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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 03:46 PM

18. The writer is depending on some assumptions and making no effort to justify them

places the assumptions in the privileged default position of established fact.

One that there is any appreciable number of conservatives seeking serious debate.

Two, that the debate is actionable, that it can bear fruit because...

Three, it assumes this speculative group has any influence in their own party or are convincible to other arguments or that if we would just give in enough to their way of thinking that they would join us and we'd have a working majority to keep the barbarians off the gates (which three decades into just such a failed experiment has demonstrated to make the opposition more extreme and us chasing them trying and failing to fill the gap) or that they have anything to pull out of their failed ideology that is of any benefit to the people and if there is some worthwhile nugget it would have to be reexamined ground up to remove layer upon layer of distortion and lies.

Four, that there is some area of convergence of solution that is waiting to be seized upon just because if you broaden far enough we share common needs and desires.

Five, and by far the most Pollyanna is the assumption that the press would be forced to drill down on policy if only liberals would ignore the likes of Hannity and Rush. Forgetting we already tried and failed on that one as we stood by and watched their ascendancy in the first place. It is a solution for those who cannot remember just a little while ago or those trying to work the false equivalency/"sensible centrist" angle.

Six, it conflates willingness to have a serious debate with rubber meeting the road actual ability to do so. If you aren't operating from the same basic facts, the best intentions cannot overcome divergent realities and certainly not delusion. I bet nary a right winger wants his children to be breathing toxic air but even getting them to accept the air can be toxic is quite a way to go and getting them to make any effort to stop the toxins is near impossible and more difficult by the moment.

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GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #17
RobertEarl Jun 2012 #2
PSPS Jun 2012 #3
bbgrunt Jun 2012 #7
PSPS Jun 2012 #27
JDPriestly Jun 2012 #20
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #22
KurtNYC Jun 2012 #25
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #4
Scuba Jun 2012 #5
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AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #10
Scuba Jun 2012 #12
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just1voice Jun 2012 #9
Skidmore Jun 2012 #11
AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #13
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lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #15
hue Jun 2012 #16
Scuba Jun 2012 #23
LineReply The writer is depending on some assumptions and making no effort to justify them
TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #18
JDPriestly Jun 2012 #19
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #21
ThomThom Jun 2012 #24
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