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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
81. I know, that is why we need a global sustainability revolution.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jun 2012

Otherwise it really doesn't matter what size our population is.

We need to reach boldly, toward factories on the moon and resource acquisition off-world, coupled with near-total or total recycling. Nanotech insecticide / insect repellent technology, carbon neutral energy production, fuel cells - all of these mean a huge demand for menial, medium-level and high-level skilled labor.

If this isn't the solution, then guess what... you're the one who will have to lay down and die when the problem explodes in our faces. The Plutocrats will find a nice desert island to hide away with their hoarded goods. If this crash happens 50 years from now, you bet they'll use drones to kill the rest off and take what little they have. 50 years is a LONG time for technology to evolve.

this took a lot of guts from Al-Jazz DonCoquixote Jun 2012 #1
But let's keep on blocking family planning! AnnieBW Jun 2012 #2
So true. applegrove Jun 2012 #3
Republicans keep getting in the way of that one. Megahurtz Jun 2012 #69
I don't like 'doom and gloom' pronouncements. randome Jun 2012 #4
We're headed for a major die-off even if we DO do something and do it fast. nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #6
Agreed. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #13
And maybe if we look at some world statistics we may already be experiencing that die-off. I am jwirr Jun 2012 #18
Aka no American Dream and no middle class lifestyle dkf Jun 2012 #5
Everyone needs to come to grips with what they mean by "population bomb" Zalatix Jun 2012 #7
So we should simply breed ourselves to extinction because someone SOMEWHERE... randome Jun 2012 #9
What do you mean an after tax rate of 10% for each child? morningfog Jun 2012 #10
We have too damned many people, too. randome Jun 2012 #12
Prosperity is the most effective known form of population control. Zalatix Jun 2012 #14
Prosperity also increases resource depletion. randome Jun 2012 #16
So what are you doing to help reduce resource usage? Zalatix Jun 2012 #17
True. I'm selfish. randome Jun 2012 #22
A population of a million could clear cut whole forests. Zalatix Jun 2012 #77
No, education of women is ... eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #74
us fertility rate = 2.1. population growth in the us has been solely due to immigration for HiPointDem Jun 2012 #57
Zalax is correct. Resist. -eom Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #15
And this explains why they do not see the economic division between haves and have nots as bad. jwirr Jun 2012 #19
They pretty much expect the population bomb to do all the social Darwinism work for them. Zalatix Jun 2012 #20
Very good point. jwirr Jun 2012 #21
Actually there are limits to the carrying capacity of any environment nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #24
Any size population in a non-sustainable civilization can exceed its carrying capacity Zalatix Jun 2012 #78
But we are in that chain nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #80
I know, that is why we need a global sustainability revolution. Zalatix Jun 2012 #81
Here is the beauty of it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #82
I like your remarks on this subject. randome Jun 2012 #83
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55
I believe we'll go past 8 billion anyway. Selatius Jun 2012 #8
We will reach a point in the coming decades where the human population will peak and then decline. morningfog Jun 2012 #11
A popular theory starting since at least the 1700s 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #23
Said one bacterium to the other NickB79 Jun 2012 #26
We can grow food 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #27
Food crops aren't the equivalent of agar solution in the scenario NickB79 Jun 2012 #29
"Can you grow the biosphere?" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #35
It can replenish itself if given the chance, but we are degrading it NickB79 Jun 2012 #41
With proper management processes, yes we can 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #43
Do you see proper management processes working on a global level? NickB79 Jun 2012 #53
Yes, to your first question 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #60
I WANT to believe you're right. randome Jun 2012 #63
Seems to be a bit of a jump there The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #72
Good point. randome Jun 2012 #32
Possibly 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #38
Actually nobody has predicted species extinction nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #36
Ok, so replace extinction with population crash 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #39
We have never done in a wold scale nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #44
We've managed so far The2ndWheel Jun 2012 #30
"I've driven drunk plenty of times and nothing bad's happened yet!" NickB79 Jun 2012 #37
But we're not talking about simply one catastrophic event causing everything to unravel 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #40
We also had entire continents to export our surplus populations to NickB79 Jun 2012 #46
To other parts of the world 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #48
You can't just pick up a farm and plop it down somewhere else NickB79 Jun 2012 #58
"You can't just pick up a farm and plop it down somewhere else" I guess that's why to this day 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #61
The Fertile Crescent was quite similar to current breadbasket regions when ag. arose NickB79 Jun 2012 #64
Based on your logic 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #65
"Current patterns of consumption are wiping out the planet's biodiversity" greyl Jun 2012 #42
And the OP 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #45
False. The OP contains sober facts some people don't enjoy facing. nt greyl Jun 2012 #49
If we continue to import corn at these rates 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #52
Oh, you aren't being serious. greyl Jun 2012 #56
I imagine that perceiving either complete safety or complete disaster LanternWaste Jun 2012 #66
We live in a test tube laundry_queen Jun 2012 #25
The earth isn't a test tube 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #28
Energy capture which is dependant upon clean air, clean water and fertile soil NickB79 Jun 2012 #34
Resources are finite laundry_queen Jun 2012 #47
"Everything else is finite" 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #50
when you disrupt the ratios of laundry_queen Jun 2012 #68
I don't think any serious scientist is worried about us running out 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #71
Now you're being deliberately obtuse. nt laundry_queen Jun 2012 #75
Not at all 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #76
Have we actually changed the ratio of Oxygen to other gases in the atmosphere nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #79
Monsanto is working on the problem... L0oniX Jun 2012 #31
We went from 2 billion to 7 billion in a few decades stuntcat Jun 2012 #33
Paul Ehrlich wrote "The Population Bomb" in 1968. The scenario has not improved since then. 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #51
world fertility rate 2009 = 2.47 children per woman. should be less now since the economic bust. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #54
Not necessarily. randome Jun 2012 #59
On track to ZPG, when we're already several billion over carrying capacity? NickB79 Jun 2012 #62
At the end of the Song Dynasty, China's population declined by about half FarCenter Jun 2012 #67
there is plenty of space on the planet for the 99% Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #70
2012 WWF Living Planet Report muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #73
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