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cemaphonic

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74. Quoting from the OP
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 02:40 PM
Mar 2017

Under #2 - Security through Hegemony.

By concentrating power onto smaller neighbors they are practiced at installing friendly governments in its neighbors that would provide a buffer from aggressive large countries. It usually is a positive cost/benefit formula. Usually not requiring force but when it does, like Czechoslovakia in 1968, it is a temporary high profile exercise followed by controlling an autonomous friendly client state.


OP isn't exactly calling the Warsaw Pact voluntary, but is couching it in terms that make it sound a whole lot less hostile and totalitarian than the actual situation was. The puppet governments themselves may have been friendly to Moscow, but they were anything but autonomous, nor did they an any way reflect the wishes of the populations they ruled over.
Russia is not our Adversary [View all] grantcart Mar 2017 OP
If "Russia is not our adversary"... regnaD kciN Mar 2017 #1
Comey just confirmed both political parties were hacked in 2016 by Russiansbut that only Democratic Cha Mar 2017 #2
Russia attacked the US and that is not the actions of a friend Gothmog Mar 2017 #78
And so the Isaac Deutscher thesis still holds..... elfin Mar 2017 #3
I never saw the blue book essay on the west coast. grantcart Mar 2017 #4
The chapter in our text concentrated on the warm water port urgency Russia felt elfin Mar 2017 #10
I see grantcart Mar 2017 #13
Attack our democracy equals Adversary, with my easy math. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #5
Your easy math equals your easy read which stopped at the title. grantcart Mar 2017 #12
Actually that's how you read my post. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #60
The misdeeds of Putin and his cronyies cannot be separate from the Russian state Gothmog Mar 2017 #79
"Winter is Coming" nt fleabiscuit Mar 2017 #86
When you say, "Russia doesnt want to dominate Europe," do you include Eastern Europe? RelativelyJones Mar 2017 #6
No what I said was that they have wanted to control Eastern Europe sine 1600 grantcart Mar 2017 #8
All that aside, how does this not make Russia adversarial? RelativelyJones Mar 2017 #22
advesary is a binary term grantcart Mar 2017 #24
"The Russian people are not our adversaries or our enemies. " In that case Germany wasn't our ... uponit7771 Mar 2017 #35
Exactly, it would mean there is no such thing as an adversary BainsBane Mar 2017 #44
+1, we'd be in the same boat if we were in the same boat with Bush and Iraq ... the American people uponit7771 Mar 2017 #45
I agree. Russia is not our adversary. Xolodno Mar 2017 #7
They see us as an obstacle. They don't want to destroy us but simply create grantcart Mar 2017 #9
True as they don't want to destroy the US. Xolodno Mar 2017 #14
I believe the Putin regime is an adversary. Russia not so much stevenleser Mar 2017 #11
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Mar 2017 #18
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #36
LA Times - "Moscow welcomes the (would-be) sovereign nations of California and Texas" TomCADem Mar 2017 #15
That murderous kleptocrat Putin is most certainly our adversary. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #16
So the entire Russian People are our advesaries grantcart Mar 2017 #25
No, the Russian people are Putin's victims. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #30
The OP isn't Putin is not our adversary, it is Russia is not our adversary grantcart Mar 2017 #33
Putin is NOT French uponit7771 Mar 2017 #38
and Russia is not Putin grantcart Mar 2017 #39
Again, in that case Germany was never Hitler after Poland uponit7771 Mar 2017 #40
I don't know why you're doing this, grantcart. SunSeeker Mar 2017 #64
Exactly, agree Sculpin Beauregard Apr 2017 #101
Question to Comey & Rodgers... Historic NY Mar 2017 #17
i think when we say Russia we mainly mean Putin JI7 Mar 2017 #19
Sorry but that is not what they said. grantcart Mar 2017 #26
when talking about politics it is about the Russian Govt which is Putin and this is especially JI7 Mar 2017 #47
St Petersburg was glorious! I also went to an old medieval city and Moscow but bettyellen Mar 2017 #70
Warm water port? tirebiter Mar 2017 #20
adversarial: moondust Mar 2017 #21
It is a complex issue grantcart Mar 2017 #29
Agree with you in the main. ucrdem Mar 2017 #23
Interesting post. Thanks grantcart. ♡ eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #27
Point #1 Separation Mar 2017 #28
From the article grantcart Mar 2017 #31
I suggest any American that believes Russia/Putin is not an adversary read the following: Nevermypresident Mar 2017 #32
I believe that any person who equates grantcart Mar 2017 #37
Your post isn't about the Russian people vs. the Putin regime BainsBane Mar 2017 #43
Does the following not "read" adversarial toward our liberal democracy of the U.S.? Nevermypresident Mar 2017 #48
With the advent of solid rocket ICBM's Russia became America's enemy for all time. gordianot Mar 2017 #34
They interferred with our election to place a fascist in power BainsBane Mar 2017 #41
absolutely still_one Mar 2017 #49
The OP is ignoring these facts Gothmog Mar 2017 #80
Russia already had access to warm water ports in the Black Sea Kaleva Mar 2017 #42
Rostove on the Don is a river port, 20 miles upstream from the Sea of Azov Lurks Often Mar 2017 #67
The seaport is located on the shores of the Sea of Azov Kaleva Mar 2017 #69
The map at wikipedia says otherwise Lurks Often Mar 2017 #76
The port of Novorussk is one of the largest in Russia Kaleva Mar 2017 #83
It's a moot point, Russia is not going to give up the Crimea and Lurks Often Mar 2017 #84
Putin (and the rest of his authoritarian Russian govt.) IS our adversary. pnwmom Mar 2017 #46
We are at war with Eastasia... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #50
The same comments almost exactly applied to Saddam's Iraq. Think about it. nikibatts Mar 2017 #51
The republican party is our adversary texasfiddler Mar 2017 #52
Why sure! ananda Mar 2017 #53
Right or wrong, when George W Bush was president, world opinion of the U.S still_one Mar 2017 #54
I find the hypothesis to be a distinction without a difference. Exilednight Mar 2017 #55
Russia's ultranationalism is disturbing and frankly a threat to the world. joshcryer Mar 2017 #56
If you're not a mole, you sound like one Juliusseizure Mar 2017 #57
Russia is our adversary. And I mean the Russian populace. Try visiting there. I have. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #58
I see the Russian regime as our adversary bigtree Mar 2017 #59
I think some on this thread missed your point, but I think ms liberty Mar 2017 #61
Russia is governed by a criminal organization. kentuck Mar 2017 #62
What term would you use to describe our relationship ? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #63
I respectfully disagree. Putin is the de-facto leader of Russia. Tatiana Mar 2017 #65
Whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Mar 2017 #66
#2 - Characterizing the Warsaw Pact states as "autonomous" and "friendly" is an offensive lie. cemaphonic Mar 2017 #68
It would be nice for the OP to say how he would characterize our relationship with Russia. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #71
Quoting from the OP cemaphonic Mar 2017 #74
The Warsaw Pact was a hell of a cordon sanitaire. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2017 #75
How does Duginist geopolitics fit that benign framework? GliderGuider Mar 2017 #72
Putin is not just after Eastern Europe. He considers Finland and Sweden as Russian satellites. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #73
Russia is not our friend and I strongly disagree with the premise of the OP Gothmog Mar 2017 #77
Russia is our adversary. There is no question about it and the game of semantics doesn't work. NCTraveler Mar 2017 #81
"U.S.A has done it, too, by one expert's count, more than 80 times worldwide between 1946 and 2000." Hoyt Mar 2017 #82
What's your point? Cary Mar 2017 #85
Then call up your Congresspeople and tell them you support war with Russia. Hoyt Mar 2017 #87
I see. Cary Mar 2017 #90
It never ceases to amaze me how foolish some... MicaelS Mar 2017 #88
They don't understand that Russia is not socialist or communist but full on Fascist now. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #97
Putin is not Russia tavernier Mar 2017 #89
We can vote Trump out next time...But Putin will kill any of his opponents...thus Putin is Russia. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #96
I am Latvian American. tavernier Mar 2017 #98
He is a terrible person...and you go against him...you risk your life. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #99
Uhhh... they are now! Adrahil Mar 2017 #91
They most definitely are our adversary. roamer65 Mar 2017 #92
Putin and his mobs bosses are the enemy and they rule Russia. Like saying Hitler was the enemy in McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #93
They attacked our electoral democracy itself. They are not adversaries, they are enemies geek tragedy Mar 2017 #94
Russia is our enemy and has been for many years. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #95
Prominent "leaders" in our party remain silent on this important fact... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #100
Amen sister... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #102
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