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Wed Jul 11, 2012, 11:10 PM

49. Not a bit of it: but if it makes you feel better about yourself

to think so - that self-righteousness just radiates smugness and other-directed contempt - you go right ahead.

I don't hold it against you: in fact, I pity you to some slight extent.

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110 replies	Author	Time	Post
How Germany Keeps Amazon at Bay and Literary Culture Alive [View all]	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	OP
Will they save the buggy whip also?	Confusious	Jul 2012	#1
Bookstores do not sell ebooks?	Fumesucker	Jul 2012	#4
every eReader can go online	Confusious	Jul 2012	#6
A few really weird people prefer to support their local merchant..	Fumesucker	Jul 2012	#8
Basically, what they do would be	Confusious	Jul 2012	#9
Where do you go to get your cable TV at a lower rate?	Fumesucker	Jul 2012	#10
I don't. I have satellite.	Confusious	Jul 2012	#11
Why do people collect comics/graphic novels when you can get a better rendition on your screen?	Fumesucker	Jul 2012	#12
Because people collect comics/ graphics novels, as I said	Confusious	Jul 2012	#28
Publishing houses are not the same as "local merchants." They're leeches.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#65
What about nationalizing publishing and electronic media?	FrodosPet	Jul 2012	#100
"Additionally, average book prices in Germany are the lowest in Europe"	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#66
The author of the OP article is the fucking former CEO of Henry Holt Inc.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#69
They tried price fixing, and that is what you are talking about, price fixing, and they got sued.	CBGLuthier	Jul 2012	#2
Price fixing goes on every day in America..	Fumesucker	Jul 2012	#5
yeah, sure.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#20
Protectionism! Argh! Well that explains why the German economy is so anemic.	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#3
Ding ding ding!!! LOL. +1,000!	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#67
The numbers are bullshit	Confusious	Jul 2012	#7
i'll believe you when you link a reference. because the number i get is 172,000 (for 2005).	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#14
Well according to wiki:	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#16
notice the difference between the two citations?	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#17
What's wrong with being self-published?	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#18
not an apples to apples comparison on two counts, i infer. 99% of "self-publishing" is stuff	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#19
So the democraticization of the process here is bad because it means anyone can take part	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#21
no, saying the comparison of two different data sets is invalid. and self-publishing has always	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#22
Apparently it isn't much of an option in some places	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#25
it's a;ways been an option, from vanity presses to xerox machines.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#32
The publishers are middlemen, they're rent seekers. "Mom and pop" is just propaganda.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#63
here's the story on the numbers; the reason for the large jump 2005 to today is: different method-	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#70
I'm not sure this is true	Johonny	Jul 2012	#26
no, small presses were hit by the internet & amazon, which destroyed their margins.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#34
yeah	Johonny	Jul 2012	#88
Good.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#94
Oh god, now you're defending big publishing houses.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#62
Not just that but the end of the article basically contridicts everything else.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#68
I only complain when market manipulation drives prices up...	Comrade_McKenzie	Jul 2012	#13
Does a book lose its literary value by changing format?	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#15
Their loss... I prefer Amazon	Marooned	Jul 2012	#23
thank you for supporting sweatshop labor, the destruction of local taxbases & small publishers,	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#36
I usually buy books used on Amazon	Freddie Stubbs	Jul 2012	#24
thank you for supporting sweatshop labor, the destruction of local taxbases & small publishers,	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#35
Try these guys.	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#90
The US used to have Fair Trade Laws -- they have all been repealed	FarCenter	Jul 2012	#27
Yea, but your link also said	Confusious	Jul 2012	#30
The small business community could not hold the line against the large retailers	FarCenter	Jul 2012	#40
you missed the "impractical" part	Confusious	Jul 2012	#43
Enforcement is cheap so long as it is consistent, rigorous, and painful.	FarCenter	Jul 2012	#44
You still haven't addressed the fact	Confusious	Jul 2012	#51
It's illegal under the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, you are right about that.	Selatius	Jul 2012	#59
I love Amazon and have bought literally hundreds of dollars worth of books from them.	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#29
thank you for supporting sweatshop labor. and the destruction of local tax bases.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#31
And the day I do any of those things I will return to this thread and accept your "thanks."	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#39
you do those things, because amazon does those things.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#48
Not a bit of it: but if it makes you feel better about yourself	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#49
again, thanks for your support of union-busting, worker-grinding, small-business and small	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#50
The only one doing any "rationalizing" here is you: and that is in the cause of	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#52
amazon is all those things; you said you love it and support it with your dollars. ergo.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#53
You can keep typing such silliness all night long: it still doesn't make it true.	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#54
of course it does. actions have consequences. support for anti-labor tax dodgers does too.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#55
Of course it doesn't: buying books from Amazon does not equate to "support"	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#56
BTW, Hannah: I wasn't really for your banning back on DU2, just FYI.	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#57
You've been quite civilized even after being accused of promoting slavery.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#64
"rang a Bell" - LOL, good one! And quite right, methinks.	apocalypsehow	Jul 2012	#109
Have you seen that Harlequin class action that was filed?	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#110
oh NO!!!! Anything against PROFITS is EVIL! Ask the devil...	fascisthunter	Jul 2012	#33
german publishers make profits. rather decent ones.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#37
oh well... I'm sure they will survive	fascisthunter	Jul 2012	#38
Wunderbar! Danke n/t	sfpcjock	Jul 2012	#41
Why stop at books, if this is such a great idea?	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#42
it's how airlines and some other things used to work in the us. & it worked better than today,	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#46
The airlines were also highly regulated	Confusious	Jul 2012	#58
nobody's regulating the books. they're regulating potential monopolists.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#60
Like fast food caused the death of good food?	Confusious	Jul 2012	#71
It does spell the end of "independent book stores" as well.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#72
I don't think it does	Confusious	Jul 2012	#73
The studies on this show that it does though.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#75
After reading your other post	Confusious	Jul 2012	#76
Yeah, it's not far off. :)	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#79
no, nature doesn't always find a way. and there's nothing natural about literary culture.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#74
Sure there is	Confusious	Jul 2012	#77
there were 'best sellers' as far back as the foundation of the country. those people you imagine	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#78
Well they still wrote, didn't they	Confusious	Jul 2012	#80
a leisured elite wrote for each other's entertainment and edification. perhaps that's your ideal.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#82
Until the press came along. Funny how that works out.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#83
there seem to be a lot of people i'm ignoring in this thread. which means a gang attack.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#84
gang attack by the 'ignored' continuing.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#96
And the ones writing now aren't the leisured elites?	Confusious	Jul 2012	#85
stephen king worked in a laundry and taught school before he hit it big with carrie.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#86
Maybe he did	Confusious	Jul 2012	#87
"part of a privileged few". exactly. the same as the unknown "self-published" authors amazon	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#89
Oh brother	Confusious	Jul 2012	#91
It's the same type of kneejerk reaction to technologically aided education.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#92
all but one owned publishing businesses, & that's how they did their "self-publishing". it's a	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#95
Really? corporatists?	Confusious	Jul 2012	#97
lol. just a bigger corporatist controlling more of the value chain, from publishing to retail.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#98
No, the writer would take all of it.	Confusious	Jul 2012	#99
i'm pretty sure you don't know anything about anything.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#101
Like I said	Confusious	Jul 2012	#102
let's place a bet & see how your speculation pans out in 10 years.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#103
Amazon will be highly marginalized in 10 years.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#107
Yep, Xuni is one of them. The problem is payment methods.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#106
LOL, you quote 35% royalty at the minmum. Paper book authors get 15% at the maximum!	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#104
gangstalking continues	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#105
Status quo defending continues.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#108
Amanda Hocking was a group home worker before she hit it.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#93
Heh, franchising is the fault of that. Kinda like how publishing houses are the middle men...	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#81
Its been years since I could afford to buy books new	bhikkhu	Jul 2012	#45
yeah, there's such a discount on e-books. not. and you don't even get to own them. you just	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#47
Amazon is fine with this, Amazon's war is with publishers.	joshcryer	Jul 2012	#61

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