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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
99. I agree, with one caveat
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

I understand that some horse trading and pissing off of your friends may indeed need to be done, but, when the "pragmatic" types come to the table, they need to acknowledge that the rich have in effect damaged the "horse trading" mechanism they used to rely on. It used to be that even a die hard conservative realized that he or she was accountable to people that were watching them and expecting RESULTS, which meant they realized they had to give a little something, a few slices of bread. Come election time, they could tell the voters "Would you rather I lost the whole loaf?" Even the ideological realize a half loaf beats starving. What used to define America is that, however ideologically heated we were, we realized there were bills to be paid, and that we did not want to emulate the political crusades of Europe where we got high off the conflict, but ended up hungry.

However, especially after Citizens United, you have a breed of congressperson who knows they really do not have to achieve anything as long as their backers keep shoveling out the money, buying the commercials, and making sure the right pundits and megachurch clergy keep banging the drums. Look at Ted Cruz. In a saner age, someone who even THOUGHT of having America default would have been ruined. Here, he came very close to winning the nomination, outlasting the aristocrats like Jeb Bush, only to be beaten out by someone who does not even PRETEND to DISLIKE the idea of defaulting, who advocates it as something that is a secret of his success. It is not that Trump is merely and example of all this is wrong with the GOP, it is that those who want to emulate him know that there are a bunch of robber barons willing to pay them to imitate Trump. It says a lot that in just four years, Mitt Romney has gone from being Obama's main opponent to someone that, in his own right, could get a respectable amount of hate on Fox News.

All I am saying is this, yes I know our Democrats need to make sausage, and to quote Bismarck, making those sausages is not pretty. However, in light of the fact that some of those GOP "co workers" at the sausage factory are begin hired to sabotage the process, I would expect them to start from a higher position towards the left, so that by the time the process is done, we end up somewhere like a 4 to 6 out of ten, ten being leftism as defined by FDR. As is, we start the negotiation already saying "I know we wont get anything more than a three, and by the time the GOP applies its saboteurs, we end up at -1.

Neoliberalism, My Ass [View all] KMOD Jun 2016 OP
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #1
Could you be any more generalized? Sounds like one comment made you mad and produced this rant bjobotts Jun 2016 #98
+1!!! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #128
Going to need a Cheech and Chong size popcorn for this one. Eko Jun 2016 #2
Fake leftists. forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #3
If someone is a neoliberal hack runaway hero Jun 2016 #115
K&R FOR TRUTH! eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #4
Ouch. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #5
Depends on your definition of progressive kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #6
Republican governance has devastated the middle class, not trade deals. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #11
^^^THIS^^^^ Yavin4 Jun 2016 #48
THIS & THIS. :) Hortensis Jun 2016 #49
Government spending and regulation does not create a middle class AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #71
Without government support, unions would have been crushed. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #109
Every nation with large middle class has strong labor unions AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #117
And unless the govt forces corporations to negotiate with unions Yavin4 Jun 2016 #118
The government doesn't force companies to negotiate with Unions AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #119
And companies then hire strike breakers Yavin4 Jun 2016 #122
Yes, sometimes they hire 'Scabs' AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #131
"Read the history of the labor movement"??????? roomtomove Jun 2016 #132
Trade deals have eliminated jobs, while austerity (both parties) has cut away safety nets leveymg Jun 2016 #55
I wonder if we go after trade deals because the republican base agrees with us but pampango Jun 2016 #57
These "trade deals" are creating a global regime of legal governance kristopher Jun 2016 #90
America used to be the #1 exporter of finished goods and now we are the #1 importer of fin. goods bjobotts Jun 2016 #102
Neoliberalism is Reganism, trickle down economics and voodo economics where corps do bjobotts Jun 2016 #103
+1 Svafa Jun 2016 #86
Ah yes, pragmatism Scootaloo Jun 2016 #7
+1 nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #8
I think its more like Eko Jun 2016 #10
When the Saudi's "opened up the spiggot" they shut down a lot of the fracking in TX. That Guy 888 Jun 2016 #23
Bogus statistics do not make an argument... roomtomove Jun 2016 #130
Part of my numbers could indeed be wrong. Eko Jul 2016 #141
well put, as usual AntiBank Jun 2016 #31
Some days, around here, Aerows Jun 2016 #42
Nothing like single-issue zealots to ignore a list of 358 accomplishments. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #9
I've seen that. Quite the Gish Gallop. seabeckind Jun 2016 #29
"Single issue zealots"....?????? roomtomove Jun 2016 #134
It's obvious. Read the OP. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #138
Heaven forfend we should look at someone's positon on the issues. Qutzupalotl Jun 2016 #12
Except you stress the wrong point, as the OP explains whatthehey Jun 2016 #34
"Free trade" versus "protectionism"? kristopher Jun 2016 #92
Love Milt Shook.. thank you, K! Cha Jun 2016 #13
Great article! betsuni Jun 2016 #14
TPP is a WALL fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #19
I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean. betsuni Jun 2016 #21
International business IS engaged in a Hortensis Jun 2016 #63
Strive for progess, not perfection. KMOD Jun 2016 #69
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #135
Wow, tin ear AND insults. I am guessing the expiration date for elitist policy is nearing. eom Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #15
Hippie punching, nothing more. Scuba Jun 2016 #26
income and wealth inequality are unimportant when you're on the fat side of the equation tk2kewl Jun 2016 #39
Lots of white noise, always. Its how they roll. JEB Jun 2016 #43
Bernie, Corbyn and British unions all wanted the UK to stay in the EU. Yeah, they're elitists not pampango Jun 2016 #45
That quite a big leap you are taking there. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #60
"the expiration date for elitist policy is nearing". Not for conservative elitist policy it's not. pampango Jun 2016 #89
All elitist policy has an element of conservatism. Betty Karlson Jul 2016 #139
Bernie was not directly involved, of course, but he made his opinion known. n/t pampango Jul 2016 #140
"Getting things done" for Centrist Dmocrats has mean't, in many cases ... nikto Jun 2016 #16
+1 CrispyQ Jun 2016 #82
+5 appalachiablue Jun 2016 #133
Hope the "paleoliberals" get it cosmicone Jun 2016 #17
Pet Issues Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #18
KICK fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #20
Neo-liberalism was the buzzword of the week. LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #22
Coordinated 3 pronged stealth attack. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #112
Great resource link! Thanks KMOD! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #24
K&R, KMOD! BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #25
K&R Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #27
Looks like somebody shook (no pun intended) the crazy tree seabeckind Jun 2016 #28
Bam!!! You said it. nikto Jul 2016 #136
apologist claptrap AntiBank Jun 2016 #30
yep. Bill and now Obama were free to veto GOP bills and let them try to over-ride yurbud Jun 2016 #52
... dang, facts... disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #106
Your highly-Truthful post is hurtful to ONLY the NON-righteous hypocrites nikto Jul 2016 #137
Three things in the first two sentences that undermine the rest: rug Jun 2016 #32
Thread win. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #44
I don't have any of those things either, KMOD Jun 2016 #47
You get that that was an illustrative story, right? Squinch Jun 2016 #66
IKR!? Why anyone would buy the crap the article is selling. Rex Jun 2016 #73
And Bernie makes about $200,000 a year... R B Garr Jun 2016 #91
And the weight of an unladen African swallow is... Craig234 Jun 2016 #96
lol, so by the logic of the post I responded to, making a high salary would R B Garr Jun 2016 #104
No problem Craig234 Jun 2016 #105
Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #33
K&R. nt UtahLib Jun 2016 #35
Excellent read! Spazito Jun 2016 #36
K&R mcar Jun 2016 #37
Sometimes it is what you want it to be; not what it actually is. pampango Jun 2016 #38
I wonder if those pushing back on this OP recognize ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #40
In looking through some comments, KMOD Jun 2016 #70
Which, kind'a was a point the OP was making. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #72
Nope--precisely as expected. ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #84
Caribbean vacation - You have $20,000 available SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #75
I would venture to guess, despite protestations otherwise ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #77
IKR!? Rex Jun 2016 #78
Kick betsuni Jun 2016 #41
If Brexit really were a response to neoliberalism, then conservatives are sure smarter than liberals pampango Jun 2016 #46
Wait a minute, is it still raining? malthaussen Jun 2016 #50
Funny watching the elite project so much. Rex Jun 2016 #53
I find more bathos than pathos. malthaussen Jun 2016 #56
Good point. Rex Jun 2016 #58
well I suppose you could just place a few buckets around. KMOD Jun 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jun 2016 #51
I've got a degree in political science too, but . . FairWinds Jun 2016 #54
I'm still trying to imagine the Island Vacation, a lack of home insurance and 20K cash to Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #61
The person that wrote the article has a 5th grade education at best. Rex Jun 2016 #62
it's Milt Shook, a true hack who never meet a 3rd-way economic inflection point or so called left AntiBank Jun 2016 #64
Oh I know, we make fun of him year after year here on DU. Rex Jun 2016 #65
Pragmatism? Shebear Jun 2016 #67
The person that wrote the article doesn't understand what pragmatism means. Rex Jun 2016 #68
Caribbean vacation - You have $20,000 available SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #74
Mr. Shook appears to not understand . . FairWinds Jun 2016 #76
Another Pretentious Label... TomCADem Jun 2016 #79
Keep in mind these are people who measure success by their own profits. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #80
I am a union person, worked hard for my union, did a lot of organizing and did a lot of representing Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #81
The OP actually presented a list of ~371~of President Obama's accomplishments ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #83
I think the way to get people to vote for us Craig234 Jun 2016 #94
What? ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #107
So we are all for TPP now? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #85
see post Craig234 Jun 2016 #95
I always spell out specifics. Asymmetrical Investment Protection for one. AntiBank Jun 2016 #100
Thank you, Milt Shook, aka Chuckles, LWolf Jun 2016 #87
K&R Nitram Jun 2016 #88
My reaction Craig234 Jun 2016 #93
Kick to return later Hekate Jun 2016 #97
I agree, with one caveat DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #99
PS, about Europe DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #101
Your position is completely reasonable, KMOD Jun 2016 #108
Gompers, Wilson, Chamberlain, and the Industrialists are dead but their foul ideology lives. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2016 #110
Thank you KMOD! tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #111
Damn, this is so spot on, there is nothing to add! beastie boy Jun 2016 #113
Full of excuses runaway hero Jun 2016 #114
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #116
I find the author of your link, KMOD Jun 2016 #120
the only evidence of any "turning away" stupidicus Jun 2016 #123
barely? eeking? KMOD Jun 2016 #125
K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #121
I don't consider the purists progressive. joshcryer Jun 2016 #124
What complete horse crap. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #126
The saddest part is that the extremes get to classify everyone else. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #127
K&R Gothmog Jun 2016 #129
Excellent, excellent post!!! Thank you for sharing this! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #142
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