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In the discussion thread: How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans [View all]

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:21 AM

HiPointDem (17,079 posts)

59. I think in addition that one can't minimize the role that actual murder played once reconstruction

was abandoned.

i'm reading a bio of jesse james right now & it talks about the terror campaigns conducted against blacks & radical republicans:

"white supremacist violence became increasingly systematic as the 1870s progressed...white paramilitaries attacked the tiny village of colfax...a force of black men held the town for three weeks before they were forced to surrender...the attackers executed at least 50 of them...in warren county mississippi a force of whites ambushed the sheriff and his supporters....killing as many as 300 africans americans in the days that followed...."

etc. this kind of violence was happening all over the former slave states in the period.

jesse james, last rebel of the civil war

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59 replies	Author	Time	Post
How the end of slavery led to starvation and death for millions of black Americans [View all]	FarCenter	Jun 2012	OP
and then fled to northern industrial cities looking for work, where they were exploited further,	dionysus	Jun 2012	#1
Oh great, right wingers will use this as justification for saying slavery was better.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#2
They have already been doing that for decades, if not hundreds of years	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#7
Their argument, back in the 1840s and 50s, was that slaves were better off as slaves than	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#9
The same bunch that said "give me freedom or give me death"?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#10
Modern version...	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#11
Thanks for making the point. It was my immediate thought as soon as I saw it, too. Hideous. n/t	Judi Lynn	Jun 2012	#13
All because the Union wasn't willing to grant the slaves the rights to THEIR PROPERTY	Scootaloo	Jun 2012	#3
Slaves should have owned New York City. They built a lot of it.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#4
I guess the Chinese should have owned the railroads then.	dkf	Jun 2012	#8
maybe. why not?	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#12
+1,000!	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#18
And the Irish should've owned all the houses?	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#45
that may have been true in 1865	hfojvt	Jun 2012	#34
so what? slaves cleared built a lot of pre-colonial and colonial NY. they laid the foundations	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#35
my house has a foundation	hfojvt	Jun 2012	#40
a city needs labor to be built. without slaves there would not have been enough labor	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#41
But people built New York before then. And of course people have built most of it after that time.nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#46
people built ny before the pre-colonial period? slaves were in NY from its foundation & did most	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#48
So did the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the English, you name it. nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#56
Not anywhere near the role that slavery played in building NYC, both through direct slave labor &	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#58
a big chunk of the money that built it "after that time" came from financing the slave trade and	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#49
Somehow, I think it would have been different had Lincoln lived.	MrSlayer	Jun 2012	#5
Absolutely. Andrew Johnson was one of the worst presidents	bhikkhu	Jun 2012	#6
Unfortunately, there wasn't enough will in the North	LuvNewcastle	Jun 2012	#14
And as the descendant of one of those northern soldiers I am not foolish enough to think that most	jwirr	Jun 2012	#28
Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team)	Christopher44	Jun 2012	#15
I think I would prefer to die on my feet than live on my knees	REP	Jun 2012	#16
slaves	macrolly	Jun 2012	#17
Is this in English?	GCP	Jun 2012	#19
Say what?	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#20
wut?	alphafemale	Jun 2012	#22
Well, doing American soldiers really isn't great work.	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#23
Opinions vary... n/t	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#31
who could argue with those fine words?	spanone	Jun 2012	#36
lol	deutsey	Jun 2012	#53
"site struts 2jquery"	EvolveOrConvolve	Jun 2012	#37
Undoubtedly true, yet ...	surrealAmerican	Jun 2012	#21
I believe they were more capable at handling famine and food shortages than their former owners.	YellowRubberDuckie	Jun 2012	#24
5 or 6 more generations? Seriously?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#51
I also said if at all...	YellowRubberDuckie	Jun 2012	#52
I didn't read the study, but saying lots of freed slaves died 1862-1870 is meaningless...	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#25
It's always a good idea to state the obvious. So few do, and are surprised by it when it's uttered.	Igel	Jun 2012	#32
Many of the blacks who owned	frogmarch	Jun 2012	#43
I think those who did that, then freed the relatives they had bought.	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#44
On an episode of	frogmarch	Jun 2012	#47
Reconstruction failed, and we are still paying for that failure.	bemildred	Jun 2012	#26
So this author assumes there weren't deaths related to being a slave. And his assumption that	jwirr	Jun 2012	#27
The 40-acres-and-a-mule "promise" was limited in area and in duration.	Igel	Jun 2012	#29
Dufuskee. the Geechee Gullah culture.	alphafemale	Jun 2012	#42
+1	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#50
How do you think native Americans were defeated?	Tsiyu	Jun 2012	#54
KICK NT	Phhhtttt	Jun 2012	#30
that so-called English 'gentleman' Thomas Carlyle wanted us to starve as welll -	malaise	Jun 2012	#33
"He himself cannot work."	Tsiyu	Jun 2012	#55
I would not have judged the freed slaves poorly if they had taken their back pay by force. nt	ZombieHorde	Jun 2012	#38
a more correct title: "Poor transition plan led to starvation and death for millions of black..."	maggiesfarmer	Jun 2012	#39
Millions of black slaves didn't die; this is a bullshit thesis. OP title is false.	kwassa	Jun 2012	#57
I think in addition that one can't minimize the role that actual murder played once reconstruction	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#59

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