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chknltl

(10,558 posts)
67. Hey there fellow dem.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:24 AM
Jul 2012

I've been waging my own debate Upthread, hadn't gotten around to seeing how the rest of this thread was playing out. This post of yours caught my eye though. The whole time I was reading it I couldn't but help reflect on how the corporatists slowly took over the GOP. Todays republicans are not even remotely close in ideology to what was considered moderate conservativeism of the Eisenhower era.

Their party was taken over, and ours is being taken over by the same corporate intrests. My hat is off to you because you are NOT gonna sell out on your principles. The suckers on the right...well they sold out, hopefully many of them will figure that out at some point but that's not why I wanted to speak with you.

I heard something on the radio, (progressive radio AM 1090) and now I dearly wish I could tell you WHO I heard it from but this may be a source of encouragement for you regarding The Affordable Healthcare Act. Apparently, there is a little discussed addition to the act put in there by Sen. Bernie Sanders. If memory serves, in 2016, the addition grants the states an ability to improve on the new health care law. In Vermont, Sen. Sanders has already gotten state approval to improve on the Affordable Healthcare Act changing it over to a full single payer system In 2016. Currently, Sen. Sanders is lobbying to get things moved up to 2014 for his state.

The radio discussion went on to say that Vermont will not be the only state to do this by 2016. They talked about how once the American Public got to see the success of those single payer states they would force their own states to do the same. The discussion went on about how Canada had to go through something similar, that their health care system wasn't at first accepted by all provinces but needed time to evolve.

I dearly wish I could provide a link for you bvar22, perhaps you could find out more over at Senator Sanders's website. Fwiw Thom Hartman and Sen. Sanders feel that this Affordable Healthcare Act is a step in the right direction. I would follow either of these guys off a cliff if that is where they thought it wise to lead me. That said, after reading this very post of yours that I am responding to, I am damn proud to have you on our side.
I only posted that bit that I heard on the radio, not to be yet another voice of disagreement, but to perhaps give you a small measure of hope.

Since you said "please". Wait Wut Jul 2012 #1
Because he said please. Zalatix Jul 2012 #63
I love this rant. OKNancy Jul 2012 #2
K & R. n/t pnwmom Jul 2012 #3
THE ONLY FOCUS NOW SHOULD BE THE ECONOMY. russspeakeasy Jul 2012 #4
This right and good, because it puts LABOR at least near the cat-bird-seat . . . patrice Jul 2012 #8
We NEEEEED to discover & value what we really do share, more than what our differences are patrice Jul 2012 #5
I'm already doing what has been asked. TexasTowelie Jul 2012 #6
Personally, I think this is the wrong strategy... kentuck Jul 2012 #7
The gut level of what we are dealing with does not necessarily respond to nice. There are ways of patrice Jul 2012 #10
My point is: kentuck Jul 2012 #15
"Nice" loses. Chan790 Jul 2012 #23
When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty.... kentuck Jul 2012 #25
Sorry but no. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #105
if you were in a foxhole with a freeper and the corporatists were coming... chknltl Jul 2012 #37
You always "shoot" an ally you can't trust. Chan790 Jul 2012 #43
advocating for a civil war... chknltl Jul 2012 #49
If you're advocating that we need be allies with conservatives, you're with the corporatists... Chan790 Jul 2012 #50
There is one enemy where You would make two chknltl Jul 2012 #55
Why not "keep it simple" and VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT? xtraxritical Jul 2012 #97
i do, have done so since i turned 18. chknltl Jul 2012 #111
Wish I could rec this post 1000 times. woo me with science Jul 2012 #132
hey there woo me... chknltl Jul 2012 #133
Uhm this is absurd. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #106
Hmm freepers are not citzens of America? chknltl Jul 2012 #120
Right...whatever kenfrequed Jul 2012 #121
you speak of politicians, I speak of citizenry. chknltl Jul 2012 #130
Rhetoric of violence, anyone? PavePusher Jul 2012 #89
2 points, though you can probably guess both of them. Chan790 Jul 2012 #96
"Your mealy pacifism..." WTF? PavePusher Jul 2012 #98
Hmm. Chan790 Jul 2012 #116
Precisely kenfrequed Jul 2012 #108
Here's a thought Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #36
What gets Democrats to The Polls? bvar22 Jul 2012 #44
Good post. People need to pay attention. newthinking Jul 2012 #65
And what keeps them at home is bashing their President. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #115
Why can't we do both? silverweb Jul 2012 #16
Yes. kentuck Jul 2012 #19
... silverweb Jul 2012 #47
It's not the wrong strategy, it's just HARD TO FOLLOW. Speaking for myself. Zalatix Jul 2012 #64
I don't know if the strategy has ever, for any Dem Policy... Sheepshank Jul 2012 #84
You're right, that's what K. Rove et. al. do - plot and scheme how to float xtraxritical Jul 2012 #101
Nah Marrah_G Jul 2012 #9
Nobody wants you to change your views. We are trying to figure out how each of us can USE our own patrice Jul 2012 #12
Except the zero sum thinking is in the OP and projected at people who don't agree with him. EFerrari Jul 2012 #62
What is amazing is over and over the strategy causes lost opportunity newthinking Jul 2012 #66
I don't know if this guy qualifies as leadership but I would like to submit this EFerrari Jul 2012 #68
K&R! This is so true. Treat a win as a win and stop the incessant kvetching BlueCaliDem Jul 2012 #11
Did John send a copy to Ben Nelson, too? How about Max Baucus? Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #13
Keep pretending that we are making "incremental steps." woo me with science Jul 2012 #14
+100000! n/t RufusTFirefly Jul 2012 #17
Thanks for the demonstration. boppers Jul 2012 #26
It's all you have. nt woo me with science Jul 2012 #30
If I could build a giant puppet, and join a drumming circle, I'm sure I could make more change. boppers Jul 2012 #48
I don't think anyone is asking you to do that. rudycantfail Jul 2012 #112
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #51
Invisible rec for this post. progressoid Jul 2012 #61
+1,000,000 (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2012 #73
..he said, proving the point of the OP... dionysus Jul 2012 #75
It would almost be funny in it's confirmation of the OP Sheepshank Jul 2012 #85
+100000000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #131
I'm pure! Auntie Bush Jul 2012 #18
The DLC is why the 1996 election was one of the lowest turnouts ever Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #38
"All of these kids are from planned pregnancies!" gtar100 Jul 2012 #60
This is some rant! treestar Jul 2012 #20
Good rant. DevonRex Jul 2012 #21
We can't do it Flatpicker Jul 2012 #22
no thanks. iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #24
I prefer to target conservatives DJ13 Jul 2012 #27
exactly. iamthebandfanman Jul 2012 #46
Identity politics is for neophytes. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #52
Politics before good government? That's the republican way. FreeBC Jul 2012 #28
Excellent read, and damned excellent advice. Thanks for posting. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2012 #29
What did we "WIN" ? bvar22 Jul 2012 #31
This thread was directed at you... and you still dont get it scheming daemons Jul 2012 #34
A WHOLE Thread? bvar22 Jul 2012 #40
If you're on medicare (if voting dem 46 years, sounds like you are), no more "donut hole" SunSeeker Jul 2012 #58
So in order to .... bvar22 Jul 2012 #95
The tax penalty runs around $90/year & no enforcement mechanism besides deduction from tax refunds. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #107
My criticisms are FAR from anything YOU will find on Fox news, and you know it. bvar22 Jul 2012 #113
I didn't say you were a wing-nut, just that you [your post] sounded like it. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #117
Bogus Nonsense to discourage honest discussion and honest evaluation of Party Policy. bvar22 Jul 2012 #118
Comparing the ACA to terrorism is not an "honest discussion." nt SunSeeker Jul 2012 #119
I see you still "got nothin". bvar22 Jul 2012 #122
Saving 45,000 Americans from death each year is not a "minor political victory for a small group." SunSeeker Jul 2012 #123
More Distortions, misdirection, and outright false claims. bvar22 Jul 2012 #124
"Bodily orifice"? No, I pulled it off Google. SunSeeker Jul 2012 #125
Oh well, if you found it on Google, it MUST be true. bvar22 Jul 2012 #127
In concrete terms. What have I "won"? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #39
THIS: Amonester Jul 2012 #56
Hey there fellow dem. chknltl Jul 2012 #67
So, you're a big fan of FDR??? PBass Jul 2012 #70
In case you missed it, further down the thread, PBass Jul 2012 #71
Social Security and Medicare established a firm FOUNDATION. bvar22 Jul 2012 #94
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #32
We need to be able to develop the skill to respond to statements with which JDPriestly Jul 2012 #33
Well, there he goes again hfojvt Jul 2012 #35
That is how it looks on MY radar. bvar22 Jul 2012 #41
+1 TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #45
As a liberal, I am very happy. I like progress, and I like doers, not talkers. PBass Jul 2012 #69
No, Cole was a big Iraq war booster.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #78
In the OP, he said 2006 or 2007 himself hfojvt Jul 2012 #86
Cole is nearly all the way to full metal jacket dirty fucking hippie.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #102
"rich people are not Democrats" hfojvt Jul 2012 #83
John Cole is at this point in his career a DLC water carrier rudycantfail Jul 2012 #114
k&r spanone Jul 2012 #42
This! nt tblue37 Jul 2012 #53
May I ask a simple question? kentuck Jul 2012 #54
Once a control freak, always a control freak. n/t EFerrari Jul 2012 #57
K&R SunSeeker Jul 2012 #59
K&R!!!!! October Jul 2012 #72
Just remember; (opposed to forgetting)... amerciti001 Jul 2012 #74
Will you be providing relocation to places like Canada and the United Kingdom as well? TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #82
Hmm, gee, then what was I doing in 2010? 2008? 2006? 2004? 2002? 2000? DRoseDARs Jul 2012 #76
Dem leadership needs to take some cues warrprayer Jul 2012 #77
"Quit shitting the bed!" Greybnk48 Jul 2012 #79
You do realize that Cole is talking about *both* sides, right? Fumesucker Jul 2012 #80
No, I didn't know that. Greybnk48 Jul 2012 #87
Almost all Republicans are authoritarians these days.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #104
I hate warrprayer Jul 2012 #92
Huge K&R! Bobbie Jo Jul 2012 #81
Damn! arthritisR_US Jul 2012 #88
another example of someone unclear of what a DISCUSSION board is yurbud Jul 2012 #90
I don't think you're reading the polling zipplewrath Jul 2012 #91
your last paragraph applies far, far more to Dem elected officials and party functionaries than us yurbud Jul 2012 #93
The author doesn't seem to have much experience (or knack!) for public speaking... Romulox Jul 2012 #99
PS: LOL at ANOTHER "ex" Republican trying to boss us around and kill dissent! Romulox Jul 2012 #100
This ELECTION may be DECIDED on PUBLIC PERCEPTION of the ACA Martin Eden Jul 2012 #103
Thank you. Ship of Fools Jul 2012 #129
A win that is not a win... dtom67 Jul 2012 #109
For once, understand that it doesn't matter if it's the good cop or the bad cop that jails you. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #110
Well said! silverweb Jul 2012 #126
Good advice, but won't happen kctim Jul 2012 #128
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