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MineralMan

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17. Freeloaders is a very poor term for people to use.

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:55 PM

Jul 2012

If people are poor, then the society should help them with medical care.

If people can actually afford to pay for their healthcare or insurance to cover it, then they should do that. If they don't they are "free riders."

The whole idea of a mandate, with the protections built in for those who cannot afford either to pay for or insure against health care costs, is what we're talking about. Any system that provides health care for all is going to involve people paying into it, even when they don't need healthcare. A sane system covers those who cannot pay into it, too. Any of us could find ourselves in that position at any time. Stuff happens to people.

"Freeloader" implies that someone is poor because they want to be, and want to be taken care of by the rest of us. That's not what this is about at all.

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In other nations "freeloaders" are called citizens [View all] whatchamacallit Jul 2012 OP

Why are you asking DUers this? You should be asking the teabaggers and freepers. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #1

Because it is being used here, by a few people. We expect it from teabaggers sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #2

Here whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #3

Have any more links? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #7

Possibly whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #9

Oh I see SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #11

Poll_Blind refers to some posts with similar messages below whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #14

Thanks I didn't see those SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #16

This "freeloaders" meme has been going on since Hiilary Clinton, under whose candidacy the... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #18

And here too, lots of threads with this sort of talk in them: Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #4

And Nancy Pelosi calls them "freeriders" instead of "freeloaders". Listen to her here: Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #8

She is not talking about people who can't afford it SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #21

None of my friends defrauded the healtcare system, which is what she implies. Have yours? Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #23

No, none of my friends have either SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #25

"So, when they get sick, then they think they can just dip into it and that makes it more... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #27

Thanks for showing me that. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #32

The reason why the quote from the President begins with "First, ..." it's because the words which... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #35

If you have resources, the hospital will come after you.. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #34

Free riders is better - just like the unions use SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #5

And Unions are some of the ones best suited to responding constructively to this perceived patrice Jul 2012 #29

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #30

Yep. AND some of those are the MOST financially powerful of us all. Others, the least! patrice Jul 2012 #33

I don't like that framing either. Solly Mack Jul 2012 #6

If they don't villify the 44 million Americans who don't have insurance as "freeloaders" then... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #10

*The ACA provides freedom and opportunity to all Americans* CJCRANE Jul 2012 #12

Freedom. Doesn't that imply choice? nt Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #15

Freedom from the worry of crippling debt... CJCRANE Jul 2012 #19

The threat of crippling debt is not going to go away SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #22

Try again without the (surprsingly weak) word games. Does "freedom" imply choice? nt Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #24

Of course it implies choice... CJCRANE Jul 2012 #28

I have no ProSense Jul 2012 #13

Freeloaders is a very poor term for people to use. MineralMan Jul 2012 #17

Agree 100% with everything you said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #20

This is ProSense Jul 2012 #31

It's interesting that another entity can decide what we can afford whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #36

Problem ProSense Jul 2012 #39

Again whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #41

I did no such thing. n/t ProSense Jul 2012 #42

Exactly n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2012 #44

Bill Maher is now using 'freeloader'... PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #26

In this context, freeloaders are people who don't pay for their own healthcare JDPriestly Jul 2012 #37

I suppose seeking health care only when you need it could be viewed as irresponsible whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #38

In Those Nations, All Citizens Pay Into Their Healthcare System Yavin4 Jul 2012 #40

Yeah it's all the same whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #43

The Corp. That Provides Your Electricity Is Private Yavin4 Jul 2012 #46

Verbal Ju Jitsu-use THEIR insults against THEM! Drives them crazy. ErikJ Jul 2012 #45

Ya know, if it's directed toward people who HAVE wealth and refuse to pay into the system.... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #47

Thanks Captain Condescension whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #48

It's a process, it's steps in the right direction. Here... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #49