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Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:25 AM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

29. And what do you call those riots in Democratic Europe?

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Offshoring: Should America be impoverished in order to help other populations become better off? [View all]	Zalatix	Dec 2011	OP
We can't impose our will or our lifestyle on the rest of the world either.	Kurmudgeon	Dec 2011	#1
I've no desire to impose anything on any country.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#3
Thats just BS to appease the masses	FreakinDJ	Dec 2011	#2
Comments like that are likely to ENRAGE the masses, drive them to action.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#4
Truth Hurts	FreakinDJ	Dec 2011	#5
No, I don't mean comments like yours, I mean comments like the one I am referring to	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#7
Surprise ! - Not all posters on DU are Americans	FreakinDJ	Dec 2011	#8
Hmmmm, really now? Perhaps therein lies the problem	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#9
We have Canadians here telling us America needs Free Trade	FreakinDJ	Dec 2011	#11
Yes I've met the type	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#13
Can you point me towards one of those posts?	polly7	Dec 2011	#20
That would be against DU rules against "Singleing out a Poster"	FreakinDJ	Dec 2011	#25
ah, I see how that works. ;)	polly7	Dec 2011	#40
We do it because the corporations that determine US policy	mmonk	Dec 2011	#6
That's really the only reason.	Quantess	Dec 2011	#42
I've been thinking about the opposite side of this question	Tsiyu	Dec 2011	#10
Indeed	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#12
Actually, it can work fine when they aren't poor.	dawg	Dec 2011	#15
Comparative Advantage doesn't work.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#21
But you're comparing apples to oranges.	dawg	Dec 2011	#26
Poor or not, if you control manufacturing, you eventually control R&D.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#28
Yes, for the product you manufacture.	dawg	Dec 2011	#34
Well, we are far more productive, this much is true.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#35
The productivity and efficiency of the American worker ...	dawg	Dec 2011	#36
There are tariffs.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#37
traditionally tariffs were for raising revenue for the federal government	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#49
I'm generally opposed to tariffs, but ...	dawg	Dec 2011	#56
The problem is there are two parallel yet unharmonized trade agendas	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#60
That is enlightening.	dawg	Jan 2012	#98
Smoot Hawley did nothing of the sort. Plus, embargoes on US exports are useless now.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#57
So many fallacies in such a short post	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#59
You're still pushing more fairy tales. Here are the documented facts.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#61
I don't think there is any economic issue LESS in dispute Smoot-Hawley	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#66
You seem to want to defend Americans losing jobs. We don't have anything to lose by losing exports.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#67
If you want to advocate fighting a 17th Century trade war, go for it.	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#70
The US heavy industry won't collapse if we hire Americans to build for the American market.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#71
I'm not opposed to tariffs, I am opposed to punitive tariffs.	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#76
More facts debunking the Smoot Hawley myth	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#68
Naturally imports dropped, that is what punitive tariffs do	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#73
Imports dropped far more than exports.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#74
So it was all the depression huh? The massive retaliatory trade barriers were just a coincidence?	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#82
Trade deficits devalue the dollar naturally.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#85
Oh and let me add... to hell with the WTO.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#89
So if I follow you...	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#90
Why do you keep spouting these uninformed opinions? You have no documentation to back them up.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#93
Looking at the calendar... today is Sunday December 31st 2011	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#94
US = Low productivity? Just another of the major errors in your argument	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#95
High US labor productivity is a modern phenomenon	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#96
High US labor productivity is NOT merely a modern phenomenon - where do you get these fantasies from	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#97
"we must fight against the race-to-the-bottom free traders who would have our workers...	LooseWilly	Dec 2011	#53
I mostly mean the policy makers.	dawg	Dec 2011	#55
Indeed. The US trades more with the EU than with China despite China having 3 times the population.	pampango	Dec 2011	#91
What will China and Europe do when America becomes too poor to buy their stuff?	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#101
Once every American family has a decent standard of living, we can consider this.	dawg	Dec 2011	#14
Offshoring is a way corporations make sure everyone is in poverty	lunatica	Dec 2011	#16
All the interconnectivity that's occurred during the past 50 years...	randome	Dec 2011	#17
"resulted in better standards of living" -- not here in the US, though. DECLINING wages, standards	Romulox	Dec 2011	#19
America has problems. No disputing that.	randome	Dec 2011	#23
That's an after-the-fact justification whipped up by the plutocrats; the EXPLOITATION came first,	Romulox	Dec 2011	#27
Hard to afford smart phones on ZERO DOLLARS an hour.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#31
Less war, more revolutions.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#22
Most of the revolutions today come from a desire for democracy.	randome	Dec 2011	#24
And what do you call those riots in Democratic Europe?	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#29
I'd call them not on the same scale as the Arab Spring and other riots.	randome	Dec 2011	#32
It hasn't gotten to that point yet but when it pops...	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#33
Those standards of living will go down drastically with the rapid overuse of resources.	antigone382	Dec 2011	#43
Offshoring currently moves manufacturing toward pollution-heavy countries.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#45
"Free trade" with Korea was the latest neolib betrayal. nt	Romulox	Dec 2011	#18
Good question. Thoughts...	PETRUS	Dec 2011	#30
Resembles the questions over whether or not there should be progressive taxation, social	wiggs	Dec 2011	#38
Your case is nowhere near as strong as you imagine	muriel_volestrangler	Dec 2011	#39
And you are saying "America needs to become poorer" - your case is not strong at all.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#41
Off-shoring doesn't really help the poor in other third world countries - it helps the corporations.	haele	Dec 2011	#44
Post-War prosperity was built on having bombed nearly every other industrialized nation to dust.	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#46
Britain was not 'bombed to rubble'	RZM	Dec 2011	#47
In 1940-1941 England was flattened!	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#51
No it wasn't	RZM	Dec 2011	#52
The Luftwaffe wanted to destroy the RAF et-al and aircraft factories	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Dec 2011	#54
The Luftwaffle wanted to, but they failed.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#58
as long as US prosperity is not built on killing & ripping off other countries & nations;	marasinghe	Dec 2011	#48
Nope	juajen	Dec 2011	#50
Good question	Proud Liberal Dem	Dec 2011	#62
And cheap foreign labor is not cheap.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#64
Right	Proud Liberal Dem	Dec 2011	#65
How "cheap" is it really?	high density	Dec 2011	#79
Outrageously false dichotomy. NAFTA, for example, screwed both sides of the border.	JackRiddler	Dec 2011	#63
NAFTA Is Starving Mexico	polly7	Dec 2011	#81
And to think, America would be even worse than that without welfare.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#86
Better Lives for Mexicans Cut Allure of Going North	pampango	Dec 2011	#92
Will the Mexicans let us go there for jobs?	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#100
Offshoring Mission Accomplished	Octafish	Dec 2011	#69
It's just another way to transfer more weath upward	high density	Dec 2011	#72
Maybe we can force them to pack up and leave, totally	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#75
There needs to be a collective change in the way companies think	high density	Dec 2011	#80
"a family that cares about its own"	grantcart	Dec 2011	#77
Where's my Global Citizenship ID card? Can I move to China for a job with this ID card?	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#78
Apparently you cannot.	grantcart	Dec 2011	#87
Find someone else to sell your One World Government ideas to. I'm flippant and proud of it.	Zalatix	Dec 2011	#88
I see you didn't have an answer to the offshore pollution problem, eh?	Zalatix	Jan 2012	#102
What?	unlawflcombatnt	Jan 2012	#103
Let's talk about the real issue - globalists becoming vastly rich	TBF	Dec 2011	#83
should Americans take a good hard look at their options and their impacts on the global economy?	getdown	Dec 2011	#84
Had the corporations and government agencies had good intentions when they went into these	jwirr	Jan 2012	#99

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