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ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
38. Liars' Loans were usually initiated by the LENDERS...
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jun 2012

...and often (but not always), the borrowers were not aware of the lies perpetrated in their names:

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/01/18/making-a-liars-loan-with-help-from-the-loan-officer/

On Sept. 25, 2006, aspiring borrower faxes Marc Bristol, senior loan officer of JPMorgan Chase Home Mortgage, regarding a mortgage application:

"I have the following concerns with the documents you sent me:

(1) I do not make $34,000 a month or anything close to this figure. I am not comfortable signing a document with a number I can not document in some form.


Please notice, the borrower (in this case, a fairly sophisticated borrower) expressed concerns when the lender sent him a copy of the loan application that seriously misstated his income. In other words, just so you don't miss it, it was the loan officer and not the borrower who initiated the false information.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/lenders-put-the-lies-in-l_b_780521.html

William Black notes that the subprime lenders routinely failed to file any of the required SARS reports:

The typical nonprime lender deliberately violates its legal requirement to file a criminal referral when it discovers mortgage fraud even though that practice would be irrational for an honest lender. The federal regulatory agencies have not taken any effective action against these pervasive violation of their rules despite an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud that drove the ongoing financial crises.


Hi also notes that insiders are involved in 80% of the fraud:

The FBI, however, reports that 80% of mortgage fraud losses occur when "industry insiders" are involved in the fraud (FBI 2007).


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/post_1243_b_781593.html

He also blasts the idea that it was the unsophisticated borrowers who precipitated this crisis:

It strains all credulity to think that millions of working class Americans managed to defraud financially sophisticated lenders.

It is even more absurd to believe that honest lenders, finding themselves the victims of an epidemic of mortgage fraud by these clever working class Americans, responded by (1) massively expanding the number of liar's loans they made, (2) spreading them to subprime borrowers with severe credit defects, (3) made defaults on the loans, and the loss upon default, far greater by layering risk and inflating appraisals, and (4) slashed their allowances for losses (ALLL) to trivial levels to ensure that the inevitable fraud losses would cause catastrophic losses.

Investigations, to date, have confirmed this logic. The fraudulent nonprime lenders and brokers typically initiated, directed, and sometimes even directly created the lies on the liar's loans.


Again, he notes the massive amounts of fraud involved (which means the lenders had to have known), and again he notes that the fraud was most often initiated by the lenders:

A review of 100 stated income loans by one lender found that a shocking 90% of the applications overstated income by 5% or more and almost 60% overstated income by more than 50%. Importantly, our investigations have found that most stated income fraud occurs at the suggestion and direction of the loan originator, not the consumer.


And a couple of Black's remarks regarding Michael Hudson's book "The Monster":

Michael W. Hudson's new book, The Monster, reports on the results of numerous interviews with nonprime lenders. (He focused on Ameriquest.) Hudson reports that fraudulent nonprime lender personnel were compensated through perverse bonus programs that successfully encouraged them to do whatever it took to get liar's loans approved. That included forging the borrower's signature and changing information provided by the borrower to inflate income.


(emphasis mine)

Hudson also explains the tactics that loan officers use to intimidate borrowers to ensure that they did not read the false disclosures that the officers had fabricated.


Now please, do let us in on your inside knowledge of how lenders were never, ever to blame, and it was only those oh-so-crafty working class people who pulled the wool over the lenders' eyes. That's what caused this crisis, yep you betcha.

Gaak.


K & R. tosh Jun 2012 #1
this bank is up shit creek already - not at all like the big banks banned from Kos Jun 2012 #2
Maybe... But I Am Looking Forward To The Discovery Process... And See Where It Leads... WillyT Jun 2012 #3
yeah, Abacus is in a world of hurt but Morgan, Citi, BoA won't banned from Kos Jun 2012 #4
Interesting... So Why Bother Holding An Election ??? WillyT Jun 2012 #6
The rule of law wins, that is why banned from Kos Jun 2012 #8
So...The Rules Are Different For Small Banks And Large Banks ??? WillyT Jun 2012 #9
BTW... I'm Not Crying About Anything... WillyT Jun 2012 #11
I wish you the best (dry) gin martini in the country. banned from Kos Jun 2012 #15
Thanks... Next Question... WillyT Jun 2012 #19
This is a little off-topic, but... KansDem Jun 2012 #39
You know this how exactly? Have you investigated coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #12
I personally watched a Citimortgage V.P. explain to us how to commit fraud. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #37
'I am in finance, you TBTF "bank-haters" don't have a chance in hell to win.' marmar Jun 2012 #23
Banks are intermediaries like a 7-11 is banned from Kos Jun 2012 #25
So, the bank coached people on how to commit fraud? boppers Jun 2012 #17
No, actually, the homeowners can now sue. What fraud were the homeowners involved in? sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #46
I either mis-read the article, or it was an earlier version. boppers Jun 2012 #49
I guess you haven't been following the Civil Suits against the big banks. Lol, why am I not sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #27
I am all for the civil suits. I have stated repeatedly that such are a remedy banned from Kos Jun 2012 #42
Uh, again, I really, really hate to disappoint you, but the NY US Attorney does not agree with you sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #45
Wow! so when the derivatives bubble bursts will it be the banks fault? sarcasmo Jun 2012 #54
the FBI knew about the rampant mortgage fraud as early as 2003... roseBudd Jun 2012 #5
yes, those FBI warnings were about borrowers SCAMMING banks! banned from Kos Jun 2012 #7
Those bankers had no idea what was going on! SOS Jun 2012 #10
I appreciate your taking the time to post this link and excerpt from same. Please coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #14
I am waiting for a comment from him also, but I'm not too hopeful either! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #35
Yes, it takes an inside operator to scam a bank banned from Kos Jun 2012 #18
Don't forget the top executives at Washington Mutual SOS Jun 2012 #24
Read the bi-partisan Senate Committee's more than two year investigation into the sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #36
Liars' Loans were usually initiated by the LENDERS... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #38
Thanks for taking the time to post this... Agony Jun 2012 #41
Many lenders gamed the system. Notably Countrywide, IndyMac, WaMu and lots of banned from Kos Jun 2012 #43
There are good reasons to hate the TBTF banks... ljm2002 Jun 2012 #47
Baloney. The resources were very carefully not assigned. EFerrari Jun 2012 #26
Onward to the Big Fish! Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #13
LOL !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #16
That's all I know from fishing! Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #21
Will it be held in Boss Hogg's Courthouse? turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #20
Well I Guess We Will See... However, I'd Love It To Be Judge Rakoff... WillyT Jun 2012 #22
So they are going to prosecute them one by one, alphabetically? bluedigger Jun 2012 #28
wtf? do I hear an echo? look at my post down thread. corkhead Jun 2012 #30
Timing is everything. bluedigger Jun 2012 #31
Maybe they are going through them all alphabetically? corkhead Jun 2012 #29
Not by Holder. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #32
Yeah, call me when they take down Wells Farto. n/t Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #33
If corporations are people why can't we start indicting them for their crimes? Initech Jun 2012 #34
Systemically Dangerous Financial institutions - lets roll! Agony Jun 2012 #40
Yes It Does... WillyT Jun 2012 #44
Last Kick From Me... WillyT Jun 2012 #48
Oh, Ok... One More... WillyT Jun 2012 #50
Kick for Justice! Kick for William K. Black. Octafish Jun 2012 #51
You Are MORE Than Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #52
All 19 of them will plead the 5th. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #53
K&R. William Black interview is great! Overseas Jun 2012 #55
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