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philly_bob

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31. Interesting.... Use of "discount rate" to rip off pensioners
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jul 2012

Thanks, blm. Learned something from your link.

"When accounting for a pension, a company selects a discount rate to price future liabilities. But companies are selecting higher and higher discount rate so they can set aside less and less money. You can completely alter your profit or loss simply by selecting a new number, and it’s all perfectly legal."


If I read the chart in the article below right, it works like this. Suppose a manufacturing company has to pay a hypothetical pension of $1,000/year. At a discount rate of 3%, the company would price that obligation at $33,000. At a discount rate of 20%, that obligation would be priced at $5,000. Since the pension payments are guaranteed by the government, what discount rate will the the manufacturing company choose?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/462411-discounted-cash-flow-what-discount-rate-to-use. Chart I use is under subheading "How much would you pay.
Thanks. K & R. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #1
Now you just have to figure out how to put that info on a bumper sticker Kalidurga Jul 2012 #2
I think someone could make a great 30 second video that independents would "get." spooky3 Jul 2012 #3
Look into all the other companies where he pulled this act, too. blm Jul 2012 #5
Someone can do a graphic that can be spread. blm Jul 2012 #6
Romney Shorted Employee Pensions and all I got... JHB Jul 2012 #15
Dine-n-Dash Republicans have taxpayers picking up the bills while they ship the looted cash overseas blm Jul 2012 #24
oh wow that's a good one nt Kalidurga Jul 2012 #28
Dn't even bother trying to get anything into the heads Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #26
EXACTLY - this is insurance fraud plain and simple - with US taxpayers dollar. blm Jul 2012 #27
K&R n/t Lugnut Jul 2012 #4
Yes, but do you know what the statute of limitations are for insurance fraud? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #7
Good to know. ; ) blm Jul 2012 #9
Don, can you make an OP about that and refer back to this thread? We need to spread this fast. blm Jul 2012 #10
This approach should be a BIG part of Dem's anti-rmoney approach. elleng Jul 2012 #17
K & R AzDar Jul 2012 #8
Oh goody, FREE STUFF. GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #11
They get access to free money, taxpayer ends up stuck with the tab for THEIR extravagant lifestyles blm Jul 2012 #29
Thank you Xyzse Jul 2012 #12
Don't know if HE pocketed any insurance money, but federal insurance money (OUR tax dollars) went blm Jul 2012 #13
My apologies Xyzse Jul 2012 #14
Although Xyzse Jul 2012 #22
I remember Wall Street documents from that time talking about "overfunded pension plans" philly_bob Jul 2012 #16
That turned out to be insurance fraud....time for payback. Pay back the taxpayers stuck with the tab blm Jul 2012 #18
philly...great article from 2005 lays it all out blm Jul 2012 #19
Interesting.... Use of "discount rate" to rip off pensioners philly_bob Jul 2012 #31
Republicans lie to themselves and to others, so often that they... Hubert Flottz Jul 2012 #20
taxpayers riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #21
''Right here in South Carolina... Octafish Jul 2012 #23
We need to get this bigger story out in front. blm Jul 2012 #25
All fraud is paid for by taxpayers. nt valerief Jul 2012 #30
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