Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

econoclast

(543 posts)
32. Indeed NOT a "subsidy"
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jun 2012

noun pl. sub·si·dies.
1. a direct pecuniary aid furnished by a government to a private industrial undertaking

In this case there is NO direct pecuniary aid. For those who know what that means ... The government isn't paying JPM 16 billion a year. No money is changing hands here.

Because OTHER PRIVATE COUNTERPARTIES BELIEVE that in the event of a meltdown the government would bail out JPM, these OTHER PRIVATE COUNTERPARTIES are willing to lend to JPM for less than they otherwise would.

The calculated difference between what they otherwise might charge JMP is the 16 billion a year.

Moreover Dodd Frank purports to end TBTF via the new special regulator and new resolution authority. So there is legislation that explicitly addresses the TBTF assumption made by counterparties. So there should not be an "implicit" guarantee assumed any more.

Unless you want to argue that Dodd Frank isn't in reality what it was marketed to be.

K&R'd! snot Jun 2012 #1
Take it back. aquart Jun 2012 #2
But, but, but... THEY PAID BACK THE LOANS!1!1!! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #3
meanwhile...Republicans want food stamps cut by $2 billion a year Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #4
Unfortunately, 22 "Democrats" joined their ideological allies in the Republican Party. bvar22 Jun 2012 #25
That one is overblown Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #27
Why? bvar22 Jun 2012 #29
And the bastards and their lackeys are trying this very day to take food watrwefitinfor Jun 2012 #5
Really important article to read. I encourage folks to follow the link and read. salin Jun 2012 #6
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #7
This is dynamite here. Will it make the nightly news? freshwest Jun 2012 #8
k&r... spanone Jun 2012 #9
Study: *taxpayers* give Mega bank JP Morgan Chase a $14 billion annual subsidy. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #10
that works for me abelenkpe Jun 2012 #11
It just gets more disgusting every day. Autumn Jun 2012 #12
An interesting perspective, but its not really a subsidy bhikkhu Jun 2012 #13
Then the government should just loan it to the people without Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #15
That would be one way to do it bhikkhu Jun 2012 #17
Not relevant. Igel Jun 2012 #20
No, Bloomberg got it right. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #16
Yes, the "expectation of government support" increases lender confidence bhikkhu Jun 2012 #18
There's no basis for your assumption that the markup is fixed. Jim Lane Jun 2012 #23
No, they didn't. Igel Jun 2012 #21
Not true at all. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #24
Thank you for the explanation and citation. n/t truedelphi Jun 2012 #30
Corporate welfare Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #14
It's a calculated value of the effect of expected government support on the credit worthiness RB TexLa Jun 2012 #19
Nice explanation and citation regarding the word subsidy and how truedelphi Jun 2012 #31
Indeed NOT a "subsidy" econoclast Jun 2012 #32
Except the funds aren't being granted in by the government. There are no government funds RB TexLa Jun 2012 #33
Plus government pays for food stamps to supplement their janitor's poverty level salaries. Kablooie Jun 2012 #22
Well, how about that. -eom Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #26
Hmmmm Quantess Jun 2012 #28
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Study: Mega bank JP Morga...»Reply #32