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In the discussion thread: Wisconsin: None dare call it vote rigging [View all]

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 01:33 PM

119. Give one instance where vote flipping actually happened.

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Vote flipping is a nonsense argument. If it's close, there will be a recount. If it's a blowout, vote flipping would be obvious.

And you can't tell how it will go until the actual vote.

The vote flipping argument is pure bullshit.

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184 replies	Author	Time	Post
Wisconsin: None dare call it vote rigging [View all]	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	OP
"push and pray"	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#1
Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: The corporate lines –	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#44
"Hacking Democracy" (HBO documentary link)-	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#67
Clint CURTIS wrote Software to STEAL ELECTIONS	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#84
Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#97
Sequoia Part 1 Those with access can hack with programmed ROM chip.wmv	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#99
When are we going to do something about this for real.	RC	Jun 2012	#2
I go to the board of elections	SemperEadem	Jun 2012	#3
If early voting is similar to other places, your vote is never counted.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#6
Bizzzzzzzzzzz;	greiner3	Jun 2012	#16
The hostility/sarcasm is sort of funny in its defensiveness.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#28
Excuse me . . .	MrModerate	Jun 2012	#34
It's the PROVISIONAL ballots that are almost never counted. nt	patrice	Jun 2012	#51
You're overgeneralizing.	Igel	Jun 2012	#106
where I vote, it is counted	SemperEadem	Jun 2012	#175
Here in LA County, early votes are counted as absentee votes. All absentees are handled by ES&S.	robinlynne	Jun 2012	#95
I'm a poll worker in Massachusetts	millijac	Jun 2012	#138
The GOP corporate media supports this through constant predictions...	Atman	Jun 2012	#4
The corporate news blackout	sulphurdunn	Jun 2012	#5
Its not just the corporate media. Our 'representatives' are stone silent as well.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#8
+1000	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#19
This is why the Repigs are so confident.	madashelltoo	Jun 2012	#7
Howard Dean and Rush Holt have been right all along	DFW	Jun 2012	#9
I remember watching that Peter KIng quote on TV and was aghast.	Chipper Chat	Jun 2012	#18
"are there programs that can be used to secretly fix elections?"	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#31
Thank You for this important article!! K&R	hue	Jun 2012	#10
Around here, none dare call it conspiracy theory BS	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#11
Wanna buy a piece of land?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#14
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#17
False equivalency	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#25
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#29
I take it you know all about what they say	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#111
Fine. You drive a hard bargain. $150 an acre, firm.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#27
No evidence of electronic voting machime fraud during an election has ever...	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#32
Except right here in this thread	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#113
No evidence was presented	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#114
Exit polls are evidence. They are used to detect tampering in every other real democracy.	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#127
They only detect tampering when the exit polls are horribly divergent from the results	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#130
7% isn't even close to the margin of error	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#181
Where is the paper trail for the exit polls?	skepticscott	Jun 2012	#155
I don't have the time to teach you a poli sci statistics class, but your question is silly.	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#182
The question is not about statistics	skepticscott	Jun 2012	#183
No you question was entirely about the validity of statistical analysis as a check against fraud	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#184
Ohio SOS Jennifer Brunner called Ohio's electronic machines 'easily hackable'.	peace13	Jun 2012	#139
I'll believe her	Aerows	Jun 2012	#162
You're trying too hard.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#100
Actually, I'm not trying at all.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#104
No experts on voting in the US?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#117
Actually, the poster is doing the equivilent of the hear, see, speak no evil routine.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#107
I recently read a third graders' essay that read much like your own statement.	LanternWaste	Jun 2012	#141
"not a shred of real evidence "	zeemike	Jun 2012	#21
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#33
I know...that is my point.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#41
You actually took my response wrong	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#43
Except that there actually IS evidence for voter fraud	zeemike	Jun 2012	#76
There is NO evidence of widespread voter fraud	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#81
do you want real proof?	Botany	Jun 2012	#147
Maybe the evidence you're looking for can only be found	groovedaddy	Jun 2012	#178
Obama has a paper genuine birth certificate.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#92
I see the paper recording of my vote when I vote on a machine	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#94
Vote flipping:	Zorra	Jun 2012	#108
Not a single instance of that in any election	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#110
Hoooweee!!! Should we believe what we see, or what you tell us?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#126
That is exactly correct.	The Doctor.	Jun 2012	#86
At the risk of being redundant (which obviously is nothing new to you),	hue	Jun 2012	#30
I vote on epectronic machines and my vote is valid and verified	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#36
Do you really believe	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#48
Do you really believe a massive widespread conspiracy to do that exists?	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#55
Actually it would take one person putting one line of code is a program.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#68
Then the same could have been done with the old IBM punch cards	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#71
You are correct punch cards could have been hacked as well.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#74
Early voting	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#83
Here is link for you to checkout.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#140
The Ohio Secretary of State	Aerows	Jun 2012	#161
Yes	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#177
Supply evidence that the record is accurate.	eridani	Jun 2012	#176
Uncounted - Clint Curtis: Million Dollar Programmer	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#35
But that is not "credible evidences"	zeemike	Jun 2012	#46
Haha...is that what is said?	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#78
The discrepancy between exit polls and actual results IS evidence	TomClash	Jun 2012	#58
No, it is not.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#66
It is evidence and you have not refuted that evidence	TomClash	Jun 2012	#77
What has changed is the REPORTING of exit polls	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#79
I am familiar with this point	TomClash	Jun 2012	#96
The same thing happens in elections the Democratic candidates win.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#98
Why is it so rare for Democratic candidates, though?	TomClash	Jun 2012	#128
It's not so rare for Democratic candidates	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#129
"It's the same for both"	TomClash	Jun 2012	#158
Calling Bob Fitrakis a conspiracy nut is in itself embarrassing.	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#73
The tactic is tried and true. Make fun and name call to get people to dismiss.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#75
Fitrakis is pretty much the gold standard on this topic	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#85
Yes - agree. Bob Fitrakis is highly credible on this topic. n/t	Misskittycat	Jun 2012	#91
+1. Yep. It's sheep chow. nt	Zorra	Jun 2012	#93
+1	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#132
Take time and listen to Clint Curtis tell us why the Florida Machines were	midnight	Jun 2012	#160
Take a look at this thread	Samantha	Jun 2012	#171
It is not up to voters to prove election fraud	eridani	Jun 2012	#174
The Democratic Party has a lot of resources. When will they recognize that	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#12
Exception,in 2010 when the Repukes gained control of the house there	INdemo	Jun 2012	#13
One only need to watch/listen to which party/politician the Corporate media is fawning over.	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#23
Our framer's of our Constitution would have the majority of these election thieves in	INdemo	Jun 2012	#80
+1000	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#103
my question is this	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#15
Review the Max Cleland-Saxby Chambliss senate race.	Chipper Chat	Jun 2012	#20
Yes, that is yet another one... -eom	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#37
Then PROVE IT	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#39
You can't prove anything if you decide what evidence's to look at.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#59
You can show a machine is hackable	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#62
Well that can NEVER be shown because it is a machine	zeemike	Jun 2012	#69
Are there any paperless voting systems in use in Wisconsin?	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#125
They probably do have a paper trail in most places	zeemike	Jun 2012	#133
Which is why paper trails are useless. We need paper ballots	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#134
Absolute	zeemike	Jun 2012	#145
Your answer is a bit vague, but assuming that there is always some kind of paper audit trail, how...	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#135
Much different.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#142
You didn't read the article then.... Exit polling is rather precise.. When we send people	glowing	Jun 2012	#38
Perspective.	Igel	Jun 2012	#112
No exit polls are not just exit polls.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#54
yes they are	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#87
You confuse the use of them now with the use of them in the past.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#90
if there is rigging	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#102
Shouldn't this kind of stuff be in the Creative Speculation forum?	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#22
I think it should	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#40
There is much evidence that voting machines can easily be hacked...	hue	Jun 2012	#42
There is ZERO evidence that they have ever been hacked during an election	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#45
Who cares if there is "ZERO" evidence. That does not mean there is no evidence.	hue	Jun 2012	#47
Hey.... that also applies to the shooting down of Paul Wellstone's plane!	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#52
This tactic is old. Can't blame you for trying.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#61
Then prove your allegations	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#63
OK. I suppose "who cares if there is zero evidence" is a better tactic (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#70
new evidence is being uncovered all the time...	hue	Jun 2012	#82
Yeah, right	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#57
I agree Garro	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#88
No paper trail. Where do you get the evidence?	roody	Jun 2012	#60
Or reported, not found (not looked for) and not reported.	siligut	Jun 2012	#89
So the evidence for the evidence is that there is no evidence?	Flatulo	Jun 2012	#169
"There's no place like home"! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#50
If there is evidence, PRESENT IT!	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#56
You mean sworn testimony under oath is not evidence?	zeemike	Jun 2012	#64
Sworn testimony that something could happen is not evidence that it has happened.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#65
Which goes to opportunity and motive.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#72
By the legal standard of evidence, there is evidence.	Jim Lane	Jun 2012	#143
Ol' Garro	Caretha	Jun 2012	#156
How do you know that? How do we verify that votes have been accurately	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#101
The same way we verify the votes were accurately counted with the old paper ballot.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#105
I'm talking about votes flipping on the machines. Give one instance of when the machines were	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#118
Give one instance where vote flipping actually happened.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#119
So, iow, people cannot verify the votes in those machines.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#122
Sure you can. I did it the last time I used a touch screen	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#124
Never ever, with proprietary machines, with proprietary software, owned and maintained by private	RC	Jun 2012	#131
When you are paid to 'not believe' something and your check depends on it	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#136
Those machines must be destroyed.	The Doctor.	Jun 2012	#24
I agree, Doctor. Daleks are evil machines. Or did you mean cybermen? (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#53
I lived in a very RED state when the Tea Baggers were taking over.	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#26
Instant RunOff Paper Ballots, Marked by Hand, Encrypted Receipts, & Ballots Counted In Public on	patrice	Jun 2012	#49
I agree that fraud may have been involved, but...	hrmjustin	Jun 2012	#109
Spending tons of money to alter the results of an election is vote-rigging. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Jun 2012	#115
Yes, it's unfortunate that A) unlimited amounts can be spent on an election by anyone, and B)	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#120
this issue is the ONE	librechik	Jun 2012	#123
We need Anonymous	LiberalLovinLug	Jun 2012	#116
I'd never seen an electronic vote machine here in California until 2008 and it was unused where I we	ryan_cats	Jun 2012	#121
GOP even does it to themselves when needed-	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#137
I just posted this to my facebook ...	Clouseau2	Jun 2012	#144
so if the Korporate Konservative	xxqqqzme	Jun 2012	#146
well written, so glad someone is saying it	Ghost of Huey Long	Jun 2012	#148
That's because we live in a corporatocracy, not a democracy.	valerief	Jun 2012	#149
Don't blame me I voted electronically	Hubert Flottz	Jun 2012	#150
I was dismayed when I saw long-term posters HERE	a2liberal	Jun 2012	#151
Do you think Paul Wellstone's plane may have been sabotaged?	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#153
Are all the mail-in ballots in Washington tallied by hand?	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#159
I'm sure they'll get around to calling it fraud as soon as they label the 2004 Ohio exit poll	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#152
Germany outlaws electronic voting	12zelda12	Jun 2012	#154
From the article:	Aerows	Jun 2012	#165
You mean this part? What they call "the latest PR line from e-voting vendors"?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#167
K&R	Blue Owl	Jun 2012	#157
Me too... Without an election system that people believe in, we can't	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#180
The same people	josejimenez	Jun 2012	#163
We could do a massive show-up on our own and count them ourselves. What do you suggest we do?	lonestarnot	Jun 2012	#164
There may be a window of opportunity.	mojowork_n	Jun 2012	#170
What to do?!	12zelda12	Jun 2012	#166
The most shocking part is how public opinion polls before the election	tritsofme	Jun 2012	#168
Yes, it is indeed shocking how they have managed to rig public opinion.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#179
kick	Angry Dragon	Jun 2012	#172
American Exceptionalism at work again! n/t	RKP5637	Jun 2012	#173

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