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TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
Fri Dec 30, 2011, 04:01 PM Dec 2011

Let's try this again: No, Social Security is NOT insolvent. [View all]

Today I keep running into this stubborn insistence by some on DU that Social Security is really insolvent, despite the $2.6 trillion dollar Social Security Trust Fund; or that the payroll taxes which supply Social Security and other programs are taken to pay for the Defense Department or other government spending. Both of these statements are amazingly false.

The Social Security Trust Fund was created for the express purpose of saving up enough money to get the system through the wave of baby boomer retirements. Prior to that, Social Security was entirely "pay as you go," with there being no buffer between what was collected in payroll taxes and what was paid out as benefits. To pay for the boomers, payroll taxes were hiked and the SSTF was created to store the surplus against the day when there would be too many retirees for those currently working to pay for.

Now so that the Social Security Trust Fund money wasn't just sitting there doing nothing, and for it to make more money to pay out later as benefits, that money was invested. But it had to be invested in a way that would present no risk of losing the money which had already been entrusted to the system from people's taxes. Therefore, it was invested into US Treasury bonds, which are a famously no-risk investment, and pay a healthy return in the form of interest. When you see people mention the US government paying the interest on it's debt, a large chunk of that interest goes into the Social Security Trust Fund.

Which brings us to the claims that because the money has been invested, somehow the Social Security system is bankrupt or that the money has been "stolen." To apply this same standard to day to day living, you would have to believe that you're giving away your money to the bank when you put it in a savings account. This seems fairly absurd on the face of it, but some people really believe it about the Social Security Trust Fund, simply because it's "the government." But no, SSTF funds and payroll taxes aren't "hiding deficit spending," or being given away, or anything so absurd. Like any good retirement program, it's growing every day until the day it's actually spent on sending benefits to a senior.

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It would have been helpful if the President hadn't idiotically made deficit hysteria.. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #1
Count on DU to have someone try to turn anything into a smear on Obama. TheWraith Dec 2011 #3
it only took one post for a lame anti-obama smear to show up. ahh.. DU... dionysus Dec 2011 #10
Who would trust the administration to protect Social Security at this point? girl gone mad Dec 2011 #20
Yes, the meme of the imaginary Social Security cuts returns. TheWraith Dec 2011 #25
What you've written is outside of my point. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #27
No one has argued that? There have been DOZENS of assertions of that just on DU. TheWraith Dec 2011 #36
... elleng Dec 2011 #5
k&r rhett o rick Dec 2011 #2
Thank you. It really irked me that every Republican presidential candidate said "we all know ... Scuba Dec 2011 #4
For being so relatively simple, a LOT of people don't understand it. TheWraith Dec 2011 #11
you are correct. Plus, where some of this meme came from was when FICA revenues fell short of wiggs Dec 2011 #6
Good fact PATRICK Dec 2011 #8
Bingo. Going into red ink is the entire point of the Trust Fund. TheWraith Dec 2011 #9
Thanks, Wraith! elleng Dec 2011 #7
Glad I could help your mood. :) nt TheWraith Dec 2011 #12
Where is the money kept for the trust fund? Snake Alchemist Dec 2011 #13
Well, THAT should stop Republican demagoguery and fear-mongering on the subject gratuitous Dec 2011 #14
There is no "shorter full benefits horizon." TheWraith Dec 2011 #15
Define "insolvent" econoclast Dec 2011 #16
Spot on analysis exboyfil Dec 2011 #18
Nice..... sendero Dec 2011 #19
Our reserve currency status is not very important in the scheme of things. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #22
I disagree.. sendero Dec 2011 #33
The US doesn't borrow. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #21
By that definition, there is no such thing as solvency for Social Security. TheWraith Dec 2011 #35
Some Investment lacrew Dec 2011 #17
Try fact-checking yourself. You just come off as knowing nothing. TheWraith Dec 2011 #26
EXACTLY!!! It pure GOP bull shit JUST like the GOP under the Bush administration put the USPS Justice wanted Dec 2011 #23
Two words: unified budget joshcryer Dec 2011 #24
At some point government income is going to have to exceed government expenditures.. Fumesucker Dec 2011 #28
Investing the social security trust fund in government securities was a stupid move Taitertots Dec 2011 #29
Your plan has to assume that income taxes on the rich could have been raised instead muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #31
Why couldn't they increase the tax rate for the rich? Taitertots Dec 2011 #32
Perhaps it should muriel_volestrangler Dec 2011 #34
I don't buy into the counter productive framing imposed on the situation Taitertots Dec 2011 #38
Sorry, but that's a big load of Republican talking points. TheWraith Dec 2011 #37
The money was taken from the workers to support huge tax decreases on the wealthy Taitertots Dec 2011 #39
Yes, it's got a trust fund Yo_Mama Dec 2011 #30
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