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NickB79

(19,114 posts)
32. Kennesaw, Georgia already has such an ordinance on the books
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/04/18/us-usa-crime-shooting-town-idUSN1719257620070418

The town north of Atlanta had little prominence until it passed a gun ordinance in 1982 that required all heads of a household to own a firearm and ammunition.

Kennesaw's law was a response to Morton Grove, Illinois, which had passed a gun ban earlier that year as a step to reduce crime.

But it also was an affirmation of what gun advocates say is a blanket U.S. constitutional right, under the Second Amendment, for citizens to keep and bear arms. Gun opponents challenge that right and say the language in the Constitution is open to interpretation.

The Kennesaw law has endured as the town's population has swelled to about 30,000 from 5,000 in 1982.


What was your point again?
Don't forget your broccoli sharp_stick Jun 2012 #1
+1 maddezmom Jun 2012 #6
you forgot light bulbs, lol madmom Jun 2012 #38
+2. Silly argument is silly. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #165
+3 You're NOT forced to buy anything. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #171
No, you just pay a penalty if you don't. Think I'm wrong? Then READ THE ACTUAL LAW. Zalatix Jun 2012 #262
And that's the FIRST time ANYONE has EVER paid taxes on supporting something they don't get. TheWraith Jun 2012 #278
Just so long as they didn't make me buy bullets... thecrow Jun 2012 #253
You know ... frazzled Jun 2012 #2
Yeah, because "liberty" is so ... last year. Bake Jun 2012 #50
I'm afraid you don't get it frazzled Jun 2012 #96
Oh I get it, all right. Bake Jun 2012 #107
In this case, SCOTUS = Bader Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer, and the Chief Justice frazzled Jun 2012 #115
YOU don't get it. SCOTUS is the entire Court. Bake Jun 2012 #159
People are too caught up in the victory to consider the consequences IndyPragmatist123 Jun 2012 #120
Some of us figured it's best we are going to get when time was short. Hoyt Jun 2012 #211
And most importantly, those pages only have to pass a blue state legislature jeff47 Jun 2012 #242
You're aware that the Canadian and UK systems have far more egregious mandates, right? TheWraith Jun 2012 #276
BINGO!! The Penn and Teller crowd are losing their minds here. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #69
The folks making these kinds of arguments need to go to a libertarian or Republican board? Zalatix Jun 2012 #75
When your argument relies on libertarian talking points, yes. TheWraith Jun 2012 #279
So opposing the individual mandate, which was conceived of by the Heritage Foundation Zalatix Jun 2012 #281
If you were arguing based on facts, you might have an argument. TheWraith Jun 2012 #284
I am arguing based on facts. I cited my facts. You have no cites. Your logic is laughable. Zalatix Jun 2012 #287
You of course realize that the US did NOT use the Canadian or British model nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #289
I hope the government makes everyone buy the Star Trek DVD's. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #3
I'm afraid they'll make me buy 'Jersey Shore: The Best of Snooki' pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #11
I draw the line at Star Trek: Enterprise. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #51
That'd be the penalty clause for people who didn't get the others. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #140
I hope it makes everyone buy my novel treestar Jun 2012 #82
DU is extra-funny today. LAGC Jun 2012 #202
Moot? Chan790 Jun 2012 #4
+1 obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #76
What if I already own some? Do I need more? Pathwalker Jun 2012 #5
Not likely, but I'd probably opt to pay the tax taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #7
The difference is that healthcare is a biological neccessity. Proles Jun 2012 #8
Ridiculous, why? The US Supreme Court just said it's constitutional. Zalatix Jun 2012 #56
No they didnt say it's constitutional to make you buy a gun CreekDog Jun 2012 #218
The Supreme Court said it's constitutional TO FORCE YOU TO MAKE PURCHASES. Zalatix Jun 2012 #222
No, they didn't. jeff47 Jun 2012 #244
Mandatory purchases or PAY THE PENALTY. Zalatix Jun 2012 #245
This is so convenient. I can just cut-n-paste my post. jeff47 Jun 2012 #246
And I can cut and paste my post, which unlike your incoherent ranting, has actual facts. Zalatix Jun 2012 #247
Perhaps you should actually look up the SCOTUS ruling jeff47 Jun 2012 #251
Ah I see what your problem is. Zalatix Jun 2012 #252
So, you've now decided to move on to divine law? jeff47 Jun 2012 #254
LOL YOU'RE the one who is taking a Supreme Court justice's decision as WORD OF GOD. Zalatix Jun 2012 #257
The Supreme Court's decision... BlueCheese Jun 2012 #166
i Get it But Iggy Jun 2012 #178
I would argue that those things are not items loyalsister Jun 2012 #200
Totally Agree Iggy Jun 2012 #261
Want to breathe? You have to buy health insurance? progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #209
Well, we're all forced to buy road repairs--why aren't people crying about that? MADem Jun 2012 #228
Its absurd BECAUSE its about forcing people to buy guns. elleng Jun 2012 #9
I believe it is time to give it up, Zalatix. n/t Control-Z Jun 2012 #10
Why? Because you dictate that I should? Please. Zalatix Jun 2012 #25
What, couldn't find a dead horse to beat? mac56 Jun 2012 #28
It's not a dead horse. And I'm going to keep at it forever, until this law goes away. Zalatix Jun 2012 #42
Awesome. You're my new hero. mac56 Jun 2012 #43
Good luck telling people to stop fighting for what they believe in. Zalatix Jun 2012 #44
I think somebody needs a nap. mac56 Jun 2012 #45
I don't care what you "think". Zalatix Jun 2012 #52
Sadness. Profound, consummate sadness. mac56 Jun 2012 #59
Like I said... have a nice day! Zalatix Jun 2012 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #138
Ah, the posts-per-day lame childish attack. Because you've got nothing productive to add. Zalatix Jun 2012 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #148
Yes it is lame. Because you've got nothing productive to add. I should be ashamed, because WHY? Zalatix Jun 2012 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #157
Oh look everybody, Zal has a fan club, yay! Tejas Jun 2012 #174
When you cannot win an argument, ATTACK SOMEONE'S POST COUNT lol Zalatix Jun 2012 #250
RW trolls usually don't have anything BUT name-calling Tejas Jun 2012 #150
+100, thanks! Zalatix Jun 2012 #154
:) - n/t Tejas Jun 2012 #175
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #158
Aw, you can dish it out but you can't take it? Zalatix Jun 2012 #183
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #272
Backed into a corner, now you have to resolve to childish name calling. Way to go! Zalatix Jun 2012 #290
a real lol Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #299
Oh come on where have you been? CreekDog Jun 2012 #221
Right Wing trolls are the ones who are defending the Heritage Foundation's brainchild. Zalatix Jun 2012 #223
Are you calling Obama a right wing troll? CreekDog Jun 2012 #234
Democrats tore into Mitt Robbedme over passing a mandatory purchase law in Mass. Zalatix Jun 2012 #237
I wasnt one off them CreekDog Jun 2012 #248
Now you've gone overboard treestar Jun 2012 #298
Are you calling long time posters right wing trolls? nt LaurenG Jun 2012 #270
We're being accused of posting right wing arguments. Zalatix Jun 2012 #275
being accused because that's what you are doing CreekDog Jun 2012 #277
And you are being accused of RW trolling because that's what you're doing. Zalatix Jun 2012 #280
I'm not being accused of right wing trolling CreekDog Jun 2012 #288
Yep bongbong Jun 2012 #160
Hmmm Son of Gob Jun 2012 #217
Edit: You don't have any logical argument so you resort to a childish attack on post counts. Zalatix Jun 2012 #238
Weak? bongbong Jun 2012 #273
Yet another weak argument. Bordering on trolling. Zalatix Jun 2012 #274
Without looking, I had a feeling....n/t Control-Z Jun 2012 #173
LOL Iggy Jun 2012 #179
Have you thought of this - treestar Jun 2012 #86
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #102
Have you thought of this? X-ray technicians, medical insurance call centers... Zalatix Jun 2012 #110
Huh? Now people can afford to get their treatment in the US treestar Jun 2012 #112
Convoluted logic. Zalatix Jun 2012 #123
Every profession has to get into the school first treestar Jun 2012 #125
I hope nursing schools open up, because they haven't had enough new openings up to now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #129
You are bound and determined to rain on our parade, aren't you? randome Jun 2012 #12
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #16
This ruling rained on my day, so yeah, I am making use of my right to express an opinion. Zalatix Jun 2012 #65
is hand-wringing a pre-existing condition? Seems to be a virus here on DU sometimes. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #70
The only way it should rain on your day is treestar Jun 2012 #89
Well said, treestar. If a problem affects others and not me then it shouldn't rain on my day. Zalatix Jun 2012 #95
Duh, the problem affects us all and not treestar Jun 2012 #117
You're a poor reader of people if you think that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #126
Then why are you against other people joining in the pool and having insurance treestar Jun 2012 #128
WTF... Zalatix Jun 2012 #132
unless you're willing to buy insurance for everyone in America, you could at least... CreekDog Jun 2012 #205
This "reform" will do none of the sort. Zalatix Jun 2012 #206
Please dont post false right wing memes about the law CreekDog Jun 2012 #214
I'm not lying. Everything I said was error-free. You have no case. Zalatix Jun 2012 #236
People who have no insurance need to have the option, period end of story. LaurenG Jun 2012 #291
Oooh, you said period, end of story. I guess that'll shut me up. NOT. Zalatix Jun 2012 #292
So people don't need insurance? LaurenG Jun 2012 #294
Fear mongering? I gave you cites of where it is actually happening. Zalatix Jun 2012 #296
Look Don Quixote we have to start somewhere LaurenG Jun 2012 #304
Look Ostrich, we are going in the WRONG direction with an individual mandate. Zalatix Jun 2012 #308
Ha! Really so you'd rather go back to the days of Bush where there was no hope? LaurenG Jun 2012 #309
So drive a Ford instead of a Cadillac treestar Jun 2012 #300
+1 million treestar Jun 2012 #87
If "what if" is all you got... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #13
Actually, mandatory gun ownership was once the law in the United States. Zalatix Jun 2012 #37
It's still a "what if" that has zero to do with healthcare TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #60
It has everything to do with health care. Zalatix Jun 2012 #66
Wow, wasn't expecting a direct quote from Michelle Bachmann TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #168
I wasn't expecting you to celebrate the fulfillment of a Heritage Foundation dream. Zalatix Jun 2012 #191
Sorry you won't have a chance to vote for Rep. Bachmann for president this year TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #196
Why bother when the Heritage Foundation and RomneyCare 2.0 already conquered America? Zalatix Jun 2012 #197
Switzerland liberal N proud Jun 2012 #14
I would take my free Gov't Glock and trade it for drugs and booze and sex jpak Jun 2012 #15
Hmmm Remmah2 Jun 2012 #22
actually we are already forced to purchase guns- Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #17
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #19
ah the old rightwing slippery slope bullshit. Swede Jun 2012 #18
Actually, mandatory gun ownership was once the law in the United States. Zalatix Jun 2012 #46
Next up,marriage to turtles. Swede Jun 2012 #63
I guess the idea of "Mandatory purchase laws" means nothing to you? Zalatix Jun 2012 #78
I guess the rightwing meme "slippery slope" means nothing to you? Swede Jun 2012 #100
Perhaps "history" means nothing to you? Zalatix Jun 2012 #105
You are using the slipper slope arguement. Swede Jun 2012 #116
I am using the "it happened in America in the past" argument. Zalatix Jun 2012 #139
If it happened in the past, it could happen in the future, regardless of today's events. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #155
Unless of course history never repeats itself. Zalatix Jun 2012 #224
It's dogs obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #99
Did you read your own post? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #108
Oddly enough, I was just talking about that two days ago obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #127
Well I blame Hollywood for that one nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #145
Ha! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #161
Great minds think alike!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #163
I did. The Government did pass mandatory gun purchase laws. Zalatix Jun 2012 #226
A LOCAL government nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #230
The Federal Government passed mandatory gun ownership laws. Zalatix Jun 2012 #231
I know where it comes from nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #232
Taxes are not the same as being forced to purchase a corporation's product. Zalatix Jun 2012 #235
I would rather prefer single payor nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #239
I don't think you're the enemy. Mandatory purchases of private company goods is the enemy. Zalatix Jun 2012 #241
Well it is not, but it is all over Free Republic nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #265
The idea of an individual mandate was originated by the Heritage Foundation Zalatix Jun 2012 #266
And social security started with the Grangers nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #267
Wait a second. I don't oppose the ACA. I never said I oppose the whole ACA. Zalatix Jun 2012 #268
Since it is pretty unenforceable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #269
Do you think congress would be willing to levy taxes for this type of protection. nt NCTraveler Jun 2012 #20
Because there are other ways of defending yourself than using a firearm? Arkana Jun 2012 #21
Unique? How so? Zalatix Jun 2012 #27
Because if you do not have health insurance you make other people foot your medical bills. Arkana Jun 2012 #118
The tax for people who opt out of buying a gun would be less than the cost of a gun slackmaster Jun 2012 #23
Meh, spilled milk tooo late, nce try DainBramaged Jun 2012 #24
I'll worry about that when it happens Generic Brad Jun 2012 #26
There was a time when the fedeal government mandated every male of age own a gun. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #29
i think geo. washington did just that didnt he? leftyohiolib Jun 2012 #30
How about this, the government has already determined that you should save for retirement hughee99 Jun 2012 #31
Kennesaw, Georgia already has such an ordinance on the books NickB79 Jun 2012 #32
My point is, would you want to live there? Zalatix Jun 2012 #54
I have lived there. Go Vols Jun 2012 #71
So people who oppose guns would be happy to live there? Zalatix Jun 2012 #144
I'm not sure. Go Vols Jun 2012 #164
Anyone who opposes guns would NOT want to live in a place Zalatix Jun 2012 #188
Actually I don't think they enforce the law. spin Jun 2012 #282
Some people keep saying the individual mandate is not all that easy to enforce. Zalatix Jun 2012 #283
I've heard the same thing ... spin Jun 2012 #286
If law enforcement was broken to the point... Make7 Jun 2012 #33
we don't need guns for the daily CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS here KurtNYC Jun 2012 #34
Is my lack of a gun costing other people money? ecstatic Jun 2012 #35
I adore the word "if"-- it covers so many distempers. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #36
Yeah, like when "the Government" told me "for safety's sake" we had to invade Iraq KansDem Jun 2012 #39
I would do my damndest to support the election of a Congress that would repeal such a law onenote Jun 2012 #40
It would never pass. cottonseed Jun 2012 #41
Welcome to my Ignore list. I am really sick of your pee in my Wheaties. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #47
+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #48
+2 n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #72
Oh for fuck's sake... WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #49
Ok, I will buy it, but that doesn't mean I have to USE it HockeyMom Jun 2012 #53
That question belongs on a freeper site Auggie Jun 2012 #55
Healthcare is about whether you LIVE or DIE in many instances. tabatha Jun 2012 #57
But healthcare insurance corporations are NOT about whether you live or die. Zalatix Jun 2012 #67
Perhaps your post should have been "How can we get rid of insurance corporations?" progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #77
No, because my beef is with the Government mandating that I purchase something Zalatix Jun 2012 #81
... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #185
You do realize that mandatory purchases of health insurance is a RW dream, right? Zalatix Jun 2012 #187
Right, and also, insurance spreads the risk treestar Jun 2012 #90
how much of our money goes to corporations who are getting Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #83
Already paying for an entire military MichiganVote Jun 2012 #58
that's right- hell of alot more than one gun Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #92
Oh you forgot other agencies with guns nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #240
What if they force you to buy an annuity and get rid of social security? dkf Jun 2012 #61
It's not unprecedented. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #62
Like in Kennesaw, GA immoderate Jun 2012 #93
I have to buy car and home insurance. Soo..... progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #68
Not hyperbolic, it actually happened before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #73
I would insist on a year's free visits to the shooting range obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #74
What if the comparison mzmolly Jun 2012 #79
Then why did DUers previously use mandatory gun purchase laws to justify this law? Zalatix Jun 2012 #84
You'd have to ask them. mzmolly Jun 2012 #91
But the funny part is that the very mandate they were citing, mandated GUN OWNERSHIP Zalatix Jun 2012 #98
It was not hailed as justification. mzmolly Jun 2012 #111
It was my understanding that it once did treestar Jun 2012 #80
I bet a lot of anti-gun people would like that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #85
Yup, George Washington signed that law /nt frazzled Jun 2012 #97
It was only males over a certain age obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #103
That was due to discrimination existing at the time treestar Jun 2012 #113
Who doesn't want health insurance? Beaverhausen Jun 2012 #88
In the beginning of the Spanish Civil War, that is practically what the Second Republic did Taverner Jun 2012 #94
They already fucking do - TBF Jun 2012 #101
yes! Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #109
Zalatix, get over it. You'll have another chance when Congress votes on it. nt gateley Jun 2012 #104
Sorry, you don't get to dictate to me to "get over it". Zalatix Jun 2012 #114
They already do mandate all sorts of things TBF Jun 2012 #121
Exactly what does the Government make you purchase, just because you are breathing? Zalatix Jun 2012 #124
This is like anything else we are mandated to buy vis a vis taxes - TBF Jun 2012 #131
Uh, no. Not just no, but hell no. Zalatix Jun 2012 #134
Well, yes you do in many cases - TBF Jun 2012 #141
Corporate prisons - THAT is the #3 biggest thing that needs to be abolished. Zalatix Jun 2012 #142
How do they pay for their social security now? TBF Jun 2012 #147
you pay many private corporations Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #152
I think the argument is that... BlueCheese Jun 2012 #167
... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #184
You do realize that mandatory purchases of health insurance is a RW dream, right? Zalatix Jun 2012 #190
... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #186
The Heritage Foundation thanks you for fighting for them! Zalatix Jun 2012 #193
If a frog had wings would it still bump it's ass when it hopped? liberal N proud Jun 2012 #106
What if the sun refused to shine? What if the clouds refused to rain? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #146
If worms had guns then birds wouldn't fuck with them. hack89 Jun 2012 #263
Sure as long as I can buy guns of my choice from current military inventory at Government cost KatChatter Jun 2012 #119
I sure as hell am not putting Government ammo into my guns obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #130
If you can buy from Gov stock KatChatter Jun 2012 #162
Do I have to buy another one, or is the one I own OK? MineralMan Jun 2012 #122
People who mock this idea... Zavulon Jun 2012 #133
Yup, exactly. And it has happened before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #135
If the 1%ers ever truly felt threatened Teamster Jeff Jun 2012 #136
To be more true to the analogy, if I were forced to buy a gun or pay a tax for police services.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #137
Didn't your edit just contradict the entire purpose of this post? ieoeja Jun 2012 #149
or condoms spanone Jun 2012 #151
It's been done before. Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring gun ownership while I lived there. auburngrad82 Jun 2012 #156
I would pay the penalty quaker bill Jun 2012 #169
Then move to Canada bigwillq Jun 2012 #170
I'd buy a nerf gun. randome Jun 2012 #172
A law signed by George Washington in 1792 did exactly that for all adult males. ET Awful Jun 2012 #176
The NRA Has This Iggy Jun 2012 #177
Slippery slope is a logical fallacy Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #180
It's not a slippery slope if it actually HAPPENED before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #194
No, it's a slippery slope argument that the ACA ruling will lead to it happening again Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #212
Ah, so those who don't learn from history are NOT bound to repeat it. Gotcha. Zalatix Jun 2012 #215
What makes you think we don't already own one? Deb Jun 2012 #181
I already have a gun, so I'm set. As for you, as long as I don't have to pay for your funeral or Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #182
Or buy a Government Motors car every three years... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #189
I think you're making a good case for shortening your name CreekDog Jun 2012 #203
Are you trying to insult someone here? Zalatix Jun 2012 #207
Are you? CreekDog Jun 2012 #213
Government Motors, straight out of the RW dictionary Son of Gob Jun 2012 #219
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #220
Yeah because owning a gun is just like denying you will never need healthcare. jillan Jun 2012 #192
Yawn. Robb Jun 2012 #195
This is so much different. Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #198
Which I would also like to add that with this decision was mentioned something about the precedent Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #199
uhh, yeah..... alittlelark Jun 2012 #201
Some local governments have enacted mandatory gun ownership laws bluestateguy Jun 2012 #204
The "broccoli argument?" That's a really poor analogy. DirkGently Jun 2012 #208
May I carry my AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #210
Depends on your level of tameshigiri ZenLefty Jun 2012 #243
I am sure I have had the proper training.. AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #256
If tatami mats from outer space invade the earth... ZenLefty Jun 2012 #264
Or, the goverment could allow ER rooms to kick out sick and dying poor uninsured people. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #216
They never will. You are comparing a time in history Rex Jun 2012 #225
The government forces us all to buy guns and lots of other military paraphenalia JDPriestly Jun 2012 #227
Well, if they're willing to subsidize costs for the public, sure! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #229
The government already does. 6000eliot Jun 2012 #233
They did, already, in 1792 Recursion Jun 2012 #249
What if the Government told you that for safety's sake, you must purchase a 50,000 BTU flamethrower? baldguy Jun 2012 #255
No problem here.. Meg_Griffin_1 Jun 2012 #258
The more appropriate analogy would be... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #259
Don't give the GOP ideas. Zalatix Jun 2012 #260
Yes, there is precedent for this... markpkessinger Jun 2012 #271
What if the government told you that you could buy 20 semi-automatic weapons every day? kentuck Jun 2012 #285
Actually, I already *can* buy 20 semi-automatic weapons every day. Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #295
This thread is a RW meme... scheming daemons Jun 2012 #293
I agree riverbendviewgal Jun 2012 #303
When face palm is not enough Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #297
Your road to the day you will regret this individual mandate has already been paved. Zalatix Jun 2012 #301
Oh wow! Who do you think they backed before this? LaurenG Jun 2012 #307
I am very liberal and progressive riverbendviewgal Jun 2012 #302
I'd probably go and start shooting the most JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #305
I can't afford a gun, so the government should provide me with one for free slackmaster Jun 2012 #306
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