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Honeycombe8

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111. Here's an article that explains how it works, when it applies & doesn't.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jun 2012

It would be a "well exam," a checkup, by a PRIMARY physician (not a specialist). That would be an internal med. dr. or a GP (POSSIBLY a gyn, but I'm not sure about that....I think I didn't have to pay a copay for my annual gyn well exam last year).

It doesn't apply to that lab bill we always get in the mail later. It's only the copay at the dr.'s office (or mammogram facility).

Here's the article. NOTE THAT IF THE DR INSISTS ON A COPAY BUT THE PATIENT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT, THE PATIENT CAN REQUEST A REIMBURSEMENT/REFUND, but I'm not sure from whom. I think it's discussed in the following article.

I'm guessing that dr. soon won't be able to get away with that. Once a dr. charged me a $50 copay, when it should've been $25. When I got the statement of benefits from the ins. co., it showed the copay as $25, not $50. I called the ins. co., and they said they can't do anything about that. They said I shouldn't have paid the $50! Like I had a choice.

http://www.wbur.org/2011/11/28/free-preventive-care

When Is Preventive Care Free And When Do You Pay?

By Martha Bebinger November 28, 2011


BOSTON — The still-relatively new federal health care law makes dozens of preventive tests free for patients. Doctors or hospitals are not supposed to charge patients for annual check-ups, most screening tests and a dozen other services such as tobacco cessation. This provision began taking effect more than a year ago, but there is still confusion about how it works.

Arelis Gomes, an outreach coordinator at Health Care for All, spends her days deciphering and explaining the Affordable Care Act, or ACA. For more than a year now she’s been telling consumers that they will no longer have to pay anything for preventive care.


Arelis Gomes points out the free preventive care information in her Health Care for All brochure. (Martha Bebinger/WBUR)

So, when Gomes arrived at her doctor’s office a few weeks ago for her annual check-up, she was surprised when the receptionist asked her for a co-pay.

“And I said, ‘Actually I know for a fact that under the ACA we do not have to pay a co-pay for this visit because it’s a preventative visit,’ ” Gomes remembers telling the receptionist. “And she said ‘No, I’m not aware of that and we’re not allowed to take you in today for this visit if you don’t pay the co-pay.’ ”

After a frustrating back and forth, with her husband looking on, Gomes paid the co-pay.

Gomes appealed the payment with her insurer and expects to receive a rebate. As Gomes shares her story to friends and audiences, she says many people don’t know they are not supposed to be charged for preventive care.

Among people who do know, there is still confusion about what is free and what is not. If you go in for an annual check-up the visit won’t cost you anything but you will still have a charge for the lab work your doctor orders. And some tests may start off as a preventive screening, but then switch to a diagnostic test if a doctors finds a problem.

Take, for example, a colonoscopy. It will not cost you anything unless the doctor finds a polyp, which happens fairly often. If the doctor does find a polyp while you are lying there on the table, the test is no longer a preventive screening, it’s a procedure and there will be a charge.

Jill Madigan, a self-employed 57-year-old, found this out during a call to her insurer.

“I said, ‘If they bill it as routine and they find polyps, are you going to say it’s not routine?’ ” Madigan asked the insurance representative. “And she said yes.”

Some patients would just get a bill for the co-payment. But if Madigan’s preventive colonoscopy becomes a surgical procedure to remove polyps, she’d be expected to pay the full charge — about $1,500, because she has a deductible.

So is she thinking about skipping the test?

“Well, yeah, I’ve been thinking about it,” Madigan said. “The likelihood is that I probably will have the test. I’m not sure I’m willing to take that risk with my life and yet, the whole system is messed up.”

Messed up, Madigan says, because if she declined the test but eventually needed colon surgery, it would cost much more than a colonoscopy.

Now, to be clear, before the health care law was passed, Madigan would have had to pay for the test whether it was preventive or not. But she and other patients are upset by what now feels like a bait and switch.

The option of free, preventive care is coming at a time when more and more patients have deductibles or rising co-payments.

Dr. Tom Hines, president of the Massachusetts Academy of Family Physicians, mentions the example of a woman coming in for a pap smear. If that test shows something abnormal it triggers the need for a more specialized test.

“It’s not an uncommon situation for a patient to delay that follow-up appointment,” Hines said. “If you unearth something, it’s important to follow up on the problem that’s been unearthed.”

Supporters of the law say it’s important not to overlook the benefits of encouraging patients to get preventive care. Employers and insurers still pay for the visits and tests, they just don’t pass along any costs to the patient.

“It is a clear advantage for the employee or retiree as the case may be,” said Dolores Mitchell said, who runs the Massachusetts Group Insurance Commission, which covers more than 350,000 retirees, employees and their families. She says the lesson, while there is still confusion about this part of the law, is to ask a lot of questions about what your doctor is prescribing and why.

“It’s a good thing to be a pushy patient who asks questions,” Mitchell said. “There are an awful lot of procedures out there that are subject to some difference of opinion about what’s preventive. It will take some shakedown time before it all gets resolved.”

In the meantime, your insurance company should have a list of procedures considered preventive, for which you won’t be charged. Here are the lists for some of the states largest insurers:
Blue Cross Blue Shield
Harvard Pilgrim Health Care
Tufts Health Plan

Then to whom do I apply for a refund? (NT) Zavulon Jun 2012 #1
The benevolent insurance companies. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #6
Good. Maybe after 6-8 months of paperwork I will Zavulon Jun 2012 #17
Hmm. cliffordu Jun 2012 #45
The IRS is hiring 16,000 new enforcement agents specifically to collect fines for ACA. Sirveri Jun 2012 #46
Fuck Ron Paul! NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #54
YEP- FUCK RON PAUL. cliffordu Jun 2012 #73
I saw it posted by another poster here. Sirveri Jun 2012 #80
Because it's cheaper to pay the fine. Zavulon Jun 2012 #84
You don't provide data about your situation to back up your post. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #103
Do you have any proof that employers have to pay a fine?? cliffordu Jun 2012 #109
Who is your ins. company? In what state? Let's check this out and get this taken care of. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #51
Kaiser, Virginia (although both co-pays were collected in DC). Zavulon Jun 2012 #86
Our benefit reps advise our retirees LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #104
Here's an article that explains how it works, when it applies & doesn't. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #111
Your doctor. Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #35
Yes, I think it's the DOCTOR who incorrectly charges the copay. Remember, it's free for PREVENTIVE Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #52
Thanks. Zavulon Jun 2012 #87
No need to apply. mzmolly Jun 2012 #43
I thinfk if I had any refund coming for those visits Zavulon Jun 2012 #85
The refunds haven't been sent mzmolly Jun 2012 #110
Duplicate mzmolly Jul 2012 #118
IIRC the refund is issued to the client who holds the policy -- elehhhhna Jul 2012 #116
On edit, I've read differing mzmolly Jul 2012 #117
I've paid a copay every single time I went to every one of my doctors this year. Electro Jun 2012 #2
Hello bigwillq Jun 2012 #5
Thanks and Electro Jun 2012 #7
You can do it now. Welcome to DU! gkhouston Jun 2012 #25
It applies to your annual physical, and certain other exams Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #36
I was charged a co-pay for my annual physical exam- back in March of 2012. nt Dr Fate Jun 2012 #101
Call your insurance company and tell them they BROKE THE LAW. tridim Jun 2012 #107
It is now the law of the land that PREVENTIVE well exams do not have copay amounts. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #56
What are annual exams? n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #3
+1 Le Taz Hot Jun 2012 #23
Hey, sweetie. EFerrari Jun 2012 #28
I went through that myself until recently. xmas74 Jun 2012 #92
I hope it goes well for you. :) EFerrari Jun 2012 #94
thank you. xmas74 Jun 2012 #96
Not silly at all! EFerrari Jun 2012 #98
It's the one you get the same year a truck runs you over. Then they tell you to go away... freshwest Jun 2012 #42
Unless, I believe, your doctor diagnoses a new condition. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #4
What are you talking about. I always pay a co-pay. But I am not complaining. I have southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #8
$400/mo for a family of 4 is FABULOUSLY cheap insurance. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #16
I guess the prospect you come from. My son is a cook. Over $400 a month for terrible southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #24
I know someone who was laid off GObamaGO Jun 2012 #93
Wow, what the heck the guy suppose to do? Give them a damn leg for payment? LOL awful southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #95
Apparently they were supposed to stop paying their mortgage GObamaGO Jun 2012 #97
$400/mo. is cheap for an entire family. That doesn't mean it's easy for anyone to afford, but it's Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #57
I pay $225/mo, but that's thanks to the Teamster's Union NickB79 Jul 2012 #114
You are entitled to a general check up once a year without charge, Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #37
I live at the at doctors office unfortunately. I thought he/she was talking in general. I misunder southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #77
A specialist is not a well exam. A well exam is where you go to the dr once a year... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #58
I'm on Tricare sammytko Jun 2012 #60
I am not talking about tests. I didn't either. How do you like Tricare Primary? I love it. southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #75
The company I was with sold it as something they did for us SoutherDem Jun 2012 #9
So who has an annual exam? DURHAM D Jun 2012 #10
ha... i was sayin. but, if i dont have to pay, i may have one, lol. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #12
I'm booking an appointment with an ob/gyn as we speak. xmas74 Jun 2012 #81
remember the day when that use to be a given. preventative covered. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #82
I'm glad to see that it's covered again. xmas74 Jun 2012 #90
yup. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #106
what about eye doctor. my son has his yearly on monday. $160 for me. seabeyond Jun 2012 #83
Yep. intheflow Jun 2012 #88
oh geez... i never had eye issue, no one in our family did. everyone in hubbies family seabeyond Jun 2012 #105
I don't know about the eye. xmas74 Jun 2012 #91
sigh... lol, ya. nt seabeyond Jun 2012 #108
sheeeit, i just pay thru hsa cause i have a piece of shit insurance. seabeyond Jun 2012 #11
I've never had to pay a co-pay for preventive visits n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #13
No one told the insurance companies! CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FRACKING NOW!1!1! Zorra Jun 2012 #14
Your once a year check-up with your primary doc Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #38
Thanks! Zorra Jun 2012 #99
IIRC this only applies to NEW policies. If you have an old pre-ObamaCares policy kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #15
Yes, or ProSense Jun 2012 #18
Problem is, if you have ever seen a doctor for squat, you have a pre-existing condition kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #19
Really? Electro Jun 2012 #20
No, that part goes into effect Jan 2014. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #22
Website is not really that easy to understand. intheflow Jul 2012 #113
Somebody found an estimator online from some university I think kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #115
There is an option available now - Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #59
I checked out PCIP on the advice of a friend. It would cost me $500/mo. If I had that kind of money kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #74
Not true: we had the same old policy and didn't have to co-pay for the physical frazzled Jun 2012 #31
Interesting. I read that differently at the time it was written - Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #40
Not sure about that. I have a new employer and new plan, but it was no copay under old plan.... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #61
my annual exams are free...medicare! madrchsod Jun 2012 #21
Um, no. Matariki Jun 2012 #26
Um, yes. The ins. co. CAN put some restrictions, I guess, but I'm not sure it can, regarding copay Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #63
YES. And for my kids too, even though I have a high-deductible plan. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #27
Yes frazzled Jun 2012 #29
I paid full price for all medical services last year because I wasn't going to pull anything out of RB TexLa Jun 2012 #30
No. I still have to pay every time I go to the doctor. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #32
My insurance already covered annual exams before ACA as passed with no copay. n/t tammywammy Jun 2012 #33
The problem is copays and deductibles apply to any follow up care those annual exams may indicate dflprincess Jun 2012 #34
Still paying co-pays.. Some companies are ahead of the curve. other's waiting for 2014. glowing Jun 2012 #39
It is required for some plans. Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #41
Perhaps its a Florida thing, but we are still paying co-pays... My son's physical yesterday was glowing Jun 2012 #48
There's a quirk I wasn't aware of - Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #49
That is against the law. That provision went into effect a year or so ago. It is the drs. who charge Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #64
I've never paid a copay for preventative stuff Skittles Jun 2012 #44
I hadn't been to the doctor for a long time and was having some issues maryellen99 Jun 2012 #47
We ran into that quirk, as well... Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #53
I knew I was going to have to pay a part of it going in maryellen99 Jun 2012 #62
Yes. Before patients had to pay for colonoscopies. NOW they only don't have to pay IF nothing is Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #66
WHAT?! I just paid co-pay to get my BP taken! WinkyDink Jun 2012 #50
You can take your bp yourself. Why would you go to a dr. for that? nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #68
Because it was taken earlier by a dentist, and it was sky-high. I needed meds for the first time. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #78
Oh.....that's not a "well exam." That's a diagnostic exam for a problem. Copays apply. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #112
I've had to pay. AngryOldDem Jun 2012 #55
It is against the law to be charged a copay for a preventive well exam Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #65
Do you know the exact date this started? flamingdem Jun 2012 #76
I cannot imagine such a luxury as an annual exam. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #67
Not a very good deal MadrasT Jun 2012 #69
We still need to pay for labwork Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #70
I paid a co-pay, plus $100 for labwork for my physical exam. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #102
I noticed I haven't had insurance for more than 2 years, so NO. undeterred Jun 2012 #71
I don't get annual exams but my wife just got a colonoscopy without copay cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #72
Actually Xyzse Jun 2012 #79
I notice that you've been living a privileged existence where you had health insurance intheflow Jun 2012 #89
No. I paid a co-pay 3 times this year alone. Who do I write to to get my money back? nt Dr Fate Jun 2012 #100
Nothing has changed for me... always have to pay copays budkin Jul 2012 #119
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