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Fuck Ralph Nader. HappyMe Jul 2012 #1
Jeez--great minds, look below!! MADem Jul 2012 #3
Yeah. Except he's right. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #4
You left out a few words. TheWraith Jul 2012 #11
"the democrats should be landsliding the worst republican party russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #25
Because the Repigs Control the Tee Vee AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #204
you nailed it. It is the TV. Any Democrat that says anything rainy Jul 2012 #253
really? ret5hd Jul 2012 #529
republicans control tv? since when? capitalists control tv. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #558
"Landsliding", Indeed Iggy Jul 2012 #377
+1,000,000! The guy is a vote-suppressing, self-aggrandizing, noxious scold. MADem Jul 2012 #58
I'm sure he's done more for the American people than you have. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #172
Why isn't he helping now? Instead of just shooting his mouth off? He could be financially pnwmom Jul 2012 #201
+1,000,000! nt MADem Jul 2012 #206
If you really want to know what Nader is up to, mattclearing Jul 2012 #229
He doesn't ever support Dems; he criticizes them. And who does this benefit? The Rethugs. pnwmom Jul 2012 #232
He's even harder on Republicans than he is on Dems. mattclearing Jul 2012 #244
No one loves Wall Street more than Ralph--he has a very UNPROGRESSIVE stock portfolio. MADem Jul 2012 #237
Load of excrement? mattclearing Jul 2012 #243
Yes, a great big load of stinking, steaming excrement. MADem Jul 2012 #278
Condemning Nader for something Kerry did as well isn't particularly fair. mattclearing Jul 2012 #322
I am condemning Nader for herding idealists away from the Democratic ticket, to benefit his stock MADem Jul 2012 #323
You don't know me. mattclearing Jul 2012 #331
When a candidate has to fight a battle on TWO fronts, they have a harder time making gains. MADem Jul 2012 #333
"Took votes" mattclearing Jul 2012 #339
OK, fine, own this. MADem Jul 2012 #342
You could say the same things of most of the Dems in congress. mattclearing Jul 2012 #354
If you really want to do that, then start your own thread on the topic and have at it. MADem Jul 2012 #359
My only point here is that you don't subject anyone else to the same scrutiny/standards. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #369
If you want to talk about someone else, fire up a thread about them and let's have at it. MADem Jul 2012 #395
Nader didn't "take votes" from Gore Chisox08 Jul 2012 #423
Ah yes, "you knew some," so therefore your experience is controlling across the depth and breadth of MADem Jul 2012 #428
I never said that it applied to every Nader voter just the ones I knew Chisox08 Jul 2012 #436
So, it's anecdotal. It doesn't hold sway, then. nt MADem Jul 2012 #440
Saying every Nader voter would have voted for Gore just doesn't make sense Chisox08 Jul 2012 #466
No one has made that claim. nt MADem Jul 2012 #479
Why can't you admit that the Democratic ticket helped cause those idealists to go away Ken Burch Jul 2012 #465
No one is making anyone stay. If you don't like the party--leave. See if you can get a better MADem Jul 2012 #473
There was nothing for progressives in the Gore program in 2000 Ken Burch Jul 2012 #474
You keep replying twice to my posts. It's a bit annoying. MADem Jul 2012 #478
All "Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good" ever meant was Ken Burch Jul 2012 #481
Maybe that means that to you. Don't try to tell me what it means to me. MADem Jul 2012 #482
You assume that nobody tried working from within Ken Burch Jul 2012 #475
Name them. Everyone I've talked to -- and I mean face-to-face--talks a great game of complaints, MADem Jul 2012 #477
How many people have you talked to? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #480
Oh please. MADem Jul 2012 #484
Ralph wouldn't have won ANY votes in 2000 Ken Burch Jul 2012 #468
You keep replying more than once to a single post. Please stop doing that. nt MADem Jul 2012 #485
Sometimes it's necessary, when more than one point in your posts needs to be responded to. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #506
It's bothersome--better to edit your post instead of adding on. MADem Jul 2012 #509
I'll take your comment here under consideration. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #512
This isn't about Ralph's personal character. It's about the point he's making here Ken Burch Jul 2012 #467
Sorry, it IS about his personal character, because when you understand his personal character, you MADem Jul 2012 #472
Yup, grabbing their ankles whilst accepting the hot beef injection of Wall Street this is unreal. Jul 2012 #299
YES. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #385
You could say the same about Larry Flynt Major Nikon Jul 2012 #241
I adore larry Flynt. FarPoint Jul 2012 #259
Agreed. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #336
We're past 2000 now, for God's sake. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #456
Why doesn't Nader try to help the Dems beat the extremists? pnwmom Jul 2012 #200
Because he needs the spotlight and nobody will give it to him. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #378
We shouldn't reduce ourselves to just "beating the extremists" Ken Burch Jul 2012 #492
Only in a narrow sense. And he has done precious little to support the case against the yellowcanine Jul 2012 #417
Can we recognize his statement as correct? Zalatix Jul 2012 #165
No, we can't. We can recognize it as quite possibly ghost written by Karl Rove. MADem Jul 2012 #283
I for one would label the Blue Dogs as cowards. Or traitors. Zalatix Jul 2012 #338
They never talked like Nader and invested like Bush, though. Nadar did exactly that. nt MADem Jul 2012 #344
Right, they talk *and* invest like Bush. Marr Jul 2012 #358
So, you're saying "Bullshit the stooges with progressive talk/invest like a Republican" is better? MADem Jul 2012 #362
Will you stop calling everyone a Nader supporter, for Christ's sake? Marr Jul 2012 #400
Ralph Nader is not a politician. He's a tool of the GOP. Politicians win the occasional contest. MADem Jul 2012 #402
Ditto, HappyMe. Fuck Ralph Nader. catbyte Jul 2012 #426
It doesn't matter that's Ralph...what matters is that it's right. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #455
They're bound and determined to avoid learning this lesson, it doesn't fit their internal Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #463
Truth hurts Eddie Haskell Jul 2012 #501
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #526
Fuck Ralph Nader... MADem Jul 2012 #2
Oh that's right. zeemike Jul 2012 #49
To be fair to Pat Buchanan, he was the first person to sound the alarm and say that he KNEW that MADem Jul 2012 #54
Well your feelings are your own and you can blame him till you die. zeemike Jul 2012 #63
+1 nt freedom fighter jh Jul 2012 #77
Weak arguments need scapegoats to blame their failures on. 99Forever Jul 2012 #92
Not about his "right." He has every "right." It's all about his shitty, selfish JUDGMENT. nt MADem Jul 2012 #207
I don't argue with people that resort to... 99Forever Jul 2012 #246
You are dismissed? What MTV video or teen movie did you get that from? MADem Jul 2012 #273
LOL zappaman Jul 2012 #275
Ha ha ha! MADem Jul 2012 #279
I love watching old movies and recognizing future faces. zappaman Jul 2012 #284
My GAWD!!! That first film has an A List cast! MADem Jul 2012 #288
I love the DEVIL'S RAIN! zappaman Jul 2012 #292
I was in the Middle East and I'd never heard of it before today--it didn't make it over that way ... MADem Jul 2012 #295
And it's VERY satanic. zappaman Jul 2012 #296
The Mike Douglas Show!!!! MADem Jul 2012 #301
Well, we were just discussing Ernest Borgnine and now he is dead. zappaman Jul 2012 #352
Ha ha ha! Followed by a sob and some fond memories... MADem Jul 2012 #360
I will. For want of FL a Presidency was lost. nt MADem Jul 2012 #199
The Gore Apologists are Hilarious Iggy Jul 2012 #256
Yeah, what did happen, "Blogger?" MADem Jul 2012 #280
You've Got to Be Kidding Iggy Jul 2012 #375
Nader is a tool. MADem Jul 2012 #384
Gore won the election. So what exactly are you sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #107
I am blaming Nader for not putting the group before himself. MADem Jul 2012 #203
It Was Worse Than That, Nader Was Running a Spoiler Campaign ON PURPOSE AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #209
Gore pretty much spoiled it himself zappaman Jul 2012 #213
Didn't he take GOP money, as well? And wasn't there a GOP campaign to funnel money to him to keep MADem Jul 2012 #218
Why the focus on Nader, that is my question? We KNOW all the dirty tricks that sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #214
All true zappaman Jul 2012 #215
I did not know who Lieberman was back then. If I knew then what I know now sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #216
Lieberman was a principled moderate back then, with a gentler world-view. MADem Jul 2012 #220
Katherine Harris wasn't a self-proclaimed lefty. Nor was Rove. MADem Jul 2012 #217
Neither were the 300,000 Democrats who voted for Bush. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #219
It's not my job to tell a VOTER what to do. There are plenty of "Reagan Democrats" who have been MADem Jul 2012 #224
It wasn't Gore's job to win those votes MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #268
Ralph Nader took money from Republicans so that Republicans could defeat Democrats. MADem Jul 2012 #282
Clinton, Gore and Obama all took vast sums from bankers MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #388
Nadar was a big problem--he gave us President Bush, and I don't think we should EVER stop blaming MADem Jul 2012 #391
Lol, yes, of course. We must protect the third way at all costs. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #289
so much vitriol for nader, so little effort put into fighting bush's election theft. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #559
Thanks Sabrina 7wo7rees Jul 2012 #222
Your second image is a laugh riot....since Nader made his millions off of union-busting CISCO. nt MADem Jul 2012 #225
Yep a riot 7wo7rees Jul 2012 #231
And Raytheon...and McDonald's. Yeah, Ralph is a real "champion of the people." A con artist. nt MADem Jul 2012 #233
Theresa LePore was a Democrat PDittie Jul 2012 #153
That's a half truth. LaPore was a registered Republican BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #171
+1,000 nt MADem Jul 2012 #208
The butterfly ballot was dumb graphic design.... roseBudd Jul 2012 #258
Yes. That's the official explanation. I'm not buying it. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #271
One of the grandest conspiracy theories yet on this thread. PDittie Jul 2012 #350
Gore & Clinton & Newt Gingrich Gave Us NAFTA & China MFN: Republicans All Nativo13 Jul 2012 #190
As you are a newcomer here, I will invite your attention to the TOS. MADem Jul 2012 #197
TOS is the last refuge of a scoundrel.. frylock Jul 2012 #424
No it isn't--it's a friendly notice to someone who is new, so they don't get PPR'd. MADem Jul 2012 #427
I love how you are concerned with being fair to Pat Buchanan. Comical. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #337
What's comical is your insistence that Ralph Nader's POV is progressive, when his conduct and MADem Jul 2012 #345
I know the 2000 election like the back of my hand, mattclearing Jul 2012 #356
I do not think you do otherwise you wouldn't have made those remarks. MADem Jul 2012 #363
This is where hypocrisy comes into play. mattclearing Jul 2012 #370
Now you are proving that you don't know a thing about that election. MADem Jul 2012 #374
Fair enough. mattclearing Jul 2012 #376
With Al Gore, we knew what we were getting--a corporate (if not friendly, not unfriendly) Democrat. MADem Jul 2012 #381
Gore didn't even win his own home state, FFS. Is that Nader's fault too? The coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #84
and yet, without Tennessee, he managed to win the election Capn Sunshine Jul 2012 #212
It's amazing how some people forget that Al Gore won the presidential election. BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #234
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #527
Bush Junior was selected, not elected Nativo13 Jul 2012 #187
And Nader took away enough votes to make it be closer than it should have been. uppityperson Jul 2012 #188
Welcome to DU, Nativo13! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2012 #189
Thanks Nativo13 Jul 2012 #191
He was elected five to four, because Florida wasn't "clear." MADem Jul 2012 #205
well they cant stop fox from lying to the public so idk how they LET boner cand cantor peddle leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #5
He does have a point - we still have a DINO problem in the party. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #6
Do yu know how DINOs are like unicorns? GarroHorus Jul 2012 #16
??? sadbear Jul 2012 #100
Doubtful that the sarcasm tag was missed. mythology Jul 2012 #127
That is what we should take from this article. dtom67 Jul 2012 #20
EXACTLY....said for years they would bring us down Tippy Jul 2012 #57
And the truth is that when the public is polled on ISSUES sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #101
Don't worry -- Landreau is gone Sgent Jul 2012 #141
We don't have to nominate a right-wing Dem to win in Louisiana Ken Burch Jul 2012 #542
Bobby Jindal Sgent Jul 2012 #560
And the candidate nominated against him was undoubtedly the most right-wing Dem available Ken Burch Jul 2012 #561
Open primary Sgent Jul 2012 #565
What is the point of saying that? And are you blaming liberals for Jindal for some reason? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #567
Nader got the ball rolling when he assisted George Bush into the Presidency. pnwmom Jul 2012 #7
Bingo. TheWraith Jul 2012 #15
Not actually true. morningfog Jul 2012 #62
Yes, it's true. If all the miscast votes were allowed to stand, but the Nader voters pnwmom Jul 2012 #79
If all of the miscast votes for Buchanan had rightfully gone to Gore, Gore would have won morningfog Jul 2012 #85
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #88
So? That was a drop in the bucket compared to Nader's 95,000 votes, which he won by lying. pnwmom Jul 2012 #129
Here is my point for all the Nader haters. morningfog Jul 2012 #150
It isn't lazy to claim that. It's practical, common sense. Nader and many of his followers were pnwmom Jul 2012 #226
So, hate Nader, I have no problem with that. morningfog Jul 2012 #252
I don't give SCOTUS a free pass. What those 5 did was despicable. But that's what pnwmom Jul 2012 #293
He did nothing illegal. Katherine Harris purging black voters was a far greater offense. Selatius Jul 2012 #223
He LEGALLY helped Bush. Does that really make you feel better? That a so-called pnwmom Jul 2012 #228
A "progressive" who owned stock in Raytheon, McDonald's and union busting CISCO, for starters! MADem Jul 2012 #235
Nope. However, it was his constitutional right to run. Selatius Jul 2012 #458
Legally, yes. But he deliberately helped the Rethugs win the race. pnwmom Jul 2012 #459
With all due respect, I see no moral equivalence here. One intentionally disenfranchised thousands. Selatius Jul 2012 #469
This is a false premise. PDittie Jul 2012 #155
All Ralph had to do was endorse the Dem. MADem Jul 2012 #330
So you're mad at him for not endorsing? PDittie Jul 2012 #347
Ralph invested in war stocks, Walmart stocks, McDonald's stocks, Big Oil stocks, MADem Jul 2012 #365
Bullshit. That's nothing but an excuse. TheWraith Jul 2012 #95
So if Nader was only in it to get Bush elected, who was he trying to get A Simple Game Jul 2012 #118
Gore won the election so what is your point? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #120
BULLSHIT! Nader did not "single handedly" get Bush elected. Shame on you for morningfog Jul 2012 #149
Please see #153 above. PDittie Jul 2012 #156
It gets too complicated for some to process deutsey Jul 2012 #371
That's because Nader made it close enough to steal. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #494
I wish you hadn't mentioned Florida though hfojvt Jul 2012 #32
There could be said to be many deciding factors; but the only PROGRESSIVE who helped Bush pnwmom Jul 2012 #81
Correcting any of the other factors would have given the election to morningfog Jul 2012 #87
True. But the only PROGRESSIVE who could have made a significant difference pnwmom Jul 2012 #89
So, why place the blame on the "only progressive", when Harris and the SC were the morningfog Jul 2012 #151
Game. Set. And Match! bvar22 Jul 2012 #170
Because, in this situation, only the progressive can be said to have betrayed his own cause. pnwmom Jul 2012 #184
You're absolutely right... sunnystarr Jul 2012 #269
He is no progressive--he made sure the "winners" of the elections where he fouled the waters were MADem Jul 2012 #321
False. PDittie Jul 2012 #157
as my link points out hfojvt Jul 2012 #180
Yes it was the deciding factor. 95,000 votes versus 500. TheWraith Jul 2012 #97
I'll ask again, do you think Bush v. Gore was decided correctly? morningfog Jul 2012 #176
you apparently didn't read my link hfojvt Jul 2012 #178
300, 000 Democrats who voted for Bush. That's a hell a lot more than 95,000 sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #394
STFU Ralphie. Itchinjim Jul 2012 #8
Posts like this are why I don't want to be called a Democrat. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #139
I feel the same emilyg Jul 2012 #166
"They?" Could your brush be any broader? MADem Jul 2012 #286
Thank you. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #303
Will YOU make the same charge against President Obama and Citizens United? bvar22 Jul 2012 #305
I am not taking your point. MADem Jul 2012 #318
President Obama speaks in opposition to Citizens United, bvar22 Jul 2012 #367
President Obama is not an idiot. He has voiced his objection and acknowledges he has to play in the MADem Jul 2012 #373
What a total misinterpretation of Bvar's post. Your rage is becoming disturbing, frankly. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #411
Well, Sabrina--that was both a rude and loaded comment. MADem Jul 2012 #429
You aren't "supporting Dermocrats" in THIS thread. bvar22 Jul 2012 #435
I am challenging anyone who believes that Ralph Nader, Right Wing Tool, represents "working class, MADem Jul 2012 #439
WOW. bvar22 Jul 2012 #457
See? bvar22 Jul 2012 #418
One more time--I am just not taking your point. MADem Jul 2012 #430
Oh YES!!! bvar22 Jul 2012 #437
Just because I have strong feelings about an issue does not mean I am unhappy. MADem Jul 2012 #438
+1. That's gonna leave a mark. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #556
Well, why don't you make some nice tea for Ralph? aquart Jul 2012 #314
Not sure what ya mean limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #319
Well said. The only thing that keeps me in the Dem Party right now, are the people I know sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #410
I just think the anger against Nader is really misplaced. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #419
Agreed. The vitriol expressed towards Nader seems to be unmatched by the same posters re Republicans AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #503
I don't think you are the only one who feels that way sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #514
Then why are you on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? If you're not a Democrat, then leave! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #450
It's open to independents who vote for Dems. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #451
Ralph Nader just needs to STFU. Brigid Jul 2012 #9
Maybe if extremest fuckwads weren't constantly dividing our party we would Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #10
Precisely. It's not like he needs the money, he's a one percenter and a hypocrite about the source MADem Jul 2012 #294
Cheer up Ralph ProSense Jul 2012 #12
Fuck Ralph Nader. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13
+4 tawadi Jul 2012 #396
Thank you for posting this! n/t Dalai_1 Jul 2012 #14
Fuck Ralph Nader Lochloosa Jul 2012 #17
Nader's own post shows that he wants Republicans, not Democrats, to be defeated AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #18
Nader acknowledges that corporatists have taken the Democratic party too upi402 Jul 2012 #19
Of course this is the truth, woo me with science Jul 2012 #257
Reflexive Shit Talk is easier whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #21
Nader is talking out of the side of his mouth. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #26
There he goes with the Holder vote again... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #31
I always ask, would you rather have the Blue Dogs and a Speaker Pelosi right now, Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #36
That's a pretty simple concept that too many of the puritopians fail to grasp...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #44
Did you know that the old 'puritan' talking point went out with sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #105
None of the Blue Dogs HAD an "80% voting with me" record. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #507
Well the real point is. zeemike Jul 2012 #59
That depends - do you trust his words or his actions. jeff47 Jul 2012 #495
Was in Wisconsin when I voted for Nader in 2000. shcrane71 Jul 2012 #22
No ProSense Jul 2012 #23
umm... yeah. It is my experience; therefore it is accurate. shcrane71 Jul 2012 #263
Absolutely. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #264
You are correct. The only Dems I've ever met who hate Nader are political sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #412
Just say "Nader" and the Vichy-Dems go nuts. Wilms Jul 2012 #24
You're saying we exterminate Jews, gays, gypsies DevonRex Jul 2012 #27
Not at all. Wilms Jul 2012 #30
And either you know how insulting Vichy Dems is or you don't, DevonRex Jul 2012 #33
Believe me I'm aware how insulting Vichy-Dems are. Wilms Jul 2012 #46
Aww. Bless your heart. You can't help it. DevonRex Jul 2012 #86
hey, it's Christmas in July.. doddering 'ol ralph has provided a day's worth of fun for the resident dionysus Jul 2012 #64
The guy Godwined his own post! DevonRex Jul 2012 #83
how is the estate these days? wadsworth is spending a fortune keeping the grounds green lately. dionysus Jul 2012 #96
We have a vole who's eating all the snow in summer. DevonRex Jul 2012 #104
What a despicable comparison. You should be ashamed of yourself. nt MADem Jul 2012 #238
I'm crushed. Wilms Jul 2012 #249
I think shame would be the more appropriate reaction. MADem Jul 2012 #272
You've said as much. Wilms Jul 2012 #290
You're defending a 1 percenter who's all about himself, and using an offensive reference to do so. MADem Jul 2012 #297
You've mistaken me for someone defending him. Wilms Jul 2012 #306
The OP is all about Ralph conning the sheep-masses. I suggest you take your own advice. MADem Jul 2012 #312
Not my read on it. Wilms Jul 2012 #316
It's not about his First Amendment Rights. MADem Jul 2012 #320
I find your argument as compelling as your link-less assertions. Wilms Jul 2012 #324
Unlike you, apparently, I have read the entire thread. MADem Jul 2012 #326
Gee. Wilms Jul 2012 #334
That was before the war made it worth millions. MADem Jul 2012 #341
I'm pretty much done with your off-topic-ness. Wilms Jul 2012 #348
Keep supporting Ralph. By so doing, you are supporting a GOP candidate and making Ralph rich. MADem Jul 2012 #351
It's about DINOs. Wilms Jul 2012 #353
Repeatedly bellowing a falsehood does not make it true. Check the OP. MADem Jul 2012 #366
. Wilms Jul 2012 #368
.? What does that mean? Here's some light reading for you re: Progressive Ralph... MADem Jul 2012 #401
Anti-Union Ralph Nader fools the gullible sooo easily. They keep his little family-run empire in Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #34
Actually, in the OP Nader IS attacking republicans and their policies. Wilms Jul 2012 #47
And on the other hand, he's whining at CISCO because his stock has fallen in value; he wants a MADem Jul 2012 #239
+1 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #38
nader is the one who aided the fascists, making him the vichey progressive arely staircase Jul 2012 #48
Really? I thought it was Clinton/Gore pushing WTO/NAFTA. Wilms Jul 2012 #98
no it was nader taking money from the gop to defeat the democrats arely staircase Jul 2012 #109
Are you saying offshoring is OK if your a DINO? Wilms Jul 2012 #115
no im saying ralph nader deserves much of the credit for the dystopia that was the cheney years arely staircase Jul 2012 #130
Well, you're not alone. I'll give you that. Wilms Jul 2012 #143
gore would not have invaded iraq nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #144
I hope he wouldn't have. Wilms Jul 2012 #147
Well, Ralph had stock in Halliburton, General Dynamics, and Raytheon, for starters. MADem Jul 2012 #300
In one or 2 sentences, please state the democrats vision/agenda for America. thank you :-) nt msongs Jul 2012 #28
here you go arely staircase Jul 2012 #55
"Not as bad" and "The Lesser of Two Evils" Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #80
Health care/social safety net/equality. GOP? Rich get richer, fuck you poor folks. NT MADem Jul 2012 #327
The worst thing that Nader did... kentuck Jul 2012 #29
Gee, Ralph...maybe you should enter the race. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #35
But..but..caving to the Repugs is "smart politics". Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #37
Nuck Fader. How many elections has he won? NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #39
Let me add my UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 #40
I like Ralph Nader Douglas Carpenter Jul 2012 #41
FUCK NADER!!! Odin2005 Jul 2012 #42
Fuck Ralph Nader...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #43
+1 treestar Jul 2012 #52
what a sad little man nader has become arely staircase Jul 2012 #45
Think about the millions he has in union-busting CISCO stock--that'll tamp down those pangs, too. nt MADem Jul 2012 #210
We should landslide in Nov.. otherone Jul 2012 #50
Sure hope so... Kyad06 Jul 2012 #56
Fuck Ralph Nader! aikoaiko Jul 2012 #51
This is all your fault, Nader Gman Jul 2012 #53
The Democrats are caving to the Repugs to please Nader?? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #68
No, we would have few if any of the problems we have now Gman Jul 2012 #195
Nader ran as a Green. Not a Democrat. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #196
Or to Tennessee, his own state, Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #389
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I hate to say anything good about that loser, but many of the things he says about us democrats, demosincebirth Jul 2012 #61
Does he still exist? Who knew? Orrex Jul 2012 #65
Hey Ralph, what do you care? Progressive dog Jul 2012 #66
He is correct on this Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2012 #67
I think he suffers from an inflated-ego, but HE'S RIGHT about this. They have nothing to lose. patrice Jul 2012 #69
Show me a politician who does NOT have an inflated ego with narcissistic tendencies. bvar22 Jul 2012 #302
Yep. This is why we NEED public campaign finance and instant-run-off-voting. nt patrice Jul 2012 #531
If Bernie Sanders has them, he controls them pretty well. nt patrice Jul 2012 #532
STFU, Nader! lastlib Jul 2012 #70
Re Nader: "I don't think I've ever met a bigger asshole" DinahMoeHum Jul 2012 #72
I have a link that will do. Ralph Nader was a war profiteer, steering votes to the war candidate. MADem Jul 2012 #335
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #340
Nader, horsefly Skidmore Jul 2012 #73
He's RIGHT!! Continued backbone failure and triangulation will lead to defeat on point Jul 2012 #74
You want a backbone? Aerows Jul 2012 #434
+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #441
Ahh I love seeing the Nader bashers. white_wolf Jul 2012 #75
+1 DJ13 Jul 2012 #82
What's that ProSense Jul 2012 #91
Ralph Nader lied in 2000. He made possible the theft of the election. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #94
Q: Why was the 'lie' so easy to believe? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #315
Gore did not equal Bush. That was a lie. And can you tell me why Nader ran again in 2004 and libinnyandia Jul 2012 #357
Gore won the election, so it's funny to see anyone who is a Democrat sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #106
+1 n/t lordsummerisle Jul 2012 #159
Nader had plenty to do with the theft jeff47 Jul 2012 #496
No, he didn't. Not one serious analysis of what happened in 2000 ever sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #515
You are only assigning the literal votes for Nader as the effect. jeff47 Jul 2012 #517
Most of what you just said is merely supposition. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #519
Why the hell do I bother? jeff47 Jul 2012 #522
You're blaming Gore treestar Jul 2012 #112
Well said. When someone tells you not to listen to Nader, shcrane71 Jul 2012 #265
I find it's much more important to watch Nader than listen to him jeff47 Jul 2012 #497
I love seeing the clueless defenders of that Hypocritical One Percenter/GOP Corporate Tool. nt MADem Jul 2012 #298
I have to agree with everyone else... FUCK Ralph Nader!!! RevStPatrick Jul 2012 #76
Fuck Ralph Nader, Democrats should cower even *more* abjectly.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #78
You know the drill libodem Jul 2012 #90
I used to love Nader ... Now I despise him .... but HE IS RIGHT ! Trajan Jul 2012 #93
I agree except that Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #103
I'm sorry, but what's Nader's winning percentage in elections? onenote Jul 2012 #99
More attacking the messenger, huh? sadbear Jul 2012 #102
Why? Because Dean is trying to help. What's Nader doing to help fight the Rethugs? pnwmom Jul 2012 #202
Criticizing Dems for not being pure enough sadbear Jul 2012 #248
"Glowering" Nader faces obscurity Kolesar Jul 2012 #108
"Twelve percent of Florida Democrats (over 200,000) voted for George Bush" -San Francisco Chronicle Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #110
Ok, and how many of those did so because "there's no difference between Bush and Gore"? jeff47 Jul 2012 #498
So, maybe Gore should have set out to prove enough of difference and captured the Left. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #505
And it was Nader's call to go after the left jeff47 Jul 2012 #516
Why would it have been Nader's job to help his opponent win? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #524
By your logic, it's Nader's fault. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2012 #578
Hate on Nader if you will, but he is right. AnOhioan Jul 2012 #111
Thanks for facillitating ShrubCo you dweebie fuck orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #113
If Dems are so afraid of challenges from the left... limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #114
Naw. They'd rather blame the voters than appeal to them. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #117
HaHahaHA. Because grumpy old Nader appeals to SO many!! DevonRex Jul 2012 #119
Well, grumpy old Nader wrecked the election according to some. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #146
Well, make up your mind. He is either the most powerful man in America sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #313
Nader would STILL have run and used the same right-wing talking points, NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #135
Anybody should be allowed to run. The point is he would not have had any support. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #142
It has nothing to do with being "allowed" to run. NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #152
We learned very different lessons from the 2000 election I guess. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #168
"defeat" is something he is an expert in. Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #116
Nader is a copy cat. bvar22 Jul 2012 #121
Oh great. Now you're running the risk that they are going to trash Truman and Wellstone. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #175
He is a wealthy, secretive, lawbreaking liar who gambles with his non-profit money and doesn't pay MADem Jul 2012 #398
Bingo RN got it in one, If the Democratic candidates would campaign on a Progressive Populous Vincardog Jul 2012 #122
Renewable energy is enough for me Kolesar Jul 2012 #124
I'm still waiting for the definitive Democratic Party branding campaign ... Auggie Jul 2012 #123
I disagree with the "cowering" but I don't think we're doing enough. :( nt gateley Jul 2012 #125
Punxsutawney Ralph. AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #126
Nader needs to stay under his rock he only comes out to bite. gordianot Jul 2012 #128
Another GOP Hack (Nader) Quoted In A GOP Rag (Politico)... stlsaxman Jul 2012 #131
What Nader fails to recognize is a large demographic in this country are made up of racist right still_one Jul 2012 #132
Why blame nader instead of the people who voted for him? limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #136
I blame Nader, I also blame Gore, the supreme court, and the ballots the confused many people still_one Jul 2012 #173
He's right. BE the fucking Democratic party again. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #133
Fuck scum Nadir. n/t BlueToTheBone Jul 2012 #134
Good to see Ralph sticking up for the Republicans NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #137
wasn't he on 'happy days' ? spanone Jul 2012 #138
Good article. Nader is right Autumn Jul 2012 #140
The Ground Hog sees his shadow, posts an article, then goes back to sleep. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #145
Spoken like someone who's won a lot of elected offices. Oh, wait. He hasn't won ANY! nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #148
Do you ever criticize Repubs, Ralph, or do you just silently take their money? great white snark Jul 2012 #154
"Craven and cruel corporatist Republicans" sounds like it might possibly be a criticism... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #158
F Nader richmwill Jul 2012 #160
Ralph Nader can go jump in a lake. Arkana Jul 2012 #161
"Craven and cruel corporatist Republicans" sounds like it might possibly be a criticism... Fumesucker Jul 2012 #174
The guy has a point, in that it would be great to have a real liberal/progressive party in quinnox Jul 2012 #162
FU RN. Nt stevenleser Jul 2012 #163
Mr. Nader is correct Skittles Jul 2012 #164
Ditto. emilyg Jul 2012 #167
well.....he`s right madrchsod Jul 2012 #169
Perhaps one of the reasons that Nader is hated by so many here Bonobo Jul 2012 #177
+1 nashville_brook Jul 2012 #179
That must be it! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #181
Oh thanks for reminding me --there's another possibility... Bonobo Jul 2012 #182
That assessment gets my vote. bvar22 Jul 2012 #453
100%. One of the last that changed the world for the better, and he is reviled for it. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #192
I'm pretty sure a lot of people just see him as a useful idiot for the right. joshcryer Jul 2012 #221
Useful to the GOP and no idiot--his war profiteering stocks made him wealthy. nt MADem Jul 2012 #343
"Real" progressives take cash from GOP donors and own stock in Raytheon, etc? Who knew?? nt MADem Jul 2012 #240
No, we hate him because we watch what he does, not just what he says. jeff47 Jul 2012 #500
I started wondering about him when he stiffed a crowd of several hundred several years ago patrice Jul 2012 #530
Great! Tips from the "liberal" asshole who called my president an Uncle Tom. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #183
Very well said! Bravo! nt MADem Jul 2012 #211
Agree. + The words "liberal" and "conservative" are practically meaningless anymore. Reclaim them??? patrice Jul 2012 #533
Folks like Ralph Nader have perverted the term "liberal", which is why I no longer claim it. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #536
Geez is that tool still alive? n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #185
Like so many others have said... SkyDaddy7 Jul 2012 #186
While cowering isn't the word I would use.. SomethingFishy Jul 2012 #193
Man, the mention of the N word really sets a blaze. JoeyT Jul 2012 #194
Why isn't Nader sending his troops to help Dems in the fight for progressive values? pnwmom Jul 2012 #198
Because Faux won't pay him those sweet appearance fees to tout for the left side of the equation. MADem Jul 2012 #227
Nader makes more money for his organization when the Rethugs are in power. pnwmom Jul 2012 #230
If we had individual post rec you'd be racking up the numbers!! nt MADem Jul 2012 #236
Nader is an ass... sendero Jul 2012 #242
Ralph doesn't care about your hate. the other one Jul 2012 #245
"A democratic may be different from a republican, but both parties are the same" Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #346
Ralph Nader, writing the same article over and over for decades Democat Jul 2012 #247
Hey, Ralph Nader knows a thing or two about........... Amaril Jul 2012 #250
If this is Nader's tilt on reverse psychology, no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #251
Nader is irrelevant excrement. MjolnirTime Jul 2012 #254
Not according to the majority of posters in this thread. bvar22 Jul 2012 #270
Where do you get that crap? Nader is a whining spoiler who managed to fuck over progressives MADem Jul 2012 #274
The NERVE! bvar22 Jul 2012 #308
While investing in WAL MART, where he benefitted from those regulation changes! MADem Jul 2012 #311
Can you name a single Democratic Politician... bvar22 Jul 2012 #328
You are deliberately being obtuse. Nader decried the government war machine, he pretended to be in MADem Jul 2012 #332
Hey Ralph. Eat some shit and die NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #255
Why would Nader care? He hates the Democratic Party. libinnyandia Jul 2012 #260
We LOVE us some "ex" Republicans, though. Just change your letter, Ralph--those Romulox Jul 2012 #261
I mean, some guy posted a long OP the other day from a guy who "converted" to an "ex" Pub--in 2007! Romulox Jul 2012 #262
Not trying to inconvenience you but any chance do you have a link to that OP? NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #266
Here ya go: "Ex" (circa 2007!) Republican calls for "purity", stifling of dissent. 108 DUers agree! Romulox Jul 2012 #285
Now THAT is a classic! bvar22 Jul 2012 #452
You know, some people do see that as prioritizing a dynamic process, not stifling, because some patrice Jul 2012 #534
Ralphie Boy! Long time no see! How come you only visit every four years? JHB Jul 2012 #267
Never mistake collusion for cowering. woo me with science Jul 2012 #276
This is right limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #361
I respected Ralph Nader about 20 years ago. Cary Jul 2012 #277
He's absolutely correct. matmar Jul 2012 #281
One thing so sad about 2000 is that Al Gore seems to have learned so little from it. He still Romulox Jul 2012 #287
Daring to be "more progressive?" Not by his stock portfolio, he wasn't!!!! MADem Jul 2012 #304
Al Gore's portforlio was/is no more progressive. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #317
Al Gore wasn't playing the scold. Nader was scolding the Dems while holding a GOP stock portfolio. MADem Jul 2012 #325
Al Gore is worth $100 million, a good deal of which was made via gov't connections. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #413
Yes, and Al never pretended to be a po'boy, living in a rooming house with a bathroom down the hall, MADem Jul 2012 #432
Al is an environmental scold who uses more energy than 10 average families. He also SELLS carbon Romulox Jul 2012 #447
And this is known about him. For years. So what? MADem Jul 2012 #461
It's contemptible, hypocritical behavior that completely vitiates Al's ability to scold others. nt Romulox Jul 2012 #490
Al never wore sackcloth and ashes. He never played the poor boy. MADem Jul 2012 #513
LOOK everybody! A Ralph Nader post. Everybody dog pile on Ralph. Hotler Jul 2012 #291
It's not a "dog pile" to call a one-percenter hypocrite for what he is. MADem Jul 2012 #307
Can you name a politician who is NOT a 1%er? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #379
Ralph is the only one I know who plays poor boy while raking in the millions. MADem Jul 2012 #383
I have never heard him call himself 'a poor boy' nor have I ever heard him sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #386
Am I the only one here who is old enough to know about the cult of Ralph? MADem Jul 2012 #392
It's very possible that he was once not a wealthy man. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #397
He has been wealthy since he started insider trading in the seventies--and maybe earlier. MADem Jul 2012 #399
Sorry, but the Nader hatred while interesting, still has zero to do with the theft of the sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #403
I differ as do many others. I invite your careful attention to that sourced document I provided to MADem Jul 2012 #404
I have read many expert analysis of the theft of the 2000 election and Nader barely sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #405
Well, that's nice. I don't agree with your experts and I am not alone. MADem Jul 2012 #407
In the end, one thing caused the loss of what was a win for Gore, the USSC. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #408
I have all those stocks in my portfolio now also. Does that make me a bad person too.?? Hotler Jul 2012 #380
I take my anger to the voting booth, and I bring voters with me every election. MADem Jul 2012 #382
I welcome ANYBODY who will STAND UP and say... bvar22 Jul 2012 #309
Fuck Nadar and Ann RMoney, Too we can do it Jul 2012 #310
Yes, the Democratic party Aerows Jul 2012 #329
+1,000 nt MADem Jul 2012 #406
These Nader folks Aerows Jul 2012 #433
They are very young, and/or very naive. They don't know his horrible, anti-worker, anti-union MADem Jul 2012 #443
This thread cracks me up. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #349
Well, I am a practical activist. MADem Jul 2012 #355
It's a mystery why this thread even exists. blue neen Jul 2012 #364
haha limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #387
Good! blue neen Jul 2012 #409
It's just history. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #420
that about sums it up. Dems in party leadership seem loathe to call bullshit on the GOP yurbud Jul 2012 #372
Ralph Nader is a wolf in sheeps clothing. AJTheMan Jul 2012 #390
He's no liberal--he's an authoritarian ass who gets stock tips from his GOP pals. MADem Jul 2012 #393
If we used one-tenth of this energy generated by the vitriol expressed here for Ralph Nader amb123 Jul 2012 #414
The vitriol is directed at *people who share Nader's beliefs*. The ones who say "Fuck Nader" are Romulox Jul 2012 #415
Is there a possibility that the revulsion is for the "framers" as opposed to the "framing"? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #422
!!!!!! dionysus Jul 2012 #445
"Speak of the devil, and he will appear..." nt Romulox Jul 2012 #446
!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #448
We wouldn't have had Bush in 2000 if Gore had run an anti-corporate domination campaign. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #508
Regurgitated "Naderisms" and his apologists have absolutely no effect on me. Sorry. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #525
It's not a Naderism...it's the truth...Nader didn't invent that observation Ken Burch Jul 2012 #538
Okay. Thanks. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #539
And you're silly "waving" smilie doesn't discredit any of my points. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #541
I agree. "Centrists" are gutless, political cowards amb123 Jul 2012 #431
UNREC. People who say FUCK RALPH NADER know that he was and continues to be a tool of the GOP. MADem Jul 2012 #442
So then Nader should be building his party of progressives that have a chance to beat Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #416
He has certainly amassed a personal fortune for himself and his lobbying firms. MADem Jul 2012 #444
And that's why the Greens all but banished him from the party. Many of them realized that he was Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #449
It's pretty clear that there wasn't much love there, particularly when his own VP candidate was MADem Jul 2012 #460
I agree with him 100%. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #421
If Ralphie is so brilliant and so full of civic concern, why hasn't he run mac56 Jul 2012 #425
Given that there doesn't even seem to be a third-party presidential campaign this year Ken Burch Jul 2012 #454
Yes there is. The Greens just aren't having Big Mouth Ralph ruin their reputations anymore. MADem Jul 2012 #462
Then we can assume that the existence of a Green ticket this year Ken Burch Jul 2012 #464
You never know. MADem Jul 2012 #471
Just so you know, I actually agree with your critique of the Greens on organizational matters Ken Burch Jul 2012 #476
I disagree with you re: Wellstone and Kennedy, but that is an argument for another day. MADem Jul 2012 #486
Just a little bit of info AnOhioan Jul 2012 #489
Good point. So, in EVERY state with a Democratic legislature and governor Ken Burch Jul 2012 #491
Only if you pretend turnout doesn't matter. jeff47 Jul 2012 #502
Then it's up to this party to INSPIRE turnout Ken Burch Jul 2012 #504
It would be nice if you'd bother to read a post before replying to it. jeff47 Jul 2012 #518
I did read the post Ken Burch Jul 2012 #520
You read the title. jeff47 Jul 2012 #521
I read the post Ken Burch Jul 2012 #523
+1,000 nt MADem Jul 2012 #511
You don't build turnout by silencing dissent. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #543
I know the difference between "dissent" and "flinging shit at GOP command." MADem Jul 2012 #544
The people who show up the most and vote Ken Burch Jul 2012 #545
Not in my universe, and I've been at this (when I was in USA, anyway) since the Vietnam era. MADem Jul 2012 #548
I've never insulted or disrespected the voters you're talking about there. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #550
Well, I will take you at your word, but I've seen plenty of snark--in this thread--about centrists MADem Jul 2012 #552
I'm not "cheering on Nader" or calling for Dems to recruit Nader. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #555
I am not "demanding" anything. I simply don't care to waste my time on a GOP corporate tool and MADem Jul 2012 #562
This isn't about validating Ralph as a person...why can't you see that? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #563
What this is "about" is a load of shit stirring by a GOP tool. There is no distinction to be made. MADem Jul 2012 #564
How would making our party more populist fuck with our chances? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #568
The battle this year is RMoney against the working/middle class. MADem Jul 2012 #569
Obama just ratfucked that campaign by putting Cory Booker, the Bain apologist, on the platform comm. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #570
"Ratfucked?" Karl Rove, is that you? MADem Jul 2012 #571
It goes back before Rove Ken Burch Jul 2012 #572
I know only that you're interested in touting a guy who has twice been a mouthpiece for the GOP. MADem Jul 2012 #573
I'm not touting the guy...it isn't ABOUT the guy. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #574
Oh, bullshit. You can't possibly be that gullible. nt MADem Jul 2012 #575
It's not gullibility simply to disagree with YOU. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #576
Keep arguing with yourself, then, if you'd like. nt MADem Jul 2012 #577
3 years of attacking Obama from all sides is what did it...... FrenchieCat Jul 2012 #470
Nader is like Frankenstein, they roll him out of his crypt every 4 years to try and scare everyone. Major Hogwash Jul 2012 #483
+1,000,000! nt MADem Jul 2012 #487
488. Go Ralph Go!!! the other one Jul 2012 #488
In electoral terms, Ralph's already gone. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #493
Ralph, I love ya, but STFU, OK? Taverner Jul 2012 #499
Fuck you, Ralph Nader 47of74 Jul 2012 #510
Sit on it Ralph!!! Rex Jul 2012 #528
Hmmm...looks like it's time for Ralphie to awaken from his four year slumber Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #535
I'm no fan of this particular messenger . . . markpkessinger Jul 2012 #537
I think you'll find that most people here agree with Nader's positions either a lot or some Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #547
As a member of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin/DPW I know those of you that solely blame Nader bobthedrummer Jul 2012 #540
I don't blame Nader solely but there's no question that he siphoned off votes for Gore Cary Jul 2012 #551
Welcome to DU, Cary-it was a COUP-different from November 22, 1963--friendly fascism style. n/t bobthedrummer Jul 2012 #566
Ralph, I have a message for you from the great Cee Lo Green.... Rosco T. Jul 2012 #546
+1,000,000! nt MADem Jul 2012 #549
Forget Florida -- The real Nader damage occurred in New Hampshire in 2000... VOX Jul 2012 #553
Why is this thread still here? demosincebirth Jul 2012 #554
OMG, I can't believe a Nader thread in 2012 has 566 responses. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #557
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