armor" (and it's really only armor if plates are installed)... PavePusher Jul 2012 #57
Really? bongbong Jul 2012 #111
As I understand the reports, this shooter had only a normal torso vest. PavePusher Jul 2012 #115
LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #135
Meaning that information is still being developed and may/will change over time. PavePusher Jul 2012 #137
What spin! bongbong Jul 2012 #138
Body armor doesn't do what I suspect you might think it does. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #120
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! Zoeisright Jul 2012 #105
Also add to that Sound FX from the movie in surround sound slampoet Jul 2012 #8
Yeah. ananda Jul 2012 #9
It's called a "Polish Firing Squad" (apologies to Pol. They all make a circle and shoot each other. leveymg Jul 2012 #10
People call that a "circular firing squad". nt Gold Metal Flake Jul 2012 #33
Cite to evidence of occurances, please. n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #58
Who knows if anyone in the theater was armed hughee99 Jul 2012 #11
IMO it's very unlikely that nobody in the audience was carrying a weapon, be it an off-duty cop, slackmaster Jul 2012 #22
I don't know the demographics of the area, so I'm not sure how likely it is hughee99 Jul 2012 #37
Agreed. First the gun owner would have to sort out the chaos, then fight through teargas shadowrider Jul 2012 #151
Actually, it's extremely likely, since this theater bans firearms (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #63
A lot more people dead, and the gun crowd spinning, spinning, spinning. apocalypsehow Jul 2012 #13
Personally, Marinedem Jul 2012 #14
You also wearing body armor like the shooter was wearing? JoePhilly Jul 2012 #18
Your statement doesn't even make sense lunatica Jul 2012 #23
Way to miss the point. Marinedem Jul 2012 #51
No, first CCW'er shoots at the real shooter jeff47 Jul 2012 #62
OK. I see you never make sense lunatica Jul 2012 #121
In the confusion, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #15
Oh, NRA, NRA... Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #48
How many people in that theater actually were carrying licensed, concealed weapons? slackmaster Jul 2012 #20
Even Police miss their target edhopper Jul 2012 #24
What we don't know sarisataka Jul 2012 #26
How do you know there weren't? Tejas Jul 2012 #27
Probably a mistaken assumption that anyone who carries a concealed firearm is eager to use it slackmaster Jul 2012 #28
Correct, the Giffords shooter was subdued without gunplay by the CCW. Tejas Jul 2012 #30
What if, and stay with me here 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35
That depends on a few things. Tejas Jul 2012 #38
Multiple spare extended mags 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45
Well THAT presents a problem. Tejas Jul 2012 #50
Do shooters accumulate more Life Points based on hits scored? slackmaster Jul 2012 #73
Whoa, this isn't some kids game 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #84
Sorry, I haven't done much gaming since my son played Super Mario Brothers and DOOM in the '90s slackmaster Jul 2012 #98
Because this theater bans firearms. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #66
That would not surprise me. Do you have a source to verify that? slackmaster Jul 2012 #75
The sign on the door count? jeff47 Jul 2012 #77
Is it a No Smoking, No Flash Photos, No Food or Drinks, No Bare Feet, and No Firearms sign slackmaster Jul 2012 #81
Gun with a circle and a line through it, plus text. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #82
Thanks! Does CO state law require patrons to comply with such a sign, as they do in TX and AZ? slackmaster Jul 2012 #100
Hire your own lawyer. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #140
"3 years later" - you haven't been there in 3 years? Tejas Jul 2012 #104
Roughly. I moved. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #139
It's true, guns are useless in this scenario 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #32
how do you know ten people weren't armed? from what i read, most people didn't even get HiPointDem Jul 2012 #41
not just the "repukes" - plenty of support for that scenario right here DrDan Jul 2012 #42
Gun strokers are usually ready and eager to save the day. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #72
too many John Wayne movies DrDan Jul 2012 #76
safely seated in old movie theater. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #78
False premise. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #44
Then having them armed doesn't matter. jeff47 Jul 2012 #67
Panic can make people do some stupid things... cynatnite Jul 2012 #96
no, no, no! that's not the way the story goes! remember highlander? there can be only one! unblock Jul 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #49
Yes, just like what happens in every other defensive shooting. PavePusher Jul 2012 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #79
This is what a friend of mine just said to me. Even if it is a legal weapon, she said that lives Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #60
Not to mention it's dark and there's a huge screen with a loud movie on it. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #61
You beat me to it! TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #68
Yup. I'm pretty sure the majority of armed-citizen-heroes Chorophyll Jul 2012 #69
Weird... Jolly Jumper Jul 2012 #70
50 people would be dead now. nt valerief Jul 2012 #80
Then THANK GOODNESS there weren't 10 armed LEO's there. Tejas Jul 2012 #106
Hell, yes. They would have shot and tased everyone. 100 dead. nt valerief Jul 2012 #116
They've been shot dead or wounded, too. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #118
They picture this scene Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #85
this went on for 20 minutes maindawg Jul 2012 #87
How do you know rrneck Jul 2012 #89
See this sub-thread... slackmaster Jul 2012 #101
Ah. Now I'm learning. Thanks. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #103
Nobody knows. Tejas Jul 2012 #107
And there could have been the odd scofflaw I guess. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #108
you can't always know , even in war with trained military, there is "Friendly Fire" JI7 Jul 2012 #109
+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #114
North Hollywood shootout of 1997 rufus dog Jul 2012 #113
They saw the one guy come in. He stood there for a few secs, surveying the room. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #117
Here we go with that argument "if everyone had guns we would be safer" liberal N proud Jul 2012 #126
I'm pretty sure... regnaD kciN Jul 2012 #128
What about the notion that gun-free zones are inherently safer? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #162
The body count would be far, far less. DesMoinesDem Jul 2012 #127
dark theater, loud Carolina Jul 2012 #144
You would rather let a mass murderer shoot everyone in a theater DesMoinesDem Jul 2012 #146
The only one in the theater that was wearing Horse with no Name Jul 2012 #132
Exactly Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #145
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