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Igel

(35,296 posts)
8. It is, but it's complicated.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:53 PM
Jun 2012

You have further to go to actually make it into the upper classes than in many countries.

Educational achievement is uneven and often runs in families. Single mother dropped out of school? Odds are greatly in favor of your dropping out of school. Few high-school dropouts in the upper classes. Blame it on uneven economic development, micro-cultural attitudes, whatever.

Class mobility is defined as being born and raised in one class and moving into another. So if you start with nothing but your upbringing and stay in that class it's assumed that somehow you actually took stuff--money, property, etc. Often the case in European countries. Not so much the case here.

I'm pretty much the same class as my parents. The only property I actually got from them was a car (high school graduation present) and $3000, which was actually the cashing out of my life insurance policy when I turned 18 and which I kept until last year (I'm in my 50s now).

In fact, it was also the case with my parents and their parents. Yet my parents parents left precisely nothing to my parents. At 18 my father left home; at 17, my mother. My mother--a single mother in the '50s--got some help from her mother, a roof over her head. But when she left home again she took her own income, her child, and her clothes.

It was the same with my wife before we got married--and with her parents, who only inherited a small amount when they were in their 50s.

The last two generations in my family started off with pretty much nothing when they left home. They weren't upwardly mobile, because their lifestyle in their teen years, which took them a decade or more to recreate, was very much like their final adult lifestyle. This isn't "upwardly mobile," by the operant definition.

You might also ask them why, by their own measure, America is the worst among all developed nations. enki23 Jun 2012 #1
That's the OLD story, athena. elleng Jun 2012 #2
Romney started with nothing! He pulled himself up by his bootstraps! rustydog Jun 2012 #3
That is not starting from nothing and he knows that. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #18
If you sell drugs. Bennyboy Jun 2012 #4
If you tell people we have low economic mobility... Bigmack Jun 2012 #5
Every sucker in this country thinks that someday they'll be on top. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #12
Thats funny. I will use that one. indivisibleman Jun 2012 #6
Class mobility is actually really low in the US compared to other nations. Quantess Jun 2012 #7
It is, but it's complicated. Igel Jun 2012 #8
Our manner of funding education is implicated there bhikkhu Jun 2012 #13
Reminds me of a few issues of the Silver Surfer Comic book... Xolodno Jun 2012 #9
"...you can start with nothing and make it big." unkachuck Jun 2012 #10
i just say if that's true, do it and show me how pitohui Jun 2012 #11
You can't start with nothing; but you can start with a lottery ticket FarCenter Jun 2012 #14
This is the old Immigrant vs. Nativist theory UTUSN Jun 2012 #15
You're talking about body fat, right? (nt) Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #16
I started with nothing HarveyDarkey Jun 2012 #17
Like Aristotle Onassis? kentuck Jun 2012 #19
And you can start with something and end up with nothing. hunter Jun 2012 #20
Perhaps they are immigrants? taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #21
You can also start with more than anyone could ever use and make even more! How excellent is that!? Kablooie Jun 2012 #22
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