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In reply to the discussion: In my opinion, Democrats are falling into a deadly trap. [View all]jtuck004
(15,882 posts)50. BHO does not equal FDR - lol. No kidding. To your other point, maybe the thugs are successful
because most people don't feel a real, vibrant alternative exists, maybe they don't see people who really and truly believe in opportunity.
All they see is another party who agrees with the big boys that we need to cut debt, just not over there, and certainly not over here, but that, that over there, that's ok. And yeah, there are more people in poverty than there were 4 years ago, and there will be more next year - but they don't vote, so let's appease the enemy.
What a worthless position to sell.
People want hope, and they want work. They don't want fucking food stamps or government housing. Women want equality in the workplace - and they are getting their wish - checkers and greeters at Walmart, coffee baristas at Starbucks, home health care aides - all are paid equally. The problem is in the higher paying jobs, which are becoming extinct.
We will see in November, but I think we are having such trouble because we are not presenting enough of an alternative, we are accepting the enemies framing as our own, and even the dumbest political operative knows that is suicide. Even Clinton is calling Mi$$ Rmoney's work as a junk bond dealer "venture capital". I know he isn't that stupid, so does he have some other agenda, other than helping Democrats? And if so, why is he being asked to help the enemy?
This country desperately needs a new design, an infusion of at least a couple trillion dollars for jobs and education, and an overhaul of how wealth is distributed. And it's sure possible that the Democrats might lose.
It was very possible in the beginning that we could lose in WWII. Our army was small, our military was not big enough to take on what we needed. Even knowing that we engaged. But appeasement just brought more bombs and death. It took bodies in the streets to realize the fallacy of letting your enemy construct the dialogue.
This is no different. Look that the projections from the CBO - we think we've seen debt, but we haven't seen anything yet. They still show a chart expecting full employment in 2014, based on our current policies, yet we are already off the track they have published. Our debt should be an investment, not just dollars providing people with not quite enough food or housing or medical care or bombs.
We should expect a return, such as from a jobs program or an education program geared not for the 1950's with some upgraded tests but a curriculum geared toward dealing with the unknowns that are in front of us.
I would rather go down fighting for the right thing than as a simpering house serf playing the tune of the enemy.
So, so tired of people saying we have to make little wins to succeed. Look around. A rise in unemployment is success. We have NEVER had the increase in part-time jobs that we have now, and they are continuing to increase. This is success? We need to go after those things which all the short-sighted people tell us we can't do. Adopting the language of the enemy just to keep a job for a few months or years makes it murky, and win is nothing more than a delaying action. I don't think we will fail, because I think people really want the hope they were promised - but if we do, it will be clear to everyone as to what policies put us in down the drain.
And then we can get back to the work that is required.
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Just let the Bush tax cuts expire...don't make any exceptions...everyone must sacrifice!
rfranklin
Jun 2012
#1
Do you really have hope that our elected "Democrats" will do shit to help us?
MoonRiver
Jun 2012
#11
Watch out, language like that will bring down the wrath of the DU Neighborhood Watch.
rhett o rick
Jun 2012
#34
The way out is to let all the tax increases and spending cuts take effect at the end of the year
FarCenter
Jun 2012
#18
Let us get to 39% and we can slowly start talking about rolling back the Reagan tax-cuts.
Chan790
Jun 2012
#28
If the federal government didn't need to borrow in order to spend, the debt limit wouldn't matter
FarCenter
Jun 2012
#41
BHO does not equal FDR - lol. No kidding. To your other point, maybe the thugs are successful
jtuck004
Jun 2012
#50
I still think the derivative problem will be the bigger political problem. But, ...
Festivito
Jun 2012
#55
Absolutely. "Debt" is an illusion considering the banks' theft of TRILLIONS of our dollars,
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2012
#57