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28. What, couldn't find a dead horse to beat?

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What if the Government told you that for safety's sake, you must purchase a gun? [View all] Zalatix Jun 2012 OP

Don't forget your broccoli sharp_stick Jun 2012 #1

+1 maddezmom Jun 2012 #6

you forgot light bulbs, lol madmom Jun 2012 #38

+2. Silly argument is silly. nt sufrommich Jun 2012 #165

+3 You're NOT forced to buy anything. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #171

No, you just pay a penalty if you don't. Think I'm wrong? Then READ THE ACTUAL LAW. Zalatix Jun 2012 #262

And that's the FIRST time ANYONE has EVER paid taxes on supporting something they don't get. TheWraith Jun 2012 #278

Just so long as they didn't make me buy bullets... thecrow Jun 2012 #253

You know ... frazzled Jun 2012 #2

Yeah, because "liberty" is so ... last year. Bake Jun 2012 #50

I'm afraid you don't get it frazzled Jun 2012 #96

Oh I get it, all right. Bake Jun 2012 #107

In this case, SCOTUS = Bader Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, Breyer, and the Chief Justice frazzled Jun 2012 #115

YOU don't get it. SCOTUS is the entire Court. Bake Jun 2012 #159

People are too caught up in the victory to consider the consequences IndyPragmatist123 Jun 2012 #120

Some of us figured it's best we are going to get when time was short. Hoyt Jun 2012 #211

And most importantly, those pages only have to pass a blue state legislature jeff47 Jun 2012 #242

You're aware that the Canadian and UK systems have far more egregious mandates, right? TheWraith Jun 2012 #276

BINGO!! The Penn and Teller crowd are losing their minds here. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #69

The folks making these kinds of arguments need to go to a libertarian or Republican board? Zalatix Jun 2012 #75

When your argument relies on libertarian talking points, yes. TheWraith Jun 2012 #279

So opposing the individual mandate, which was conceived of by the Heritage Foundation Zalatix Jun 2012 #281

If you were arguing based on facts, you might have an argument. TheWraith Jun 2012 #284

I am arguing based on facts. I cited my facts. You have no cites. Your logic is laughable. Zalatix Jun 2012 #287

You of course realize that the US did NOT use the Canadian or British model nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #289

I hope the government makes everyone buy the Star Trek DVD's. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #3

I'm afraid they'll make me buy 'Jersey Shore: The Best of Snooki' pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #11

I draw the line at Star Trek: Enterprise. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #51

That'd be the penalty clause for people who didn't get the others. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #140

I hope it makes everyone buy my novel treestar Jun 2012 #82

DU is extra-funny today. LAGC Jun 2012 #202

Moot? Chan790 Jun 2012 #4

+1 obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #76

What if I already own some? Do I need more? Pathwalker Jun 2012 #5

Not likely, but I'd probably opt to pay the tax taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #7

The difference is that healthcare is a biological neccessity. Proles Jun 2012 #8

Ridiculous, why? The US Supreme Court just said it's constitutional. Zalatix Jun 2012 #56

No they didnt say it's constitutional to make you buy a gun CreekDog Jun 2012 #218

The Supreme Court said it's constitutional TO FORCE YOU TO MAKE PURCHASES. Zalatix Jun 2012 #222

No, they didn't. jeff47 Jun 2012 #244

Mandatory purchases or PAY THE PENALTY. Zalatix Jun 2012 #245

This is so convenient. I can just cut-n-paste my post. jeff47 Jun 2012 #246

And I can cut and paste my post, which unlike your incoherent ranting, has actual facts. Zalatix Jun 2012 #247

Perhaps you should actually look up the SCOTUS ruling jeff47 Jun 2012 #251

Ah I see what your problem is. Zalatix Jun 2012 #252

So, you've now decided to move on to divine law? jeff47 Jun 2012 #254

LOL YOU'RE the one who is taking a Supreme Court justice's decision as WORD OF GOD. Zalatix Jun 2012 #257

The Supreme Court's decision... BlueCheese Jun 2012 #166

i Get it But Iggy Jun 2012 #178

I would argue that those things are not items loyalsister Jun 2012 #200

Totally Agree Iggy Jun 2012 #261

Want to breathe? You have to buy health insurance? progress2k12nbynd Jun 2012 #209

Well, we're all forced to buy road repairs--why aren't people crying about that? MADem Jun 2012 #228

Its absurd BECAUSE its about forcing people to buy guns. elleng Jun 2012 #9

I believe it is time to give it up, Zalatix. n/t Control-Z Jun 2012 #10

Why? Because you dictate that I should? Please. Zalatix Jun 2012 #25

What, couldn't find a dead horse to beat? mac56 Jun 2012 #28

It's not a dead horse. And I'm going to keep at it forever, until this law goes away. Zalatix Jun 2012 #42

Awesome. You're my new hero. mac56 Jun 2012 #43

Good luck telling people to stop fighting for what they believe in. Zalatix Jun 2012 #44

I think somebody needs a nap. mac56 Jun 2012 #45

I don't care what you "think". Zalatix Jun 2012 #52

Sadness. Profound, consummate sadness. mac56 Jun 2012 #59

Like I said... have a nice day! Zalatix Jun 2012 #64

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Ah, the posts-per-day lame childish attack. Because you've got nothing productive to add. Zalatix Jun 2012 #143

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Yes it is lame. Because you've got nothing productive to add. I should be ashamed, because WHY? Zalatix Jun 2012 #153

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Oh look everybody, Zal has a fan club, yay! Tejas Jun 2012 #174

When you cannot win an argument, ATTACK SOMEONE'S POST COUNT lol Zalatix Jun 2012 #250

RW trolls usually don't have anything BUT name-calling Tejas Jun 2012 #150

+100, thanks! Zalatix Jun 2012 #154

:) - n/t Tejas Jun 2012 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #158

Aw, you can dish it out but you can't take it? Zalatix Jun 2012 #183

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Backed into a corner, now you have to resolve to childish name calling. Way to go! Zalatix Jun 2012 #290

a real lol Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #299

Oh come on where have you been? CreekDog Jun 2012 #221

Right Wing trolls are the ones who are defending the Heritage Foundation's brainchild. Zalatix Jun 2012 #223

Are you calling Obama a right wing troll? CreekDog Jun 2012 #234

Democrats tore into Mitt Robbedme over passing a mandatory purchase law in Mass. Zalatix Jun 2012 #237

I wasnt one off them CreekDog Jun 2012 #248

Now you've gone overboard treestar Jun 2012 #298

Are you calling long time posters right wing trolls? nt LaurenG Jun 2012 #270

We're being accused of posting right wing arguments. Zalatix Jun 2012 #275

being accused because that's what you are doing CreekDog Jun 2012 #277

And you are being accused of RW trolling because that's what you're doing. Zalatix Jun 2012 #280

I'm not being accused of right wing trolling CreekDog Jun 2012 #288

Yep bongbong Jun 2012 #160

Hmmm Son of Gob Jun 2012 #217

Edit: You don't have any logical argument so you resort to a childish attack on post counts. Zalatix Jun 2012 #238

Weak? bongbong Jun 2012 #273

Yet another weak argument. Bordering on trolling. Zalatix Jun 2012 #274

Without looking, I had a feeling....n/t Control-Z Jun 2012 #173

LOL Iggy Jun 2012 #179

Have you thought of this - treestar Jun 2012 #86

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #102

Have you thought of this? X-ray technicians, medical insurance call centers... Zalatix Jun 2012 #110

Huh? Now people can afford to get their treatment in the US treestar Jun 2012 #112

Convoluted logic. Zalatix Jun 2012 #123

Every profession has to get into the school first treestar Jun 2012 #125

I hope nursing schools open up, because they haven't had enough new openings up to now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #129

You are bound and determined to rain on our parade, aren't you? randome Jun 2012 #12

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #16

This ruling rained on my day, so yeah, I am making use of my right to express an opinion. Zalatix Jun 2012 #65

is hand-wringing a pre-existing condition? Seems to be a virus here on DU sometimes. n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #70

The only way it should rain on your day is treestar Jun 2012 #89

Well said, treestar. If a problem affects others and not me then it shouldn't rain on my day. Zalatix Jun 2012 #95

Duh, the problem affects us all and not treestar Jun 2012 #117

You're a poor reader of people if you think that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #126

Then why are you against other people joining in the pool and having insurance treestar Jun 2012 #128

WTF... Zalatix Jun 2012 #132

unless you're willing to buy insurance for everyone in America, you could at least... CreekDog Jun 2012 #205

This "reform" will do none of the sort. Zalatix Jun 2012 #206

Please dont post false right wing memes about the law CreekDog Jun 2012 #214

I'm not lying. Everything I said was error-free. You have no case. Zalatix Jun 2012 #236

People who have no insurance need to have the option, period end of story. LaurenG Jun 2012 #291

Oooh, you said period, end of story. I guess that'll shut me up. NOT. Zalatix Jun 2012 #292

So people don't need insurance? LaurenG Jun 2012 #294

Fear mongering? I gave you cites of where it is actually happening. Zalatix Jun 2012 #296

Look Don Quixote we have to start somewhere LaurenG Jun 2012 #304

Look Ostrich, we are going in the WRONG direction with an individual mandate. Zalatix Jun 2012 #308

Ha! Really so you'd rather go back to the days of Bush where there was no hope? LaurenG Jun 2012 #309

So drive a Ford instead of a Cadillac treestar Jun 2012 #300

+1 million treestar Jun 2012 #87

If "what if" is all you got... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #13

Actually, mandatory gun ownership was once the law in the United States. Zalatix Jun 2012 #37

It's still a "what if" that has zero to do with healthcare TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #60

It has everything to do with health care. Zalatix Jun 2012 #66

Wow, wasn't expecting a direct quote from Michelle Bachmann TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #168

I wasn't expecting you to celebrate the fulfillment of a Heritage Foundation dream. Zalatix Jun 2012 #191

Sorry you won't have a chance to vote for Rep. Bachmann for president this year TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #196

Why bother when the Heritage Foundation and RomneyCare 2.0 already conquered America? Zalatix Jun 2012 #197

Switzerland liberal N proud Jun 2012 #14

I would take my free Gov't Glock and trade it for drugs and booze and sex jpak Jun 2012 #15

Hmmm Remmah2 Jun 2012 #22

actually we are already forced to purchase guns- Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #17

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #19

ah the old rightwing slippery slope bullshit. Swede Jun 2012 #18

Actually, mandatory gun ownership was once the law in the United States. Zalatix Jun 2012 #46

Next up,marriage to turtles. Swede Jun 2012 #63

I guess the idea of "Mandatory purchase laws" means nothing to you? Zalatix Jun 2012 #78

I guess the rightwing meme "slippery slope" means nothing to you? Swede Jun 2012 #100

Perhaps "history" means nothing to you? Zalatix Jun 2012 #105

You are using the slipper slope arguement. Swede Jun 2012 #116

I am using the "it happened in America in the past" argument. Zalatix Jun 2012 #139

If it happened in the past, it could happen in the future, regardless of today's events. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #155

Unless of course history never repeats itself. Zalatix Jun 2012 #224

It's dogs obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #99

Did you read your own post? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #108

Oddly enough, I was just talking about that two days ago obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #127

Well I blame Hollywood for that one nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #145

Ha! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #161

Great minds think alike!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #163

I did. The Government did pass mandatory gun purchase laws. Zalatix Jun 2012 #226

A LOCAL government nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #230

The Federal Government passed mandatory gun ownership laws. Zalatix Jun 2012 #231

I know where it comes from nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #232

Taxes are not the same as being forced to purchase a corporation's product. Zalatix Jun 2012 #235

I would rather prefer single payor nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #239

I don't think you're the enemy. Mandatory purchases of private company goods is the enemy. Zalatix Jun 2012 #241

Well it is not, but it is all over Free Republic nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #265

The idea of an individual mandate was originated by the Heritage Foundation Zalatix Jun 2012 #266

And social security started with the Grangers nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #267

Wait a second. I don't oppose the ACA. I never said I oppose the whole ACA. Zalatix Jun 2012 #268

Since it is pretty unenforceable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #269

Do you think congress would be willing to levy taxes for this type of protection. nt NCTraveler Jun 2012 #20

Because there are other ways of defending yourself than using a firearm? Arkana Jun 2012 #21

Unique? How so? Zalatix Jun 2012 #27

Because if you do not have health insurance you make other people foot your medical bills. Arkana Jun 2012 #118

The tax for people who opt out of buying a gun would be less than the cost of a gun slackmaster Jun 2012 #23

Meh, spilled milk tooo late, nce try DainBramaged Jun 2012 #24

I'll worry about that when it happens Generic Brad Jun 2012 #26

There was a time when the fedeal government mandated every male of age own a gun. GarroHorus Jun 2012 #29

i think geo. washington did just that didnt he? leftyohiolib Jun 2012 #30

How about this, the government has already determined that you should save for retirement hughee99 Jun 2012 #31

Kennesaw, Georgia already has such an ordinance on the books NickB79 Jun 2012 #32

My point is, would you want to live there? Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

I have lived there. Go Vols Jun 2012 #71

So people who oppose guns would be happy to live there? Zalatix Jun 2012 #144

I'm not sure. Go Vols Jun 2012 #164

Anyone who opposes guns would NOT want to live in a place Zalatix Jun 2012 #188

Actually I don't think they enforce the law. spin Jun 2012 #282

Some people keep saying the individual mandate is not all that easy to enforce. Zalatix Jun 2012 #283

I've heard the same thing ... spin Jun 2012 #286

If law enforcement was broken to the point... Make7 Jun 2012 #33

we don't need guns for the daily CIRCULAR FIRING SQUADS here KurtNYC Jun 2012 #34

Is my lack of a gun costing other people money? ecstatic Jun 2012 #35

I adore the word "if"-- it covers so many distempers. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #36

Yeah, like when "the Government" told me "for safety's sake" we had to invade Iraq KansDem Jun 2012 #39

I would do my damndest to support the election of a Congress that would repeal such a law onenote Jun 2012 #40

It would never pass. cottonseed Jun 2012 #41

Welcome to my Ignore list. I am really sick of your pee in my Wheaties. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #47

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #48

+2 n/t progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #72

Oh for fuck's sake... WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #49

Ok, I will buy it, but that doesn't mean I have to USE it HockeyMom Jun 2012 #53

That question belongs on a freeper site Auggie Jun 2012 #55

Healthcare is about whether you LIVE or DIE in many instances. tabatha Jun 2012 #57

But healthcare insurance corporations are NOT about whether you live or die. Zalatix Jun 2012 #67

Perhaps your post should have been "How can we get rid of insurance corporations?" progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #77

No, because my beef is with the Government mandating that I purchase something Zalatix Jun 2012 #81

... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #185

You do realize that mandatory purchases of health insurance is a RW dream, right? Zalatix Jun 2012 #187

Right, and also, insurance spreads the risk treestar Jun 2012 #90

how much of our money goes to corporations who are getting Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #83

Already paying for an entire military MichiganVote Jun 2012 #58

that's right- hell of alot more than one gun Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #92

Oh you forgot other agencies with guns nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #240

What if they force you to buy an annuity and get rid of social security? dkf Jun 2012 #61

It's not unprecedented. backscatter712 Jun 2012 #62

Like in Kennesaw, GA immoderate Jun 2012 #93

I have to buy car and home insurance. Soo..... progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #68

Not hyperbolic, it actually happened before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #73

I would insist on a year's free visits to the shooting range obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #74

What if the comparison mzmolly Jun 2012 #79

Then why did DUers previously use mandatory gun purchase laws to justify this law? Zalatix Jun 2012 #84

You'd have to ask them. mzmolly Jun 2012 #91

But the funny part is that the very mandate they were citing, mandated GUN OWNERSHIP Zalatix Jun 2012 #98

It was not hailed as justification. mzmolly Jun 2012 #111

It was my understanding that it once did treestar Jun 2012 #80

I bet a lot of anti-gun people would like that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #85

Yup, George Washington signed that law /nt frazzled Jun 2012 #97

It was only males over a certain age obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #103

That was due to discrimination existing at the time treestar Jun 2012 #113

Who doesn't want health insurance? Beaverhausen Jun 2012 #88

In the beginning of the Spanish Civil War, that is practically what the Second Republic did Taverner Jun 2012 #94

They already fucking do - TBF Jun 2012 #101

yes! Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #109

Zalatix, get over it. You'll have another chance when Congress votes on it. nt gateley Jun 2012 #104

Sorry, you don't get to dictate to me to "get over it". Zalatix Jun 2012 #114

They already do mandate all sorts of things TBF Jun 2012 #121

Exactly what does the Government make you purchase, just because you are breathing? Zalatix Jun 2012 #124

This is like anything else we are mandated to buy vis a vis taxes - TBF Jun 2012 #131

Uh, no. Not just no, but hell no. Zalatix Jun 2012 #134

Well, yes you do in many cases - TBF Jun 2012 #141

Corporate prisons - THAT is the #3 biggest thing that needs to be abolished. Zalatix Jun 2012 #142

How do they pay for their social security now? TBF Jun 2012 #147

you pay many private corporations Bluerthanblue Jun 2012 #152

I think the argument is that... BlueCheese Jun 2012 #167

... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #184

You do realize that mandatory purchases of health insurance is a RW dream, right? Zalatix Jun 2012 #190

... TroglodyteScholar Jun 2012 #186

The Heritage Foundation thanks you for fighting for them! Zalatix Jun 2012 #193

If a frog had wings would it still bump it's ass when it hopped? liberal N proud Jun 2012 #106

What if the sun refused to shine? What if the clouds refused to rain? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #146

If worms had guns then birds wouldn't fuck with them. hack89 Jun 2012 #263

Sure as long as I can buy guns of my choice from current military inventory at Government cost KatChatter Jun 2012 #119

I sure as hell am not putting Government ammo into my guns obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #130

If you can buy from Gov stock KatChatter Jun 2012 #162

Do I have to buy another one, or is the one I own OK? MineralMan Jun 2012 #122

People who mock this idea... Zavulon Jun 2012 #133

Yup, exactly. And it has happened before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #135

If the 1%ers ever truly felt threatened Teamster Jeff Jun 2012 #136

To be more true to the analogy, if I were forced to buy a gun or pay a tax for police services.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #137

Didn't your edit just contradict the entire purpose of this post? ieoeja Jun 2012 #149

or condoms spanone Jun 2012 #151

It's been done before. Kennesaw, GA passed a law requiring gun ownership while I lived there. auburngrad82 Jun 2012 #156

I would pay the penalty quaker bill Jun 2012 #169

Then move to Canada bigwillq Jun 2012 #170

I'd buy a nerf gun. randome Jun 2012 #172

A law signed by George Washington in 1792 did exactly that for all adult males. ET Awful Jun 2012 #176

The NRA Has This Iggy Jun 2012 #177

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #180

It's not a slippery slope if it actually HAPPENED before. Zalatix Jun 2012 #194

No, it's a slippery slope argument that the ACA ruling will lead to it happening again Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #212

Ah, so those who don't learn from history are NOT bound to repeat it. Gotcha. Zalatix Jun 2012 #215

What makes you think we don't already own one? Deb Jun 2012 #181

I already have a gun, so I'm set. As for you, as long as I don't have to pay for your funeral or Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #182

Or buy a Government Motors car every three years... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #189

I think you're making a good case for shortening your name CreekDog Jun 2012 #203

Are you trying to insult someone here? Zalatix Jun 2012 #207

Are you? CreekDog Jun 2012 #213

Government Motors, straight out of the RW dictionary Son of Gob Jun 2012 #219

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #220

Yeah because owning a gun is just like denying you will never need healthcare. jillan Jun 2012 #192

Yawn. Robb Jun 2012 #195

This is so much different. Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #198

Which I would also like to add that with this decision was mentioned something about the precedent Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #199

uhh, yeah..... alittlelark Jun 2012 #201

Some local governments have enacted mandatory gun ownership laws bluestateguy Jun 2012 #204

The "broccoli argument?" That's a really poor analogy. DirkGently Jun 2012 #208

May I carry my AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #210

Depends on your level of tameshigiri ZenLefty Jun 2012 #243

I am sure I have had the proper training.. AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #256

If tatami mats from outer space invade the earth... ZenLefty Jun 2012 #264

Or, the goverment could allow ER rooms to kick out sick and dying poor uninsured people. Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #216

They never will. You are comparing a time in history Rex Jun 2012 #225

The government forces us all to buy guns and lots of other military paraphenalia JDPriestly Jun 2012 #227

Well, if they're willing to subsidize costs for the public, sure! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #229

The government already does. 6000eliot Jun 2012 #233

They did, already, in 1792 Recursion Jun 2012 #249

What if the Government told you that for safety's sake, you must purchase a 50,000 BTU flamethrower? baldguy Jun 2012 #255

No problem here.. Meg_Griffin_1 Jun 2012 #258

The more appropriate analogy would be... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #259

Don't give the GOP ideas. Zalatix Jun 2012 #260

Yes, there is precedent for this... markpkessinger Jun 2012 #271

What if the government told you that you could buy 20 semi-automatic weapons every day? kentuck Jun 2012 #285

Actually, I already *can* buy 20 semi-automatic weapons every day. Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #295

This thread is a RW meme... scheming daemons Jun 2012 #293

I agree riverbendviewgal Jun 2012 #303

When face palm is not enough Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #297

Your road to the day you will regret this individual mandate has already been paved. Zalatix Jun 2012 #301

Oh wow! Who do you think they backed before this? LaurenG Jun 2012 #307

I am very liberal and progressive riverbendviewgal Jun 2012 #302

I'd probably go and start shooting the most JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #305

I can't afford a gun, so the government should provide me with one for free slackmaster Jun 2012 #306