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Showing Original Post only (View all)"America's gun problem is not a race problem" [View all]
from conservative commentator David Frum, a surprising opinion.
The people who make up America count as Americans, and their problems count as America's problems. Their problems do not occur in isolation, but are manifestations of failures to which all Americans contributed together.
Those young men in Baton Rouge who are killing each other in such horrific numbers do not manufacture their own guns. They did not organize the gun trade that brings the guns to their town. They did not write the laws that prevent their town government from acting against guns. They carry guns -- and misuse guns -- thanks to a national system of gun regulation that makes guns easily accessible to those least likely to use guns responsibly.
The gun laws intended to put guns into the hands of "good guys" are the laws that also multiply guns in the hands of "bad guys" -- bad guys who might not have become such bad guys if the guns had not been available to their hands.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/15/opinion/frum-guns-race/
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It's ironic that this is presented by gunners as evidence of gun control as racist
flamin lib
Sep 2016
#9
Can you provide an example of a 'gunner' claiming gun control is not racist?
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#15
Southern states did put a lot of thought into ensuring their militias were available
jmg257
Sep 2016
#7
I'm supposed to prove a negative? Nonsense: "Argument from ignorance"
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#25
"You're wasting your time" I agree. You present no evidence other than 'it stands to reason'
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#32
You lie! Everyone knows Pharaoh kept the Israelites in line with AR15s he got from the NRA
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#26
So the "slave-loving" states like Pennsylvania went and added their own versions.. why?
X_Digger
Sep 2016
#28
"Cars are designed to transport." And yet people still get killed with (not by) them every day.
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#20
Firearms are designed to send a projectile out of the barrel at a high rate of speed with
Waldorf
Sep 2016
#42
So, 1 in 10,000 are not 'used legally'? Probably somewhere around the number of cars ...
brett_jv
Sep 2016
#45
oh, stop being so difficult... just kidding. a lot of people here will go to any length to excuse
TheFrenchRazor
Sep 2016
#41
Your theory of collective guilt differs from Trump's only in the choice of which collective to blame
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#14
Bullshit. Collective guilt as a theory is poisonous nonsense no matter who promulgates it
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#22
It is more about collective responsibility. If you feel guilt about not fulfilling that ...
kwassa
Sep 2016
#40
Does this apply to *any* identifiable group with members that have done wrong, or...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#54
Are cannabis users responsible for cartel violence? If not, why not?
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#58
You're consistent, I'll grant you that. Would that some others here were...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#64
Yes, true. I am responsible, as an individual, for no actions other than my own.
beevul
Sep 2016
#69
"I don't believe in group stereotypes" That's the problem: Group stereotypes are quite acceptable...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#35
"If you didn't have 'the right to a gun' ... and never had...". NOW you tell 'em...
jmg257
Sep 2016
#48
I've been volunteering for free on the illicit pipeline that feeds guns to gangs
Travis_0004
Sep 2016
#51
I believe our interlocutor found our questions too awkward to answer...
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#53
Point out someone who espouses your first two examples and I'll argue with them myself
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2016
#65