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rfranklin

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1. My LTTE in response to an "America is a Christian nation" nut...
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:14 AM
Jun 2012

That the founding fathers intended the Constitution to be secular is beyond question; motions to include religious references at the Constitutional Convention were voted down. We know this from the 1788 pamphlet written by NJ-born Luther Martin, who was a delegate for Maryland.

The Constitution's secularism was decried by colonial clergy. John M. Mason, D.D. complained in a 1793 sermon that the "very Constitution which the singular goodness of God enabled us to establish, does not so much as recognize his being! ... From the Constitution of the United States, it is impossible to ascertain what God we worship; or whether we own a God at all ."

Thomas Jefferson said it even more directly in an 1814 letter to Dr, Thomas Cooper, stating that " Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law. "

Anyone who claims the intention of the founding fathers was to establish a Christian nation should review Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli declared in part that "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..." This treaty was negotiated during the administration of George Washington and ratified by the Senate under President Adams. (The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution says the U.S. Constitution, U.S. Treaties, and laws made pursuant to the U.S. Constitution, shall be "the supreme law of the land.&quot

"E Pluribus Unum" was the original U.S. motto put forth by a committee consisting of Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Pierre Eugene du Simitiere. It appears on the Great Seal of the United States but was never codified into law. "In God We Trust" is a recent invention, put into law in 1956. No one remembers the names of the congressmen who sponsored that bill.

Our Founding Fathers were wise men and had a healthy skepticism about the role of religion in government. Anyone who claims to respect the traditions of the United States should recognize that fact and stop trying to rewrite history to suit their personal beliefs.

My LTTE in response to an "America is a Christian nation" nut... rfranklin Jun 2012 #1
Excellent LTTE Martin Eden Jun 2012 #12
Yes it was published... rfranklin Jun 2012 #16
Neat! Was this recently? SaB2012 Jun 2012 #28
Yes, it was a few weeks ago...in response to a LTTE citing Wall Builders... rfranklin Jun 2012 #31
I don't see how God Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #2
The article suggests in the following pages that some of the founders were deists ... spin Jun 2012 #3
Yes, some were and others were Christian, and some were Jewish. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #4
please kindly list some Jewish founding fathers - much appreciated, in advance inna Jun 2012 #10
None of the major players but some were involved hobbit709 Jun 2012 #11
It's probable that Muslims built the foundations of most major US cities of the period, too Scootaloo Jun 2012 #23
The Only nation with which the gods have had nothing to do Brainstormy Jun 2012 #7
Aside from the brainwashing and lies, Ilsa Jun 2012 #5
To your point justiceischeap Jun 2012 #8
Well, the Pilgrims also hijacked their ship and nearly had a civil war on hteir hands... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #24
"not some rocky asshole wilderness to be governed by men with belt buckles on their heads..." dionysus Jun 2012 #30
Yet some of our own insist the problem is JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #6
A Few Founding Fathers' Quotes on Religion/Christianity 66 dmhlt Jun 2012 #9
So much amuse bouche Jun 2012 #22
A devastatingly good article. mmonk Jun 2012 #13
Read Catherine Crier's book "Contempt: How the Right Is Wronging American Justice" obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #14
Excellent book. I have it and recommend it to everyone. mmonk Jun 2012 #17
I was disappointed when they turned CourtTV into TruTV obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #18
Me too. mmonk Jun 2012 #19
She pops up sometimes on Dr. Drew's HLN show obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #21
Free Masons NeverEnuff Jun 2012 #15
K&R ck4829 Jun 2012 #20
These people make up whatever they think will stick and lie like hell. Most of RKP5637 Jun 2012 #25
Don't forget the No religious test for office clause in the Constitution. Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2012 #26
If I had a dime for every guess on founders thoughts on religion - Zax2me Jun 2012 #27
One of my favorite episodes from the Constitutional Convention bhikkhu Jun 2012 #29
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