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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
98. Finally
Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:17 AM
Jul 2012

Someone hit the nail on the head. Yes, it IS our sick society. There are other Countries with gun control laws - or a lack thereof, very similar to our own or even more open. The murder rate here still remains supreme, as far as I know.

In psychology, the use of anti-depressant and anti-anxiety medications commonly goes towards treating the symptoms. Someone with severe panic attacks or depression is given a prescription after what is usually a fairly brief meeting with a physician, whether psychiatrist or family practitioner. The follow ups aren't really necessary (other than as general check ups for medication refills) therapy is suggested, but rarely ever mandated. So the symptoms are treated with varying degrees of success, but the illness itself remains stagnant. This is an example of WHY someone might go on a shooting rampage. Yes it's terrible, yes it's sick.. so is our society.

If we want to improve things here in America, it needs to start from the bottom up. Screw the NRA in any event. If we can do something about poverty, if we can be more successful in treating illness and allowing others access to care... if we can somehow reclaim our media from the power mongers that have seized control of it... then maybe in the process we'll actually do something about crime, about murder, even about gun control.

Is it really hard to understand why things like this happen? Hey... you've depressed? Here's some Zoloft, give it about three weeks and if you don't start drooling in public, or suddenly become a homicidal maniac or drop dead... and if you see some improvement in your symptoms... well then, we'll know it's working!

Want to go hunting? Okay... here you go, AK 47 is definitely necessary for the hunting of deer. You want to whack a coyote with an elephant rifle? No problem!

It's not so much the lack of gun control, in itself. It's the lack of responsibility, the lack of forethought, the handing out of dangerous things without concern for the potential consequences. Our education is continuing to fail our youth - who is to blame for this is open for debate. Our health care system needs a make over, for all those lucky (or unlucky) enough to have access to it through insurance.

Our system of government is corrupt beyond all belief, our media is owned by the rich, for the rich and of the rich. We can fight about gun control until we're blue in the face, but if we can't start from the ground up, gun control would accomplish nothing more than to annoy people.

KNR joeybee12 Jul 2012 #1
Here they come Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #2
LOL! Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #91
Are you watching porn movies? nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #93
It could be a Gallagher show. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #164
Who's telling you that where? Curtland1015 Jul 2012 #3
Don't tell me "guns don't kill people". GarroHorus Jul 2012 #4
If assault weapons werent accessible to him, at least 10 less people would be dead scheming daemons Jul 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #6
Is the UK a police state? scheming daemons Jul 2012 #8
Only way to do that is repeal the second amendment GarroHorus Jul 2012 #11
Nope. Not even close. scheming daemons Jul 2012 #17
HAHAHAHAHAHAH! GarroHorus Jul 2012 #20
so you need a machine gun to hunt, skippy? spanone Jul 2012 #88
You don't have a fucking clue, do you? GarroHorus Jul 2012 #89
I have a clue Plucketeer Jul 2012 #113
WTF does your rant have to do with machine guns? GarroHorus Jul 2012 #114
Your "WTF" Plucketeer Jul 2012 #119
I took a billy goat down once, he chewed through the fucking rope my mom had him on snooper2 Jul 2012 #126
Repigs bongbong Jul 2012 #141
"Only way to do that is repeal the second amendment" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #104
Hehe, you are kidding right Dokkie Jul 2012 #100
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #102
So you're saying gun control = police state? Are you Joe the Plumber? DanTex Jul 2012 #10
Enforce the laws in place. n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13
Your NRA buddies dont even allow that scheming daemons Jul 2012 #19
I am not a member of the NRA GarroHorus Jul 2012 #22
Didnt say you were. I said they were your buddies. scheming daemons Jul 2012 #27
That's a blatant lie GarroHorus Jul 2012 #30
NRA sympathizer? morningfog Jul 2012 #61
Anti-gun grabbing GarroHorus Jul 2012 #65
I don't believe you on either of those. morningfog Jul 2012 #67
I don't believe it either - he must be LibGranny Jul 2012 #86
I agree with you Plucketeer Jul 2012 #132
So if we find out this guy used a legal gun.... Walk away Jul 2012 #31
If the guy had a legal gun, he had a legal right to it GarroHorus Jul 2012 #32
Guns have nothing to do with freedom. DanTex Jul 2012 #43
Exactly. 1gobluedem Jul 2012 #72
The rebels in Lybia and Syria seem to have missed your memo. PavePusher Jul 2012 #148
So - what, if anything, would you suggest be done to prevent things like this happening? whopis01 Jul 2012 #96
Existing laws are obviously grossly insufficient. intheflow Jul 2012 #85
No, he had no automatic weapons. PavePusher Jul 2012 #150
He was wearing protective gear: intheflow Jul 2012 #168
There are gun laws? secondvariety Jul 2012 #90
There's a sarcasm smilie for that type of post... PavePusher Jul 2012 #151
Yeah, that's exactly what he's saying Scootaloo Jul 2012 #26
Assault weapons are a problem. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #16
+1,000,000 highplainsdem Jul 2012 #39
The AR-15 is the most popular centerfire rifle in America. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #66
This. xmas74 Jul 2012 #83
"...the variety of weapons available for no good reason." PavePusher Jul 2012 #154
What weapons do you find acceptable? xmas74 Jul 2012 #162
One can hunt just fine (and I have done so) with AR- and AK-pattern rifles. PavePusher Jul 2012 #165
"assault weapons" are not a problem. PavePusher Jul 2012 #153
Oh piffle, we've already got a police state.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #21
I won't alert on this but to simply say "Wow! That was a stretch!" CTyankee Jul 2012 #44
I'm sure the military would join a police state Confusious Jul 2012 #52
We Don't Need to Have This Iggy Jul 2012 #64
I'm for gun rights, but I also think its worth noting that Saddam Hussein managed... D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #94
We've already got a police state. sulphurdunn Jul 2012 #111
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! Skittles Jul 2012 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author GarroHorus Jul 2012 #167
If you have a magic wand that can wish away the invention of the gun, be my guest. Curtland1015 Jul 2012 #12
+300,000,000 n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #14
Exactly. The Genie has left the bottle grahampuba Jul 2012 #82
Bad math. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #107
I'm curious whether you know what kind of guns he actually used... D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #118
You know, using the "eyes" smiley doesn't really seem very sensitive right now. Skinner Jul 2012 #7
You know, suggesting a gun grab doesn't seem very sensitive right now. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #9
You are an extremely effective advocate for your point of view. Skinner Jul 2012 #15
+1 mac56 Jul 2012 #23
Word... SaveAmerica Jul 2012 #25
Yeah, god forbid we talk about gun policy in the wake of a mass shooting! DanTex Jul 2012 #28
Bull fucking shit. Now is the very time to talk about it. morningfog Jul 2012 #63
Thankfully, the police grabbed his guns. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2012 #70
Must defend guns...must defend guns...while funerals are being planned. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #120
Must grab guns...must grab guns...while funerals are being planned. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #124
Just as long as no one dear to *you* is DEAD, it's all good, right? Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #131
Guns are for killing, at least knives are built to do other things. CreekDog Jul 2012 #18
What did the 911 hijackers use? And how many are dead? KurtNYC Jul 2012 #24
Box cutters have a non lethal usage. Guns dont. scheming daemons Jul 2012 #29
Then amend the constitution to repeal the 2nd amendment GarroHorus Jul 2012 #34
I don't think anyone here is named skippy... tnvoter Jul 2012 #41
It is the type of argument device they use when... scheming daemons Jul 2012 #45
i really like your take on that. barbtries Jul 2012 #50
Well yeah. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #109
Did some one call me? I hate my parents for naming me Skippy, gun nuts keep stalking me. Dragonfli Jul 2012 #133
There will be no need to amend the constitution. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #80
What's this 'skippy' business? At least twice in this thread. Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #128
Saying that mass murder can't/won't occur without guns is not true. KurtNYC Jul 2012 #46
Bombs are illegal, too. Zalatix Jul 2012 #152
Guns have lots of non-lethal purposes. PavePusher Jul 2012 #155
So I can still carry a box cutter thucythucy Jul 2012 #108
No guns were used by hijackers on 911. KurtNYC Jul 2012 #115
So you're in favor of banning box cutters and knives thucythucy Jul 2012 #123
He had four fugging guns including an AK47 rifle malaise Jul 2012 #33
That is the problem. Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #36
For hunting JonLP24 Jul 2012 #53
The vast majority of rifles used for hunting big game are more powerful than an AK-47. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #60
Do you think that it should be illegal to own four guns? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #51
There should be better safeguards in place DaveJ Jul 2012 #71
Do you consider four guns an "arsenal"? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #73
Sorry if my grammar is not good. DaveJ Jul 2012 #79
I'm not criticizing your grammar. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #87
Over a hundred guns is an arsenal, and a symptom of mental disease, ever been on hoarders? Dragonfli Jul 2012 #134
Let's assume for the moment that you don't think that gun collecting is in and of itself Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #136
I can't say what you need so many weapons for, I fear what you think you need to do with them Dragonfli Jul 2012 #138
I find them interesting to collect, and they're great investments. Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #145
Not scary as stated, you want to be a small time arms dealer, OK, if your customers are sane. Dragonfli Jul 2012 #146
Are you asserting that only hand crafted pieces of art worth the price of a car are worthy Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #147
My uncle gave me a WWII Japanese sniper rifle he got oversees when I was twelve Dragonfli Jul 2012 #158
Guns and the legal gun running done under the guise of Second Amendment rights Skidmore Jul 2012 #35
Exactly! Tennessee Gal Jul 2012 #38
100% correct malaise Jul 2012 #40
+1000 nt Javaman Jul 2012 #55
Couldn't the same be said if everyone carried a gun in the theater? Renew Deal Jul 2012 #37
There would be multiple dead before any of them were able to grab their weapon scheming daemons Jul 2012 #42
Cite to evidence please. PavePusher Jul 2012 #156
The 4 police armed police officers murdered last year, were shot to death before they could draw. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #160
We can start by taxing the hell out of ammo... Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #47
How many rounds of ammunition do you think citizens should be restricted to owning? Johnny Rico Jul 2012 #54
Chris Rock said it best... Javaman Jul 2012 #57
Thank you. The video of that routine is funny as hell... CTyankee Jul 2012 #68
LOL. Amen, Chris. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #75
Because someone planning on going out in a blaze of glory 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #142
thank you. barbtries Jul 2012 #48
Or... if THIS guy was in the theater, it would not have been nearly as bad... redroof Jul 2012 #49
No respose to this because they are weak and afraid RegieRocker Jul 2012 #74
Maybe yes, maybe no. The shooter was wearing a bullet proof vest thucythucy Jul 2012 #125
+1 Go Vols Jul 2012 #130
Of course guns kill people, that's why they were invented, and Brewinblue Jul 2012 #56
+1000 Right on! RC Jul 2012 #81
Wanna be in a militia? xmas74 Jul 2012 #92
Scalia Effectively Did Away With The Militia Matter...... Paladin Jul 2012 #95
Which was absolutely ridiculous. xmas74 Jul 2012 #144
BEENGO! Iggy Jul 2012 #58
Let's change the law whereby we can all carry 1 kiloton nukes. It not the nukes that kill people LiberalArkie Jul 2012 #59
I so very much agree with you. spartan61 Jul 2012 #62
Bollocks. Gun control is the left's equivalent of the right's anti-abortion insanity. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #69
Gun control is sanity. Anti-abortion is insanity. BTW, this is not a RW site. nt valerief Jul 2012 #77
I agree. NS2012 Jul 2012 #78
Um, no... Hissyspit Jul 2012 #106
Bingo! nt valerief Jul 2012 #76
And if this guy walked in with a bomb or two, MadHound Jul 2012 #84
Finally davidthegnome Jul 2012 #98
Realizing that it's a societal problem should lead us to more important decisions than gun regulatio reformist2 Jul 2012 #112
However, to continue your analogy - GaYellowDawg Jul 2012 #157
I agree it's about the guns. Guns kill because assholes fetishize them flamingdem Jul 2012 #97
Oh BS. Guns kill because a certain subset of disturbed people get them. D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #110
Guns kill because of social tolerance of gun loving, it's stylish and macho to have guns flamingdem Jul 2012 #116
Your pop psychology analysis doesn't merit much of a response beyond "citation needed" n/t D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #121
It's what I see everyday in the society I live in - now we see the results flamingdem Jul 2012 #122
Of course, and no one needs to take your assertions seriously. D23MIURG23 Jul 2012 #139
You are correct. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #99
Or a pipe bomb, or ricin, or etc., etc.,... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #101
What kind of gun did Timothy McVeigh use? Edweird Jul 2012 #103
Mass murder by other than gun: Remmah2 Jul 2012 #105
And if Aerows Jul 2012 #117
If he wanted to mass murder and couldn't get guns Mayflower1 Jul 2012 #127
Or only a meat thermometer... pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #129
Mentally ill people kill people. More affordable, accessible, non-stigmatic mental uppityperson Jul 2012 #135
Or he could've been loaded with explosives and killed even more. It isn't the gun, it's the shooter Lionessa Jul 2012 #137
Or if he had a car and fertilizer 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #140
Bottom line: The GOP and the 2nd amendment need to be destroyed BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #143
You are, of course, incorrect. PavePusher Jul 2012 #149
I call guns "weapons of fast destruction." progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #159
People kill people with guns. We don't know this guy's motivation yet but Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #161
95% of homicides scenes are single victim. krispos42 Jul 2012 #163
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