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In the discussion thread: Florida 'first time offender' gets 161 years in prison. [View all]

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 12:23 PM

ladjf (13,182 posts)

76. I have always dreamed of moving to Florida simply because of it's attractive Geographical

situation. However, unbelievable deterioration of the political system during the past couple of decades has totally changed my views. I would be afraid to live in such a screwed up place.

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Florida 'first time offender' gets 161 years in prison. [View all]	Swede	Jul 2012	OP
You had me till I saw he shot at a dog.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#1
I wonder what they'll throw at Zimmerman.	HopeHoops	Jul 2012	#17
5 years with time off for good behavior.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#45
It was seven armed robberies	Yo_Mama	Jul 2012	#44
he didn't kill anyone and it looks like he was the fall guy. 161 years = cruel & unusual.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#62
His prosecution was on the Federal level and you are holding the State of Florida accountable.	lpbk2713	Jul 2012	#2
It's the headline from the article.	Swede	Jul 2012	#4
Good grief. If he'd killed someone, or victimized children	mzmolly	Jul 2012	#3
He's black	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#5
Yep, American Exceptionalism, we ain't got no bigotry or racism!	RKP5637	Jul 2012	#54
BS!	benld74	Jul 2012	#6
I have no sympathy whatsoever for this thug.	Archae	Jul 2012	#7
Your mentality is the reason why the United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#8
You ever been robbed?	Archae	Jul 2012	#10
Yes I have.	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#11
life no, but certainly a stint.	dionysus	Jul 2012	#31
And also look at how many are in for petty drug offenses, and often the	RKP5637	Jul 2012	#57
Nine times. Yup-- nine times-- six at gunpoint	LanternWaste	Jul 2012	#82
And armed criminals like him are the reason we have such high murder rates	hack89	Jul 2012	#13
it looks like he was the fall guy for the rest of the gang who plea-bargained.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#63
Having the highest incarcertation rate, even if true, doesn't mean they should not be incarcerated.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#23
the sentence is obscene but are you saying one shouldn't be jailed for armed robbery?	dionysus	Jul 2012	#29
I think the prison systems are privitized and there have	Maraya1969	Jul 2012	#39
No, this guy is the kind of guy we want imprisoned.	Chan790	Jul 2012	#40
There were 6 other guys, they plea-bargained and got 9-22 years. The only evidence against	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#65
Outcome-based justice would put the public at increased risk	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#48
The young man has a medical/chemical brain disorder.	underseasurveyor	Jul 2012	#59
If you want to cut down on gun violence then criminals with guns need to be hammered	hack89	Jul 2012	#9
Exactly, but we are supposed to be sympathetic with this thug.	Archae	Jul 2012	#12
There were 6 other guys. The only evidence against this guy is their testimony that he alone	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#66
I bet he thought they were his friends for life.	Nuclear Unicorn	Jul 2012	#91
"first conviction", perhaps, but not for a singular offense.	NYC_SKP	Jul 2012	#14
I thought all these things, too. It's not really a first offense when there are 7 separate crimes...	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#24
convicted solely on the testimony of the 6 other guys who plea-bargained down. no ID by any	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#64
I wasn't at the trial, and the article doesn't go through all the evidence. It wasn't his first	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#92
Interesting they sentenced him on each individual count....	Historic NY	Jul 2012	#15
Convicted of 7 armed robberies those multiple counts add up quick.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#16
If he floats he is guilty and must be burned as a witch.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#18
+1	Egalitarian Thug	Jul 2012	#19
Except that the trial is over -- he was convicted of 7 crimes with evidence.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#20
Never question authority.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#21
WTF?	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#22
wtf does that even mean. are you saying armed robbers shouldn't be jailed?	dionysus	Jul 2012	#30
But, of course. Just another soft on crime liberal. n/t	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#32
some folks here seem to be against jailing anyone. was just wondering if you'd clarify what you said	dionysus	Jul 2012	#33
That system, which we call the 'legal system',	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#34
i agree with you that the criminal justice system is fucked up in many ways.	dionysus	Jul 2012	#35
Oh, the justice system is flawed and you think at some time it wasn't.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#36
Never thought so. Your crystal ball is broken.	Cerridwen	Jul 2012	#37
Does it really matter if it's 161 or 99 w/o parole? It's a life sentence, and he won't live	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#25
This message was self-deleted by its author	think	Jul 2012	#26
First time caught and convicted. Not a first-time criminal, nor a first-time violent criminal.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#27
you know that how?	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#84
It has something to do with actually reading the article. It's not that difficult. Try it.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2012	#86
perhaps you could cut & paste the section that talks about what his violent crimes before these	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#87
he should get some time for armed robbery if he's guilty but WTF...	dionysus	Jul 2012	#28
First appearance in a court, but found guilty of 7 counts of armed robbery. I'm ok with the sentence	JVS	Jul 2012	#38
Part of the return to feudalism is the abandonment of rehabilitation	alcibiades_mystery	Jul 2012	#41
AMEN!!!! +10000	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#42
Wow	Life Long Dem	Jul 2012	#43
Yes, if he was white he might only have gotten 75 years or so	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#49
Or he might have gotten between 9 and 22 years, which is what the 6 other guys in the gang	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#67
He chose his friends poorly	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#71
OK. Find a white guy in Florida who committed seven armed robberies, brandishing a gun about,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#56
Jack Abramoff only got 43 months in federal Prison	MrScorpio	Jul 2012	#46
I'm more comfortable with crooked lobbyists on the street than 7-time armed robbers (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#53
some rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#68
Your comparison is flawed	mythology	Jul 2012	#55
Some thieves use a gun to rob, others use United States congress critters	MrScorpio	Jul 2012	#60
A "string of armed robberies" makes him more than a first-time offender	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#47
Wouldn't armed robberies numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 be his second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#50
try reading the story.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#69
You left out the part where he was convicted of 7 armed robberies	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#51
Yeah, from the headline I was expecting that some guy stole a soda from Burger King	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#52
you forgot the part where he was convicted on only the testimony of the other criminals, who	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#70
Yes, prosecutors offer deals to people who agree to testify.	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#78
the testimony of criminals in exchange for reduced sentences being notably reliable	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#85
We're talking about the sentencing here.	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#88
5/6 got sentences under 23 years. One got a sentence of 161 years. Wake up & smell the coffee.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#89
What coffee would you like me to smell?	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#90
seems all you have to do in Florida to get around the mandatory minimum	reorg	Jul 2012	#94
an outrageous sentence that demonstrates what to expect if you don't "admit" what you're accused of	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#95
Yep. Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas codified.	msanthrope	Jul 2012	#79
Forgive me, but I don't know-	xfundy	Jul 2012	#58
Rehabilitation? What a quaint idea.	hay rick	Jul 2012	#61
im not interested in rehabilitating violent felons	rdking647	Jul 2012	#73
It's views like yours that give us a rescission rate of over 60%.	white_wolf	Jul 2012	#80
commit a couple of violent felonies,get locked up for life	rdking647	Jul 2012	#93
7 armed robberies with a gun,fireing the gun and he was an adult.....	rdking647	Jul 2012	#72
Do people in this thread realize this kind of shit was a primary cause of the American Revolution?	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#74
Wow, I never realized that armed robbers being sent to prison sparked the American Revolution.	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#96
Read the Bill of Rights some time.	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#98
Federal Court, Not the State System.	NCTraveler	Jul 2012	#75
I have always dreamed of moving to Florida simply because of it's attractive Geographical	ladjf	Jul 2012	#76
This was a Federal case, not a state case.	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#100
Regardless. My negative comments about Florida stand. I wouldn't want to live anywhere that	ladjf	Jul 2012	#102
a guy in tacoma killed his wife, cut her up, put her in fireplace a few years ago...	progressivebydesign	Jul 2012	#77
Given that the majority of 1st time offenders never become 2nd time offenders ...	ieoeja	Jul 2012	#81
I just hope the posters cheering this on start to wonder why	Blue_Tires	Jul 2012	#83
Yes. If I'm ever unlucky enough to be in court for committing 7 armed robberies,	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#97
so no one in this thread can find a happy medium	Blue_Tires	Jul 2012	#99
Is 80 years a happy medium for you?	JVS	Jul 2012	#103
My friend who is in prison for multiple robberies got only 23 years	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#101

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