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Fuck Awlaki. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #1
Some people say. Of course we can never really KNOW that because we are Luminous Animal May 2012 #3
Openly calling for the murder of Americans is not "protected political speech." TheWraith May 2012 #31
by this rationale, every teabagger proclaiming to "water the tree of liberty" is free game. nashville_brook May 2012 #33
Yep. And there is quite a bit of talk about an American civil war (and death for us liberals) Luminous Animal May 2012 #39
No answer, no surprise. Of course they should not be targeted and assassinated, but how long before sabrina 1 May 2012 #109
it makes no "pragmatic" sense either. nashville_brook May 2012 #210
Really. There was a trial held to consider whether or not Awlaki's speech was protected? Luminous Animal May 2012 #34
Have you read the story about the cannibal attacker in Miami, shot by a police officer? TheWraith May 2012 #46
please explain how this relates to POTUS "Terror Tuesdays" where they decide who to drone kill nashville_brook May 2012 #57
Um, lets see. Saving a guy from having his face eaten off while people are witnessing it... Luminous Animal May 2012 #63
You are comparing apples and zombies. morningfog May 2012 #66
Without picking nits Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #186
In granting powers it is dangerous territory to even for a second, to allow any separation TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #219
It's sad that the debate centers around an American citizen and not all human beings. Zalatix Jun 2012 #231
There is a wide expanse between protected speech and speech warranting execution. morningfog May 2012 #35
Actually it is MadHound May 2012 #105
LOL! Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #178
"what court has convicted him of a crime?" Bolo Boffin May 2012 #58
IOW you've got nothin'. Zalatix Jun 2012 #227
He is but one of the thousand or so killed by drone strike. morningfog May 2012 #8
How many innocent died in World War II? n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #56
One red herring load. morningfog May 2012 #59
Red herring, my ass. It's the goddamn point, handwaver. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #61
WWII deaths have absolutely nothing to do with innocent civilians dying from morningfog May 2012 #65
Bullshit. Casualities in war are of a piece. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #74
We are getting somewhere now. morningfog May 2012 #77
So the AUMF is a fiction? No, it's real. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #80
THe AUMF is a farce. Sad that is your go to. morningfog May 2012 #83
No, the AUMF is US law. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #84
The AUMF is terribly flawed and was written in a state of emergency OVER A DECADE AGO. morningfog May 2012 #86
Terribly flawed, says you. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #92
Link to where Congress has any role, ANY role of any kind in this process? morningfog May 2012 #95
It is also widely accepted that the AUMF is a horrendous piece of legislation. morningfog May 2012 #96
"widely accepted" by Glenn Greenwald and like minded pundits Bolo Boffin May 2012 #99
ANd the Supreme Court, when challenges to provisions have made it that far. morningfog May 2012 #100
Challenges to specific interpretations, you mean. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #104
And the ACLU, among many other civil libertarians. morningfog May 2012 #102
Congress never did declare war on terror, come to think of it. Good thing too, because coalition_unwilling May 2012 #161
Your tune will change the moment you are unfairly accused of being a terrorist and a drone strike Zalatix Jun 2012 #216
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #221
What's THAT irrelevant response supposed to mean? Zalatix Jun 2012 #225
Figured you couldn't explain your "Fuck Ron Paul" comment, LOL. Zalatix Jun 2012 #228
yeah, and we rushed in to protect the innocent in that war. we're the aggressors here. nashville_brook May 2012 #69
We're the aggressors here? Perhaps you slept in on September 11th, 2001? n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #76
If you ahve to go back 11 years to defend and justify a tactic, I would say that tactic has failed. morningfog May 2012 #78
Al Qaeda started this war. Obama is ending it. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #79
I'll believe it when I see it. morningfog May 2012 #81
The Iraq invasion is over. The Afghanistan invasion is ending. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #85
I'm waiting for Dennis Kucinich to introduce a repeal of the AUMF he voted for. nt msanthrope May 2012 #87
He better hurry up! n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #93
The covert wars in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and where ever next continue. morningfog May 2012 #88
The use of military force against Al Qaeda and associated orgs does continue, yes. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #91
Actually, if you go back and look at US foreign policy for the past forty years, MadHound May 2012 #107
So the 9/11 attack was justified? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #112
Well, a lot of people saw it coming, for years and decades. MadHound May 2012 #115
You are a good egg, MadHound. Peace. Luminous Animal May 2012 #117
As Abraham Lincoln once said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is coalition_unwilling May 2012 #163
There are 2-3 million southeast Asians still waiting for some karmic payback to us, come coalition_unwilling May 2012 #162
Ending it? I don't see much sign that this will end...ever. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #217
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #220
Still no explanation on what you mean by that "Fuck Ron Paul" nonsense, eh? Zalatix Jun 2012 #229
Yes, we are the aggressors here. Did you support the Iraq War too? sabrina 1 May 2012 #156
No, I did not support the Iraq invasion or occupation. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #157
And that is one of the reasons why he was respected. He is an honest man, he, like a majority of sabrina 1 May 2012 #195
He gained respect during the Bush years by writing about that Admin's excesses Luminous Animal May 2012 #200
Putting Iraq casualties in perspective: besides the estimated 1 million Iraqis coalition_unwilling May 2012 #164
Thank you, yes. And we could include the half million who died sabrina 1 May 2012 #196
Before Operation Desert Shield/Storm, Iraq had the highest per-captia standard of living coalition_unwilling May 2012 #197
Belligerently issued from the comfort of a straining barcalounger whatchamacallit May 2012 #12
Peeping in my windows, are you? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #55
was his son also a "legitimate target"? nashville_brook May 2012 #14
His son was never a target. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #49
the 16-year old was killed by a drone at a BBQ...far from a battlefield. nashville_brook May 2012 #67
Awlaki's son was never a military target. That's the point. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #75
Do you know that for a fact? MadHound May 2012 #108
Yep. I do. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #110
No, really, you don't. MadHound May 2012 #114
So you're going around this thread chiding people for saying that the son was the target? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #125
Ah, good, you're back on topic, thank you, your strawman act was getting boring, MadHound May 2012 #129
"I'm not chiding you for saying Al-Banna was the target" -- the hell you aren't! Bolo Boffin May 2012 #132
Apparently your reading comprehension is slipping with age. MadHound May 2012 #139
OK, so you're not human enough to own your own words. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #147
It's positively medieval is what it is. Think Star Chamber (or some such coalition_unwilling May 2012 #165
Interesting. Your own goverernment won't coonfirm that. YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT Luminous Animal May 2012 #119
My own government? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #122
Look, it's another strawman! MadHound May 2012 #124
How is it a straw man to say Luminous isn't a US citizen? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #126
Well. No you don't. Luminous Animal May 2012 #131
Where the hell did you get that from? Jeesh. I was speaking directly to you. Luminous Animal May 2012 #128
I got it from your words. Is it incorrect? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #130
Thanks for the apology. Luminous Animal May 2012 #133
You are a US citizen, correct? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #134
Is this a purity test? Am I suspect? Do I need to show my birth certificate? Luminous Animal May 2012 #144
This is a question. A pretty simple one at that. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #146
Wow, somebody's channelling McCarthy tonight. MadHound May 2012 #148
Not me. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #149
Are you? Where were you born? Show your birth announcement. Luminous Animal May 2012 #151
Yes, I am an American citizen. I was born in Demopolis, Alabama. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #154
Perhaps I have a Brazilian boyfriend and my opinion is suspect.Perhaps some people think I am Kenyan Luminous Animal May 2012 #158
Perhaps you could crawl down off that cross. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #159
You don't have to say shit about your citizenship status to this one. Tell him to "Lighten Up, eh" DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #191
Bolo Boffin apologizes the same way Romney does: "If I offended anyone, I coalition_unwilling May 2012 #166
There really is no call for that sort of rude accusation. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #173
No ruder than your unfounded insinuation that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #174
I never said that. That's something you imported to this discussion. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #175
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As I said, you're projecting that onto what I've said. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #177
Hey LA, give it up, MadHound May 2012 #137
Indeed. Love ya Madhound. Luminous Animal May 2012 #141
Back 'atcha, MadHound May 2012 #145
"one I've seen for ten years now." Bolo Boffin May 2012 #143
It seems pretty obvious to me. morningfog May 2012 #202
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #206
Right. That Yemeni / American war. And fuck his blown-up kid too, right? DirkGently May 2012 #17
No, the AUMF doesn't authorize a war between America and Yemen Bolo Boffin May 2012 #52
Is his son happy about that fact today? upi402 May 2012 #136
As happy as the innocent people who died in the D-Day invasion are. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #140
That kid? Oh, why that was actually a terrorist coalition_unwilling May 2012 #167
Nobody loves al-Awlaki here. You really mean "Fuck the Constitution!" Poll_Blind May 2012 #21
There has been no fucking of the Constitution. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #50
so, what does "due process" mean to you? nashville_brook May 2012 #70
Easy. It's where you do a process. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #71
Military targets don't get the same kind of due process as an accused criminal. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #73
What is the due process to define one as a "military target"? morningfog May 2012 #89
I believe you know what that process is. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #90
I don't, not exactly. Do you? morningfog May 2012 #94
Well then why am I talking to you? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #98
as you could be stupidicus May 2012 #23
I think I explained the war fairly well. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #51
oh, that phony "WOT" stuff stupidicus May 2012 #187
I didn't say anything about the War on Terrorism stuff Bolo Boffin May 2012 #193
I'd suggest you study the problem at greater length stupidicus May 2012 #207
That is a lovely source you have there in fff.org Bolo Boffin May 2012 #211
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Someone alerted on this. Here are the results stevenleser Jun 2012 #214
Thanks for posting this Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #233
Thanks! I'm juror #2 :-) stevenleser Jun 2012 #234
+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #72
Who, or what are we at war with? MadHound May 2012 #97
Have you not read the AUMF? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #101
Ah yes, that open ended, Constitutionally shaky, Bush dream document MadHound May 2012 #106
Have I said this is because the President doing it has a D behind his name? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #113
I was explaining my point of view, in my own way, MadHound May 2012 #116
Putting your words into my mouth, which is what you did, is the very definition Bolo Boffin May 2012 #118
Sad, truly sad, MadHound May 2012 #121
Well, when someone is rude enough to put words into my mouth to knock them down Bolo Boffin May 2012 #127
WHOOMP, there it is MadHound May 2012 #135
What I get tired of is people like you assuming you can speak for me Bolo Boffin May 2012 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish May 2012 #182
We have a "War on Drugs" so I guess we can kill any drug user at will.. Bandit May 2012 #183
No, that's a branding exercise, as is the War on Terrorism. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #192
Says who? Zalatix Jun 2012 #215
Fuck Ron Paul. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #222
Thanks for kicking this thread. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #223
Thanks for thanking me. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #224
And again what is this non-response supposed to mean? That you're afraid to answer the question? Zalatix Jun 2012 #226
I would think "Fuck Ron Paul" is self-explanatory. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #230
If by self-explanatory you mean "a copout and an evasive response", perhaps you are right. Zalatix Jun 2012 #232
It gives the meaning I always felt was meant when Bush said he was "The Decider". Gregorian May 2012 #2
Who would Mittens, the chickenhawk war cheerleader 'decide' to take out, is a good question, too. freshwest May 2012 #6
There was a thread recently on a number of North Koreans who had died in "car accidents" Gregorian May 2012 #10
These are crimes against humanity gratuitous May 2012 #4
I love some of the points you make. Really insightful. Gregorian May 2012 #9
not only would this not "be recognized" by the writers of the Constitution, it's exactly what they nashville_brook May 2012 #13
heck, it was decided in 1641 when they closed the Star Chamber MisterP May 2012 #180
Correct. These are crimes against humanity. RC May 2012 #20
Thank you. woo me with science May 2012 #37
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000. Please, please consider turning coalition_unwilling May 2012 #168
beyond orwellian nashville_brook May 2012 #209
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #5
I'll take the constitutional scholar's interpretation over that of a Brazilian asswipe any day. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #7
so, for you "due process" = the (current) president gave it some thought while walking the dog nashville_brook May 2012 #11
The Brazilian asswipe is a Constitutional lawyer too. DirkGently May 2012 #16
i'm wondering if some folk's willingness to grant kinglike authority to the president nashville_brook May 2012 #18
Fuck Glenn Greenwald, and the Libertarian horse he rode in on! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #43
Incisive. (nt) DirkGently May 2012 #44
does it upset you that the president has "Terror Tuesdays" when he decides who to kill... nashville_brook May 2012 #53
Yeehaw! And Gore invented the internet, Kerry is a coward, and Obama was born in Kenya. It's true Luminous Animal May 2012 #54
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Love you too!!! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #152
That's ridiculous and uncalled for. Bonobo May 2012 #160
Tarheel Dem: Slurs & No Content. Poll_Blind May 2012 #22
I can't figure out how Brazilian got in there? Even if true, is it supposed to be an insult? Luminous Animal May 2012 #26
clearly, Americans living in other countries are suspect. targets, if you will... nashville_brook May 2012 #30
What he's not an Amurrican? Oh wait, yes he is. It's his boyfriend that is Brazilian. Luminous Animal May 2012 #24
Amen, if the president doesn't have the constitutional authority to order hughee99 May 2012 #190
Greenwald is an American who is subjected to being called names because Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #218
K&R DeSwiss May 2012 #15
Right. Somehow the messier drone kills are the only secret ones. DirkGently May 2012 #19
Any law professor (or President).... DeSwiss May 2012 #29
precisely -- this is essentially a refusal to assent to the Constitution nashville_brook May 2012 #32
Not much of a Constitution if every President can "interpret" it away. DirkGently May 2012 #47
spot on. nashville_brook May 2012 #68
Lets see what he writes, if they let him write Iliyah May 2012 #25
"He gave up the right of citizenship when he declared war on America." Luminous Animal May 2012 #28
I don't care Iliyah May 2012 #36
It seems like they are caring quite a bit about 100+ years of western dominance... Luminous Animal May 2012 #41
so, don't criticize illegal assassination on the part of a Dem POTUS, b/c nashville_brook May 2012 #42
Hey, this man called for death to Americans as well, MadHound May 2012 #111
which is the worst of it stupidicus May 2012 #27
Your bolded part should resonate with all people seeking peace. How can we expect Luminous Animal May 2012 #60
indeed stupidicus May 2012 #188
very good point -- here's some first person statements by drone strike victims (Harper's) nashville_brook May 2012 #62
Children fear their lives? Umm, that's called "Terrorism". Bonobo May 2012 #120
declare war or stop the killing. it's really that simple. nashville_brook May 2012 #204
it simply amazes me stupidicus May 2012 #189
well...war is a racket...and to keep the racket going there has to be conflict... nashville_brook May 2012 #205
you know it stupidicus May 2012 #208
DU Rec. nt woo me with science May 2012 #38
Greenwald Madmiddle May 2012 #40
That was Clinton who did that. It was Clinton's Secretary of State, Albright who said the death Luminous Animal May 2012 #45
you should use the Google thingy every now and then. nashville_brook May 2012 #48
Thank you. DeSwiss May 2012 #153
that's a very good quote. nashville_brook May 2012 #198
Anyone who writes this off... Bonobo May 2012 #64
Woo-hoo. Let's bring back Star Chamber while we're at it. It's OK because it's our coalition_unwilling May 2012 #169
Well I got news for all of you... zeemike May 2012 #82
Eugene Hasenfus Bonobo May 2012 #103
Yep I remember that. zeemike May 2012 #123
The bill of rights is too narrow. craigmatic May 2012 #142
"Barack said to whack you out." kenny blankenship May 2012 #155
I think this reply wins the thread for its Tarantino-esque coalition_unwilling May 2012 #170
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #185
I've used to think that Republicans were unprincipled and Democrats were principled. BlueCheese May 2012 #171
I'm really going to be holding my nose when I go into the voting booth in November - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #172
K&R. This is a Big Fucking Deal. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #179
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #184
How is this different from Pres. Assad ordering some FSA figure shot, or Kadaffi's assassinations? leveymg May 2012 #181
on the bright side... nashville_brook May 2012 #194
This is what happens when you have Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius run your counter-terrorism program. leveymg May 2012 #199
love it! nashville_brook May 2012 #203
attack the messenger... duh fascisthunter May 2012 #201
I have always disliked Glenn Greewald GarroHorus May 2012 #212
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