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In the discussion thread: Florida 'first time offender' gets 161 years in prison. [View all]

Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:05 AM

Blue_Tires (31,647 posts)

99. so no one in this thread can find a happy medium

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between probation plus time served and 161 years??

and it gets back to my earlier question: Just how many similar cases has Florida given the same sentence to??

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103 replies	Author	Time	Post
Florida 'first time offender' gets 161 years in prison. [View all]	Swede	Jul 2012	OP
You had me till I saw he shot at a dog.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#1
I wonder what they'll throw at Zimmerman.	HopeHoops	Jul 2012	#17
5 years with time off for good behavior.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#45
It was seven armed robberies	Yo_Mama	Jul 2012	#44
he didn't kill anyone and it looks like he was the fall guy. 161 years = cruel & unusual.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#62
His prosecution was on the Federal level and you are holding the State of Florida accountable.	lpbk2713	Jul 2012	#2
It's the headline from the article.	Swede	Jul 2012	#4
Good grief. If he'd killed someone, or victimized children	mzmolly	Jul 2012	#3
He's black	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#5
Yep, American Exceptionalism, we ain't got no bigotry or racism!	RKP5637	Jul 2012	#54
BS!	benld74	Jul 2012	#6
I have no sympathy whatsoever for this thug.	Archae	Jul 2012	#7
Your mentality is the reason why the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#8
You ever been robbed?	Archae	Jul 2012	#10
Yes I have.	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#11
life no, but certainly a stint.	dionysus	Jul 2012	#31
And also look at how many are in for petty drug offenses, and often the	RKP5637	Jul 2012	#57
Nine times. Yup-- nine times-- six at gunpoint	LanternWaste	Jul 2012	#82
And armed criminals like him are the reason we have such high murder rates	hack89	Jul 2012	#13
it looks like he was the fall guy for the rest of the gang who plea-bargained.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#63
Having the highest incarcertation rate, even if true, doesn't mean they should not be incarcerated.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#23
the sentence is obscene but are you saying one shouldn't be jailed for armed robbery?	dionysus	Jul 2012	#29
I think the prison systems are privitized and there have	Maraya1969	Jul 2012	#39
No, this guy is the kind of guy we want imprisoned.	Chan790	Jul 2012	#40
There were 6 other guys, they plea-bargained and got 9-22 years. The only evidence against	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#65
Outcome-based justice would put the public at increased risk	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#48
The young man has a medical/chemical brain disorder.	underseasurveyor	Jul 2012	#59
If you want to cut down on gun violence then criminals with guns need to be hammered	hack89	Jul 2012	#9
Exactly, but we are supposed to be sympathetic with this thug.	Archae	Jul 2012	#12
There were 6 other guys. The only evidence against this guy is their testimony that he alone	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#66
I bet he thought they were his friends for life.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2012	#91
"first conviction", perhaps, but not for a singular offense.	NYC_SKP	Jul 2012	#14
I thought all these things, too. It's not really a first offense when there are 7 separate crimes...	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#24
convicted solely on the testimony of the 6 other guys who plea-bargained down. no ID by any	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#64
I wasn't at the trial, and the article doesn't go through all the evidence. It wasn't his first	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#92
Interesting they sentenced him on each individual count....	Historic NY	Jul 2012	#15
Convicted of 7 armed robberies those multiple counts add up quick.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#16
If he floats he is guilty and must be burned as a witch.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#18
+1	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#19
Except that the trial is over -- he was convicted of 7 crimes with evidence.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#20
Never question authority.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#21
WTF?	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#22
wtf does that even mean. are you saying armed robbers shouldn't be jailed?	dionysus	Jul 2012	#30
But, of course. Just another soft on crime liberal. n/t	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#32
some folks here seem to be against jailing anyone. was just wondering if you'd clarify what you said	dionysus	Jul 2012	#33
That system, which we call the 'legal system',	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#34
i agree with you that the criminal justice system is fucked up in many ways.	dionysus	Jul 2012	#35
Oh, the justice system is flawed and you think at some time it wasn't.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#36
Never thought so. Your crystal ball is broken.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#37
Does it really matter if it's 161 or 99 w/o parole? It's a life sentence, and he won't live	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#25
This message was self-deleted by its author	think	Jul 2012	#26
First time caught and convicted. Not a first-time criminal, nor a first-time violent criminal.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#27
you know that how?	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#84
It has something to do with actually reading the article. It's not that difficult. Try it.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#86
perhaps you could cut & paste the section that talks about what his violent crimes before these	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#87
he should get some time for armed robbery if he's guilty but WTF...	dionysus	Jul 2012	#28
First appearance in a court, but found guilty of 7 counts of armed robbery. I'm ok with the sentence	JVS	Jul 2012	#38
Part of the return to feudalism is the abandonment of rehabilitation	alcibiades_mystery	Jul 2012	#41
AMEN!!!! +10000	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#42
Wow	Life Long Dem	Jul 2012	#43
Yes, if he was white he might only have gotten 75 years or so	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#49
Or he might have gotten between 9 and 22 years, which is what the 6 other guys in the gang	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#67
He chose his friends poorly	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#71
OK. Find a white guy in Florida who committed seven armed robberies, brandishing a gun about,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#56
Jack Abramoff only got 43 months in federal Prison	MrScorpio	Jul 2012	#46
I'm more comfortable with crooked lobbyists on the street than 7-time armed robbers (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#53
some rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#68
Your comparison is flawed	mythology	Jul 2012	#55
Some thieves use a gun to rob, others use United States congress critters	MrScorpio	Jul 2012	#60
A "string of armed robberies" makes him more than a first-time offender	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#47
Wouldn't armed robberies numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 be his second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#50
try reading the story.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#69
You left out the part where he was convicted of 7 armed robberies	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#51
Yeah, from the headline I was expecting that some guy stole a soda from Burger King	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#52
you forgot the part where he was convicted on only the testimony of the other criminals, who	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#70
Yes, prosecutors offer deals to people who agree to testify.	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#78
the testimony of criminals in exchange for reduced sentences being notably reliable	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#85
We're talking about the sentencing here.	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#88
5/6 got sentences under 23 years. One got a sentence of 161 years. Wake up & smell the coffee.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#89
What coffee would you like me to smell?	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#90
seems all you have to do in Florida to get around the mandatory minimum	reorg	Jul 2012	#94
an outrageous sentence that demonstrates what to expect if you don't "admit" what you're accused of	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#95
Yep. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas codified.	msanthrope	Jul 2012	#79
Forgive me, but I don't know-	xfundy	Jul 2012	#58
Rehabilitation? What a quaint idea.	hay rick	Jul 2012	#61
im not interested in rehabilitating violent felons	rdking647	Jul 2012	#73
It's views like yours that give us a rescission rate of over 60%.	white_wolf	Jul 2012	#80
commit a couple of violent felonies,get locked up for life	rdking647	Jul 2012	#93
7 armed robberies with a gun,fireing the gun and he was an adult.....	rdking647	Jul 2012	#72
Do people in this thread realize this kind of shit was a primary cause of the American Revolution?	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#74
Wow, I never realized that armed robbers being sent to prison sparked the American Revolution.	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#96
Read the Bill of Rights some time.	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#98
Federal Court, Not the State System.	NCTraveler	Jul 2012	#75
I have always dreamed of moving to Florida simply because of it's attractive Geographical	ladjf	Jul 2012	#76
This was a Federal case, not a state case.	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#100
Regardless. My negative comments about Florida stand. I wouldn't want to live anywhere that	ladjf	Jul 2012	#102
a guy in tacoma killed his wife, cut her up, put her in fireplace a few years ago...	progressivebydesign	Jul 2012	#77
Given that the majority of 1st time offenders never become 2nd time offenders ...	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#81
I just hope the posters cheering this on start to wonder why	Blue_Tires	Jul 2012	#83
Yes. If I'm ever unlucky enough to be in court for committing 7 armed robberies,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#97
so no one in this thread can find a happy medium	Blue_Tires	Jul 2012	#99
Is 80 years a happy medium for you?	JVS	Jul 2012	#103
My friend who is in prison for multiple robberies got only 23 years	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#101

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