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In the discussion thread: Wisconsin: None dare call it vote rigging [View all]

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:41 AM

zeemike (10,836 posts)

41. I know...that is my point.

They have the the birth certificate and other evidence that he was born in the US but they say there is no "credible evidence"

And in election fraud in 2000 there is the same credible evidence all over the place and you still say there is no evidence...not to mention other elections all over this country...evidence is only credible if it proves what you think it should prove....and all else is called not credible.
All that is necessary is to find someone who debunks it no matter how flimsy the debunking is and you can call it not credible...that is how they control things.

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184 replies	Author	Time	Post
Wisconsin: None dare call it vote rigging [View all]	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	OP
"push and pray"	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#1
Who's behind these private companies? It's hard to tell: The corporate lines –	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#44
"Hacking Democracy" (HBO documentary link)-	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#67
Clint CURTIS wrote Software to STEAL ELECTIONS	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#84
Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#97
Sequoia Part 1 Those with access can hack with programmed ROM chip.wmv	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#99
When are we going to do something about this for real.	RC	Jun 2012	#2
I go to the board of elections	SemperEadem	Jun 2012	#3
If early voting is similar to other places, your vote is never counted.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#6
Bizzzzzzzzzzz;	greiner3	Jun 2012	#16
The hostility/sarcasm is sort of funny in its defensiveness.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#28
Excuse me . . .	MrModerate	Jun 2012	#34
It's the PROVISIONAL ballots that are almost never counted. nt	patrice	Jun 2012	#51
You're overgeneralizing.	Igel	Jun 2012	#106
where I vote, it is counted	SemperEadem	Jun 2012	#175
Here in LA County, early votes are counted as absentee votes. All absentees are handled by ES&S.	robinlynne	Jun 2012	#95
I'm a poll worker in Massachusetts	millijac	Jun 2012	#138
The GOP corporate media supports this through constant predictions...	Atman	Jun 2012	#4
The corporate news blackout	sulphurdunn	Jun 2012	#5
Its not just the corporate media. Our 'representatives' are stone silent as well.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#8
+1000	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#19
This is why the Repigs are so confident.	madashelltoo	Jun 2012	#7
Howard Dean and Rush Holt have been right all along	DFW	Jun 2012	#9
I remember watching that Peter KIng quote on TV and was aghast.	Chipper Chat	Jun 2012	#18
"are there programs that can be used to secretly fix elections?"	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#31
Thank You for this important article!! K&R	hue	Jun 2012	#10
Around here, none dare call it conspiracy theory BS	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#11
Wanna buy a piece of land?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#14
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#17
False equivalency	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#25
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#29
I take it you know all about what they say	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#111
Fine. You drive a hard bargain. $150 an acre, firm.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#27
No evidence of electronic voting machime fraud during an election has ever...	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#32
Except right here in this thread	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#113
No evidence was presented	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#114
Exit polls are evidence. They are used to detect tampering in every other real democracy.	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#127
They only detect tampering when the exit polls are horribly divergent from the results	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#130
7% isn't even close to the margin of error	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#181
Where is the paper trail for the exit polls?	skepticscott	Jun 2012	#155
I don't have the time to teach you a poli sci statistics class, but your question is silly.	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#182
The question is not about statistics	skepticscott	Jun 2012	#183
No you question was entirely about the validity of statistical analysis as a check against fraud	Exultant Democracy	Jun 2012	#184
Ohio SOS Jennifer Brunner called Ohio's electronic machines 'easily hackable'.	peace13	Jun 2012	#139
I'll believe her	Aerows	Jun 2012	#162
You're trying too hard.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#100
Actually, I'm not trying at all.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#104
No experts on voting in the US?	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#117
Actually, the poster is doing the equivilent of the hear, see, speak no evil routine.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#107
I recently read a third graders' essay that read much like your own statement.	LanternWaste	Jun 2012	#141
"not a shred of real evidence "	zeemike	Jun 2012	#21
Ha ha	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#33
I know...that is my point.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#41
You actually took my response wrong	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#43
Except that there actually IS evidence for voter fraud	zeemike	Jun 2012	#76
There is NO evidence of widespread voter fraud	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#81
do you want real proof?	Botany	Jun 2012	#147
Maybe the evidence you're looking for can only be found	groovedaddy	Jun 2012	#178
Obama has a paper genuine birth certificate.	Zorra	Jun 2012	#92
I see the paper recording of my vote when I vote on a machine	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#94
Vote flipping:	Zorra	Jun 2012	#108
Not a single instance of that in any election	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#110
Hoooweee!!! Should we believe what we see, or what you tell us?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#126
That is exactly correct.	The Doctor.	Jun 2012	#86
At the risk of being redundant (which obviously is nothing new to you),	hue	Jun 2012	#30
I vote on epectronic machines and my vote is valid and verified	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#36
Do you really believe	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#48
Do you really believe a massive widespread conspiracy to do that exists?	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#55
Actually it would take one person putting one line of code is a program.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#68
Then the same could have been done with the old IBM punch cards	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#71
You are correct punch cards could have been hacked as well.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#74
Early voting	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#83
Here is link for you to checkout.	Jake2413	Jun 2012	#140
The Ohio Secretary of State	Aerows	Jun 2012	#161
Yes	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#177
Supply evidence that the record is accurate.	eridani	Jun 2012	#176
Uncounted - Clint Curtis: Million Dollar Programmer	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#35
But that is not "credible evidences"	zeemike	Jun 2012	#46
Haha...is that what is said?	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#78
The discrepancy between exit polls and actual results IS evidence	TomClash	Jun 2012	#58
No, it is not.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#66
It is evidence and you have not refuted that evidence	TomClash	Jun 2012	#77
What has changed is the REPORTING of exit polls	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#79
I am familiar with this point	TomClash	Jun 2012	#96
The same thing happens in elections the Democratic candidates win.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#98
Why is it so rare for Democratic candidates, though?	TomClash	Jun 2012	#128
It's not so rare for Democratic candidates	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#129
"It's the same for both"	TomClash	Jun 2012	#158
Calling Bob Fitrakis a conspiracy nut is in itself embarrassing.	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#73
The tactic is tried and true. Make fun and name call to get people to dismiss.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#75
Fitrakis is pretty much the gold standard on this topic	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#85
Yes - agree. Bob Fitrakis is highly credible on this topic. n/t	Misskittycat	Jun 2012	#91
+1. Yep. It's sheep chow. nt	Zorra	Jun 2012	#93
+1	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#132
Take time and listen to Clint Curtis tell us why the Florida Machines were	midnight	Jun 2012	#160
Take a look at this thread	Samantha	Jun 2012	#171
It is not up to voters to prove election fraud	eridani	Jun 2012	#174
The Democratic Party has a lot of resources. When will they recognize that	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#12
Exception,in 2010 when the Repukes gained control of the house there	INdemo	Jun 2012	#13
One only need to watch/listen to which party/politician the Corporate media is fawning over.	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#23
Our framer's of our Constitution would have the majority of these election thieves in	INdemo	Jun 2012	#80
+1000	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#103
my question is this	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#15
Review the Max Cleland-Saxby Chambliss senate race.	Chipper Chat	Jun 2012	#20
Yes, that is yet another one... -eom	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#37
Then PROVE IT	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#39
You can't prove anything if you decide what evidence's to look at.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#59
You can show a machine is hackable	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#62
Well that can NEVER be shown because it is a machine	zeemike	Jun 2012	#69
Are there any paperless voting systems in use in Wisconsin?	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#125
They probably do have a paper trail in most places	zeemike	Jun 2012	#133
Which is why paper trails are useless. We need paper ballots	EFerrari	Jun 2012	#134
Absolute	zeemike	Jun 2012	#145
Your answer is a bit vague, but assuming that there is always some kind of paper audit trail, how...	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#135
Much different.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#142
You didn't read the article then.... Exit polling is rather precise.. When we send people	glowing	Jun 2012	#38
Perspective.	Igel	Jun 2012	#112
No exit polls are not just exit polls.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#54
yes they are	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#87
You confuse the use of them now with the use of them in the past.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#90
if there is rigging	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#102
Shouldn't this kind of stuff be in the Creative Speculation forum?	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#22
I think it should	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#40
There is much evidence that voting machines can easily be hacked...	hue	Jun 2012	#42
There is ZERO evidence that they have ever been hacked during an election	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#45
Who cares if there is "ZERO" evidence. That does not mean there is no evidence.	hue	Jun 2012	#47
Hey.... that also applies to the shooting down of Paul Wellstone's plane!	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#52
This tactic is old. Can't blame you for trying.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#61
Then prove your allegations	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#63
OK. I suppose "who cares if there is zero evidence" is a better tactic (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#70
new evidence is being uncovered all the time...	hue	Jun 2012	#82
Yeah, right	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#57
I agree Garro	liberalnationalist	Jun 2012	#88
No paper trail. Where do you get the evidence?	roody	Jun 2012	#60
Or reported, not found (not looked for) and not reported.	siligut	Jun 2012	#89
So the evidence for the evidence is that there is no evidence?	Flatulo	Jun 2012	#169
"There's no place like home"! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#50
If there is evidence, PRESENT IT!	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#56
You mean sworn testimony under oath is not evidence?	zeemike	Jun 2012	#64
Sworn testimony that something could happen is not evidence that it has happened.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#65
Which goes to opportunity and motive.	zeemike	Jun 2012	#72
By the legal standard of evidence, there is evidence.	Jim Lane	Jun 2012	#143
Ol' Garro	Caretha	Jun 2012	#156
How do you know that? How do we verify that votes have been accurately	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#101
The same way we verify the votes were accurately counted with the old paper ballot.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#105
I'm talking about votes flipping on the machines. Give one instance of when the machines were	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#118
Give one instance where vote flipping actually happened.	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#119
So, iow, people cannot verify the votes in those machines.	sabrina 1	Jun 2012	#122
Sure you can. I did it the last time I used a touch screen	GarroHorus	Jun 2012	#124
Never ever, with proprietary machines, with proprietary software, owned and maintained by private	RC	Jun 2012	#131
When you are paid to 'not believe' something and your check depends on it	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#136
Those machines must be destroyed.	The Doctor.	Jun 2012	#24
I agree, Doctor. Daleks are evil machines. Or did you mean cybermen? (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#53
I lived in a very RED state when the Tea Baggers were taking over.	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#26
Instant RunOff Paper Ballots, Marked by Hand, Encrypted Receipts, & Ballots Counted In Public on	patrice	Jun 2012	#49
I agree that fraud may have been involved, but...	hrmjustin	Jun 2012	#109
Spending tons of money to alter the results of an election is vote-rigging. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Jun 2012	#115
Yes, it's unfortunate that A) unlimited amounts can be spent on an election by anyone, and B)	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#120
this issue is the ONE	librechik	Jun 2012	#123
We need Anonymous	LiberalLovinLug	Jun 2012	#116
I'd never seen an electronic vote machine here in California until 2008 and it was unused where I we	ryan_cats	Jun 2012	#121
GOP even does it to themselves when needed-	Huey P. Long	Jun 2012	#137
I just posted this to my facebook ...	Clouseau2	Jun 2012	#144
so if the Korporate Konservative	xxqqqzme	Jun 2012	#146
well written, so glad someone is saying it	Ghost of Huey Long	Jun 2012	#148
That's because we live in a corporatocracy, not a democracy.	valerief	Jun 2012	#149
Don't blame me I voted electronically	Hubert Flottz	Jun 2012	#150
I was dismayed when I saw long-term posters HERE	a2liberal	Jun 2012	#151
Do you think Paul Wellstone's plane may have been sabotaged?	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#153
Are all the mail-in ballots in Washington tallied by hand?	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#159
I'm sure they'll get around to calling it fraud as soon as they label the 2004 Ohio exit poll	TrollBuster9090	Jun 2012	#152
Germany outlaws electronic voting	12zelda12	Jun 2012	#154
From the article:	Aerows	Jun 2012	#165
You mean this part? What they call "the latest PR line from e-voting vendors"?	Zorra	Jun 2012	#167
K&R	Blue Owl	Jun 2012	#157
Me too... Without an election system that people believe in, we can't	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#180
The same people	josejimenez	Jun 2012	#163
We could do a massive show-up on our own and count them ourselves. What do you suggest we do?	lonestarnot	Jun 2012	#164
There may be a window of opportunity.	mojowork_n	Jun 2012	#170
What to do?!	12zelda12	Jun 2012	#166
The most shocking part is how public opinion polls before the election	tritsofme	Jun 2012	#168
Yes, it is indeed shocking how they have managed to rig public opinion.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#179
kick	Angry Dragon	Jun 2012	#172
American Exceptionalism at work again! n/t	RKP5637	Jun 2012	#173

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