Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
47. On an episode of
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jun 2012

"Who Do You Think You Are," the celebrity whose genealogy was being explored (I can't think of his name. He's a well-known black actor) was dismayed to learn that some of his ancestors who were free owned slaves. Further research showed that the slaves were family members of the free ancestor who owned them. The historian explained that free blacks often bought their slave relatives to give them good homes and to keep them from being sold to other people.

I don't fully understand the laws pertaining to the freeing of slaves before the abolition of slavery. I'll look up manumission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumission

snip:

After invention of the cotton gin in 1793, which enabled the development of extensive new areas for new types of cotton cultivation, manumissions decreased due to increased demand for slave labor. In the nineteenth century, slave revolts such as the Haitian Revolution and especially the 1831 rebellion led by Nat Turner increased slaveholder fears, and most southern states passed laws making manumission nearly impossible. Before the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery after the American Civil War in 1866, manumission was sometimes accomplished at the death of the owner, under conditions in his will.
and then fled to northern industrial cities looking for work, where they were exploited further, dionysus Jun 2012 #1
Oh great, right wingers will use this as justification for saying slavery was better. Zalatix Jun 2012 #2
They have already been doing that for decades, if not hundreds of years Major Nikon Jun 2012 #7
Their argument, back in the 1840s and 50s, was that slaves were better off as slaves than coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #9
The same bunch that said "give me freedom or give me death"? Zalatix Jun 2012 #10
Modern version... Major Nikon Jun 2012 #11
Thanks for making the point. It was my immediate thought as soon as I saw it, too. Hideous. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #13
All because the Union wasn't willing to grant the slaves the rights to THEIR PROPERTY Scootaloo Jun 2012 #3
Slaves should have owned New York City. They built a lot of it. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #4
I guess the Chinese should have owned the railroads then. dkf Jun 2012 #8
maybe. why not? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #12
+1,000! Zalatix Jun 2012 #18
And the Irish should've owned all the houses? Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #45
that may have been true in 1865 hfojvt Jun 2012 #34
so what? slaves cleared built a lot of pre-colonial and colonial NY. they laid the foundations HiPointDem Jun 2012 #35
my house has a foundation hfojvt Jun 2012 #40
a city needs *labor* to be built. without slaves there would not have been enough *labor* HiPointDem Jun 2012 #41
But people built New York before then. And of course people have built most of it after that time.nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #46
people built ny before the pre-colonial period? slaves were in NY from its foundation & did most HiPointDem Jun 2012 #48
So did the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the English, you name it. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #56
Not anywhere near the role that slavery played in building NYC, both through direct slave labor & HiPointDem Jun 2012 #58
a big chunk of the money that built it "after that time" came from financing the slave trade and HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49
Somehow, I think it would have been different had Lincoln lived. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #5
Absolutely. Andrew Johnson was one of the worst presidents bhikkhu Jun 2012 #6
Unfortunately, there wasn't enough will in the North LuvNewcastle Jun 2012 #14
And as the descendant of one of those northern soldiers I am not foolish enough to think that most jwirr Jun 2012 #28
Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) Christopher44 Jun 2012 #15
I think I would prefer to die on my feet than live on my knees REP Jun 2012 #16
slaves macrolly Jun 2012 #17
Is this in English? GCP Jun 2012 #19
Say what? UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #20
wut? alphafemale Jun 2012 #22
Well, doing American soldiers really isn't great work. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #23
Opinions vary... n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #31
who could argue with those fine words? spanone Jun 2012 #36
lol deutsey Jun 2012 #53
"site struts 2jquery" EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2012 #37
Undoubtedly true, yet ... surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #21
I believe they were more capable at handling famine and food shortages than their former owners. YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #24
5 or 6 more generations? Seriously? Zalatix Jun 2012 #51
I also said if at all... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #52
I didn't read the study, but saying lots of freed slaves died 1862-1870 is meaningless... Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #25
It's always a good idea to state the obvious. So few do, and are surprised by it when it's uttered. Igel Jun 2012 #32
Many of the blacks who owned frogmarch Jun 2012 #43
I think those who did that, then freed the relatives they had bought. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #44
On an episode of frogmarch Jun 2012 #47
Reconstruction failed, and we are still paying for that failure. bemildred Jun 2012 #26
So this author assumes there weren't deaths related to being a slave. And his assumption that jwirr Jun 2012 #27
The 40-acres-and-a-mule "promise" was limited in area and in duration. Igel Jun 2012 #29
Dufuskee. the Geechee Gullah culture. alphafemale Jun 2012 #42
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50
How do you think native Americans were defeated? Tsiyu Jun 2012 #54
KICK NT Phhhtttt Jun 2012 #30
that so-called English 'gentleman' Thomas Carlyle wanted us to starve as welll - malaise Jun 2012 #33
"He himself cannot work." Tsiyu Jun 2012 #55
I would not have judged the freed slaves poorly if they had taken their back pay by force. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #38
a more correct title: "Poor transition plan led to starvation and death for millions of black..." maggiesfarmer Jun 2012 #39
Millions of black slaves didn't die; this is a bullshit thesis. OP title is false. kwassa Jun 2012 #57
I think in addition that one can't minimize the role that actual murder played once reconstruction HiPointDem Jun 2012 #59
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»How the end of slavery le...»Reply #47