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49. He must be pretending to be crazy.

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:51 PM

Dec 2011

I'm thinking Glenn may not actually be deluded or addicted to meth, despite appearances. He may just be pandering to those who are.

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Greenwald: Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies [View all] Karmadillo Dec 2011 OP

There's no "context" that makes it okay to praise Ron Paul. TheWraith Dec 2011 #1

Because they're central to Greenwald's case, what complaints about Obama "are either Karmadillo Dec 2011 #3

Gosh, where to begin? TheWraith Dec 2011 #52

Proven because you say so? Maedhros Jul 2013 #155

Yes, all that you said. jaxx Dec 2011 #4

If you get a chance, then, could you respond to post #3? Thanks. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #6

The first 2 paragraphs cited in the OP say it all. jaxx Dec 2011 #38

The factual support makes the paragraphs very convincing. Are there, however, Karmadillo Dec 2011 #42

It's all contrived innuendo. jaxx Dec 2011 #54

It would help if you could point out one specific example that illustrates your point. He's Karmadillo Dec 2011 #65

give it up, they will never give you real 'facts' or even a well-reasoned logical argument stockholmer Jan 2012 #123

Make it real easy for people to understand. Rex Jan 2012 #141

It's nice to hear progressives support Obama. Robb Dec 2011 #2

What world is this guy living in, Obama has a 84% approval rating among Libs/Progressives FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #5

The point is valid but insufficient cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #7

Here's ProSense Dec 2011 #8

If the Publisher of the Nation has also praised Paul for favoring ending preemptive wars & AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #9

Do ProSense Dec 2011 #11

Is Obama horrible based on the actions cited by Greenwald? Karmadillo Dec 2011 #12

Are ProSense Dec 2011 #13

Are Karmadillo Dec 2011 #15

Why are we giving Greenwald a higher authority on these matters than the President? FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #20

I'm not giving him higher authority. He cited a number of heinous actions taken by Obama. Is Karmadillo Dec 2011 #23

But "bad" is in the eye of the beholder, he must be doing something right being he has an 84% approv FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #29

Why does that number never change? sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #63

Where did this "84% approval rating among Libs/Progressives" come from? If true, why AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #28

From a December 2011 Gallup poll. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #30

Are such polls accurate? Remember the poll in which "Dewey Beats Truman"? AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #57

I see. It's all about personalities and polls. eridani Dec 2011 #92

Can You Show Support Of Those Claims? ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #119

If you read the article, you'll see Karmadillo Jan 2012 #121

You Didn't Answer The Question ProfessorGAC Jan 2012 #136

Yes, I did. Let me help you. Karmadillo Jan 2012 #137

Paul is a Republican candidate for president. Greenwald is a political sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #22

He's ProSense Dec 2011 #31

You didn't answer my question. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #33

Hmmm? ProSense Dec 2011 #35

Good I would hate to think that such rules would even be contemplated. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #40

Wow ProSense Dec 2011 #45

I don't know what you are talking about. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #51

Well said. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #116

+1 MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #153

Do you agree with Greenwald that progressives find some of Ron Paul views "compelling and crucial"? joshcryer Dec 2011 #70

Yes. Some of his views are compelling and crucial. eridani Dec 2011 #94

Not if you dissect what his views really are, they aren't. joshcryer Dec 2011 #96

I don't care whether his opposition to the War on Some Drugs is sincere eridani Dec 2011 #99

No, I think he is completely sincere. I think he is using Libertarian double speak. joshcryer Dec 2011 #103

Paleocons usually object to the expense of war eridani Jan 2012 #107

That's why banana republic's and colonies usually employ local mercenaries. joshcryer Jan 2012 #108

In Iraq, mercenares get paid 30 times what soldiers do eridani Jan 2012 #111

This about Ron Paul's view on "war." joshcryer Jan 2012 #112

He is against an expensive imperial state eridani Jan 2012 #113

He's against tax paid imperialism, he's not anti-imperialist. joshcryer Jan 2012 #114

Name an empire that has ever survived without taxes n/t eridani Jan 2012 #115

The current empire exists without the paying of taxes. Offshore corporations... joshcryer Jan 2012 #142

So you are asserting that our military industrial complex is not paid for-- eridani Jan 2012 #144

The MIC is hardly responsible for empire. joshcryer Jan 2012 #145

Nonsense eridani Jan 2012 #146

Doesn't explain banana republics, juntas, and dictatorships we've supported over the decades. joshcryer Jan 2012 #147

Sure it does. Ever heard of the School of the Americas? n/t eridani Jan 2012 #149

Sure, connected to the Friendly Dictators. What makes you think mercenaries couldn't... joshcryer Jan 2012 #150

We have an empire, period. What else do you call 800+ military bases? eridani Jan 2012 #151

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that corpratism is tied to it irrevocibly. joshcryer Jan 2012 #152

Yes, he is correct that many progressives, cast aside by their own party, find some of his sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #105

Progressives that "agree" with Ron Paul's views don't know Ron Paul's views. joshcryer Jan 2012 #148

"Is he prone to rigid thinking and spin" suffragette Dec 2011 #43

Me neither, suffragette. This is what makes all these anti-Greenwald posts sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #64

I've noticed not much has been said about the Jeff Connaughton article Greenwald cited suffragette Jan 2012 #125

Well that tells you that his points cannot be refuted. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #135

Flawed logic should not be used by anyone except when it is used in an ironic way. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #25

Hmmm? ProSense Dec 2011 #32

Like opposing individual mandates and taxing benefits? Those sort of false positions meant TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #101

Buying local is a great idea, and if the KKK endorses it-- eridani Dec 2011 #90

He is simply deluded Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #10

Poor Glenn. Still likes RP even tho he's a huge homophobe. DevonRex Dec 2011 #14

Actually, the "simple-minded" stranger called him an "asshat" and misrepresented his position. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #16

Poor Glenn! He got called an asshat by a stranger on the net! DevonRex Dec 2011 #18

You should be happy he responded. The stranger got DU significant publicity. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #19

So you think Glenn is pretty significant then? BootinUp Dec 2011 #21

I think his reply regarding the "simple-minded" poster at DU will get us far more Karmadillo Dec 2011 #26

Come on dude--- trumad Dec 2011 #36

Just answering a question, dude. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #67

That's why other blogs have made a rule that members not use epithets in their sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #126

Glenn should be writing about Paul's vile homophobia. DevonRex Dec 2011 #24

Gay progressives can only write about the vile homophobia of conservatives? Maybe Karmadillo Dec 2011 #37

You'd think the "death for gays" thing just might have struck a chord. DevonRex Dec 2011 #53

He is one of those rare writers who does not allow his personal opinions to sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #127

He was accused of supporting Paul, that is misinformation and willfully so. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #59

LOL. DevonRex Dec 2011 #61

He likes some of Ron Paul's issue positions eridani Dec 2011 #91

Is Glenn still trying to perfect Shark Jumping? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BootinUp Dec 2011 #17

In what way is Greenwald jumping the shark? Karmadillo Dec 2011 #27

glen's trying out his ski new ramp and jetpack this time. dionysus Dec 2011 #41

If I am ever down in the dumps BootinUp Dec 2011 #48

He found a perfect example on DU of what he was saying about the sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #128

!!!!! This. Is. Awesome. Prism Dec 2011 #34

wow! Spazito Dec 2011 #39

You have a way with words BootinUp Dec 2011 #46

Thank you for your nice post! Spazito Dec 2011 #50

Well, to be fair, I did call him an asshat. MineralMan Dec 2011 #55

LOL! I was honestly gobsmacked when I saw the link to your thread... Spazito Dec 2011 #56

Obviously! Wow. You would think that someone that comports himself as such a wordly, Number23 Dec 2011 #71

It's unfortunate that you gave him that kind of fodder to use sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #129

While I appreciate your concern for me, MineralMan Jan 2012 #131

Well, I don't want to be rude, but my comment was not made out of concern for you. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #133

DU is not a blog. It is a discussion forum. MineralMan Jan 2012 #138

Definition of a Blog sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #140

How so? In what way is he endorsing Paul? I think we disagree on the definition of the word. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #60

If you do not see the evidence of endorsement of Ron Paul in this opinion piece... Spazito Dec 2011 #62

No, that would be supporting his positions in these areas which is not at all the same thing. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #79

If you would prefer to use the word "supporting" Ron Paul instead of... Spazito Dec 2011 #85

No, that is another distortion. I was clear that it is the positions being supported TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #109

Not a distortion at all... Spazito Jan 2012 #110

Recommended me b zola Dec 2011 #44

While I see what Greenwald is saying, Paul should be harshly rejected by all progressives Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #47

He must be pretending to be crazy. gulliver Dec 2011 #49

What about workers? TomClash Dec 2011 #58

Those issues are obvious, they do not disappear the points where the broken clock is correct TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #66

"Democrats are foolish to allow civil liberties to be owned by a bunch of anti-government zealots" Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #78

Most people don't post hundreds of forum posts and dozens of blog posts defending broken clocks. joshcryer Dec 2011 #84

Dear Glenngreenwald, aka, idiot. joshcryer Dec 2011 #68

Ah. But is a fact that he advocates those views. He may be insincere. It may be hollow Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #69

At least you concede that the views aren't the same and that Greenwald... joshcryer Dec 2011 #72

He's not defending anyone's campaign rhetoric... (Rolling on the ground laughing!) Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #75

He says that Ron Paul has views that are "compelling and crucial." joshcryer Dec 2011 #77

Yes. Candidate Paul does not flesh out the means but only the ends.(Rolling on the floor laughing.) Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #80

Ron Paul is not going to create "national dialog" on these issues. joshcryer Dec 2011 #81

GG defends that these issues are being brought up AT ALL. Rolling on the floor laughing. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #93

But they're not the same issues. joshcryer Dec 2011 #95

These things are all normal now: Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #98

But progressives are against those things. Meanwhile Paul would just expand them. joshcryer Dec 2011 #100

OK, I'm done kicking this thread. Done with Paul. He's done. joshcryer Dec 2011 #102

Proressives are. But only a few Democrats in government are. Rolling on the floor laughing! Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #104

+1 MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #154

Ad hominem attack on Greenwald aside TomClash Dec 2011 #73

I spent 30+ minutes dissecting Greewalds' views on Paul. joshcryer Dec 2011 #74

FYI: bvar22 Jan 2012 #120

What I wrote is what critics of Libertarianism have been writing for decades. joshcryer Jan 2012 #124

Naaa- Unhhhh! bvar22 Jan 2012 #139

So, you don't actually have a substantitive response? joshcryer Jan 2012 #143

Greenwald is not a libertarian. He does not support Paul. And he agrees with some of the issues Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #76

I don't find Paul's views compelling or crucial. joshcryer Dec 2011 #82

I do see the drug war as crucial. More racist than any ignorant Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #86

So you would agree with Ron Paul that no federal regulations should be made over drugs... joshcryer Dec 2011 #88

Nope. But candidate Paul conveniently leaves out the means and champions the ends. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #97

"But candidate Paul conveniently leaves out the means and champions the ends." cpwm17 Jan 2012 #118

Nothing is more racist than the Drug War. Thank you Luminous Animal. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #106

Except bombing brown people on the other side of the world cpwm17 Jan 2012 #117

Yes, absolutely. All our wars are racist a fact that little attention. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #130

He's got a point, muddied a bit by Paul's underlying craziness. On paper, Obama's taken positions DirkGently Dec 2011 #83

Captain, we've got an Irony Distortion Field dead ahead. nashville_brook Dec 2011 #87

Silence, traitor! Your pedestrian "warnings" destroy morale & insure our defeat! DirkGently Dec 2011 #89

powerful truth-speaking to power,regardless of the usual collaborators wailing & gnashing of teeth stockholmer Jan 2012 #122

For all the wailing and smearing, none of the collaborators even attempted to question the accuracy Karmadillo Jan 2012 #132

All on the front page of GD right now. Do you see the futility? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #134