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TheWraith

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31. Openly calling for the murder of Americans is not "protected political speech."
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:06 PM
May 2012

And this ongoing talking point that "Well, we don't REALLY know if he did anything!" is bullshit. Besides his openly broadcast exhortations to murder, his conviction in Yemen for conspiracy to commit murder in the death of a French citizen, and his open claims of responsibility in several attempted attacks, it's asinine to continue trying to claim that "it's only cuz the Evil Big Gubmint says he was bad!"

Fuck Awlaki. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #1
Some people say. Of course we can never really KNOW that because we are Luminous Animal May 2012 #3
Openly calling for the murder of Americans is not "protected political speech." TheWraith May 2012 #31
by this rationale, every teabagger proclaiming to "water the tree of liberty" is free game. nashville_brook May 2012 #33
Yep. And there is quite a bit of talk about an American civil war (and death for us liberals) Luminous Animal May 2012 #39
No answer, no surprise. Of course they should not be targeted and assassinated, but how long before sabrina 1 May 2012 #109
it makes no "pragmatic" sense either. nashville_brook May 2012 #210
Really. There was a trial held to consider whether or not Awlaki's speech was protected? Luminous Animal May 2012 #34
Have you read the story about the cannibal attacker in Miami, shot by a police officer? TheWraith May 2012 #46
please explain how this relates to POTUS "Terror Tuesdays" where they decide who to drone kill nashville_brook May 2012 #57
Um, lets see. Saving a guy from having his face eaten off while people are witnessing it... Luminous Animal May 2012 #63
You are comparing apples and zombies. morningfog May 2012 #66
Without picking nits Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #186
In granting powers it is dangerous territory to even for a second, to allow any separation TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #219
It's sad that the debate centers around an American citizen and not all human beings. Zalatix Jun 2012 #231
There is a wide expanse between protected speech and speech warranting execution. morningfog May 2012 #35
Actually it is MadHound May 2012 #105
LOL! Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #178
"what court has convicted him of a crime?" Bolo Boffin May 2012 #58
IOW you've got nothin'. Zalatix Jun 2012 #227
He is but one of the thousand or so killed by drone strike. morningfog May 2012 #8
How many innocent died in World War II? n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #56
One red herring load. morningfog May 2012 #59
Red herring, my ass. It's the goddamn point, handwaver. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #61
WWII deaths have absolutely nothing to do with innocent civilians dying from morningfog May 2012 #65
Bullshit. Casualities in war are of a piece. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #74
We are getting somewhere now. morningfog May 2012 #77
So the AUMF is a fiction? No, it's real. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #80
THe AUMF is a farce. Sad that is your go to. morningfog May 2012 #83
No, the AUMF is US law. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #84
The AUMF is terribly flawed and was written in a state of emergency OVER A DECADE AGO. morningfog May 2012 #86
Terribly flawed, says you. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #92
Link to where Congress has any role, ANY role of any kind in this process? morningfog May 2012 #95
It is also widely accepted that the AUMF is a horrendous piece of legislation. morningfog May 2012 #96
"widely accepted" by Glenn Greenwald and like minded pundits Bolo Boffin May 2012 #99
ANd the Supreme Court, when challenges to provisions have made it that far. morningfog May 2012 #100
Challenges to specific interpretations, you mean. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #104
And the ACLU, among many other civil libertarians. morningfog May 2012 #102
Congress never did declare war on terror, come to think of it. Good thing too, because coalition_unwilling May 2012 #161
Your tune will change the moment you are unfairly accused of being a terrorist and a drone strike Zalatix Jun 2012 #216
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #221
What's THAT irrelevant response supposed to mean? Zalatix Jun 2012 #225
Figured you couldn't explain your "Fuck Ron Paul" comment, LOL. Zalatix Jun 2012 #228
yeah, and we rushed in to protect the innocent in that war. we're the aggressors here. nashville_brook May 2012 #69
We're the aggressors here? Perhaps you slept in on September 11th, 2001? n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #76
If you ahve to go back 11 years to defend and justify a tactic, I would say that tactic has failed. morningfog May 2012 #78
Al Qaeda started this war. Obama is ending it. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #79
I'll believe it when I see it. morningfog May 2012 #81
The Iraq invasion is over. The Afghanistan invasion is ending. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #85
I'm waiting for Dennis Kucinich to introduce a repeal of the AUMF he voted for. nt msanthrope May 2012 #87
He better hurry up! n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #93
The covert wars in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and where ever next continue. morningfog May 2012 #88
The use of military force against Al Qaeda and associated orgs does continue, yes. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #91
Actually, if you go back and look at US foreign policy for the past forty years, MadHound May 2012 #107
So the 9/11 attack was justified? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #112
Well, a lot of people saw it coming, for years and decades. MadHound May 2012 #115
You are a good egg, MadHound. Peace. Luminous Animal May 2012 #117
As Abraham Lincoln once said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is coalition_unwilling May 2012 #163
There are 2-3 million southeast Asians still waiting for some karmic payback to us, come coalition_unwilling May 2012 #162
Ending it? I don't see much sign that this will end...ever. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #217
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #220
Still no explanation on what you mean by that "Fuck Ron Paul" nonsense, eh? Zalatix Jun 2012 #229
Yes, we are the aggressors here. Did you support the Iraq War too? sabrina 1 May 2012 #156
No, I did not support the Iraq invasion or occupation. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #157
And that is one of the reasons why he was respected. He is an honest man, he, like a majority of sabrina 1 May 2012 #195
He gained respect during the Bush years by writing about that Admin's excesses Luminous Animal May 2012 #200
Putting Iraq casualties in perspective: besides the estimated 1 million Iraqis coalition_unwilling May 2012 #164
Thank you, yes. And we could include the half million who died sabrina 1 May 2012 #196
Before Operation Desert Shield/Storm, Iraq had the highest per-captia standard of living coalition_unwilling May 2012 #197
Belligerently issued from the comfort of a straining barcalounger whatchamacallit May 2012 #12
Peeping in my windows, are you? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #55
was his son also a "legitimate target"? nashville_brook May 2012 #14
His son was never a target. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #49
the 16-year old was killed by a drone at a BBQ...far from a battlefield. nashville_brook May 2012 #67
Awlaki's son was never a military target. That's the point. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #75
Do you know that for a fact? MadHound May 2012 #108
Yep. I do. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #110
No, really, you don't. MadHound May 2012 #114
So you're going around this thread chiding people for saying that the son was the target? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #125
Ah, good, you're back on topic, thank you, your strawman act was getting boring, MadHound May 2012 #129
"I'm not chiding you for saying Al-Banna was the target" -- the hell you aren't! Bolo Boffin May 2012 #132
Apparently your reading comprehension is slipping with age. MadHound May 2012 #139
OK, so you're not human enough to own your own words. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #147
It's positively medieval is what it is. Think Star Chamber (or some such coalition_unwilling May 2012 #165
Interesting. Your own goverernment won't coonfirm that. YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT Luminous Animal May 2012 #119
My own government? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #122
Look, it's another strawman! MadHound May 2012 #124
How is it a straw man to say Luminous isn't a US citizen? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #126
Well. No you don't. Luminous Animal May 2012 #131
Where the hell did you get that from? Jeesh. I was speaking directly to you. Luminous Animal May 2012 #128
I got it from your words. Is it incorrect? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #130
Thanks for the apology. Luminous Animal May 2012 #133
You are a US citizen, correct? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #134
Is this a purity test? Am I suspect? Do I need to show my birth certificate? Luminous Animal May 2012 #144
This is a question. A pretty simple one at that. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #146
Wow, somebody's channelling McCarthy tonight. MadHound May 2012 #148
Not me. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #149
Are you? Where were you born? Show your birth announcement. Luminous Animal May 2012 #151
Yes, I am an American citizen. I was born in Demopolis, Alabama. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #154
Perhaps I have a Brazilian boyfriend and my opinion is suspect.Perhaps some people think I am Kenyan Luminous Animal May 2012 #158
Perhaps you could crawl down off that cross. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #159
You don't have to say shit about your citizenship status to this one. Tell him to "Lighten Up, eh" DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #191
Bolo Boffin apologizes the same way Romney does: "If I offended anyone, I coalition_unwilling May 2012 #166
There really is no call for that sort of rude accusation. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #173
No ruder than your unfounded insinuation that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #174
I never said that. That's something you imported to this discussion. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #175
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #176
As I said, you're projecting that onto what I've said. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #177
Hey LA, give it up, MadHound May 2012 #137
Indeed. Love ya Madhound. Luminous Animal May 2012 #141
Back 'atcha, MadHound May 2012 #145
"one I've seen for ten years now." Bolo Boffin May 2012 #143
It seems pretty obvious to me. morningfog May 2012 #202
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #206
Right. That Yemeni / American war. And fuck his blown-up kid too, right? DirkGently May 2012 #17
No, the AUMF doesn't authorize a war between America and Yemen Bolo Boffin May 2012 #52
Is his son happy about that fact today? upi402 May 2012 #136
As happy as the innocent people who died in the D-Day invasion are. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #140
That kid? Oh, why that was actually a terrorist coalition_unwilling May 2012 #167
Nobody loves al-Awlaki here. You really mean "Fuck the Constitution!" Poll_Blind May 2012 #21
There has been no fucking of the Constitution. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #50
so, what does "due process" mean to you? nashville_brook May 2012 #70
Easy. It's where you do a process. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #71
Military targets don't get the same kind of due process as an accused criminal. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #73
What is the due process to define one as a "military target"? morningfog May 2012 #89
I believe you know what that process is. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #90
I don't, not exactly. Do you? morningfog May 2012 #94
Well then why am I talking to you? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #98
as you could be stupidicus May 2012 #23
I think I explained the war fairly well. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #51
oh, that phony "WOT" stuff stupidicus May 2012 #187
I didn't say anything about the War on Terrorism stuff Bolo Boffin May 2012 #193
I'd suggest you study the problem at greater length stupidicus May 2012 #207
That is a lovely source you have there in fff.org Bolo Boffin May 2012 #211
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #213
Someone alerted on this. Here are the results stevenleser Jun 2012 #214
Thanks for posting this Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #233
Thanks! I'm juror #2 :-) stevenleser Jun 2012 #234
+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #72
Who, or what are we at war with? MadHound May 2012 #97
Have you not read the AUMF? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #101
Ah yes, that open ended, Constitutionally shaky, Bush dream document MadHound May 2012 #106
Have I said this is because the President doing it has a D behind his name? Bolo Boffin May 2012 #113
I was explaining my point of view, in my own way, MadHound May 2012 #116
Putting your words into my mouth, which is what you did, is the very definition Bolo Boffin May 2012 #118
Sad, truly sad, MadHound May 2012 #121
Well, when someone is rude enough to put words into my mouth to knock them down Bolo Boffin May 2012 #127
WHOOMP, there it is MadHound May 2012 #135
What I get tired of is people like you assuming you can speak for me Bolo Boffin May 2012 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish May 2012 #182
We have a "War on Drugs" so I guess we can kill any drug user at will.. Bandit May 2012 #183
No, that's a branding exercise, as is the War on Terrorism. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #192
Says who? Zalatix Jun 2012 #215
Fuck Ron Paul. Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #222
Thanks for kicking this thread. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #223
Thanks for thanking me. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #224
And again what is this non-response supposed to mean? That you're afraid to answer the question? Zalatix Jun 2012 #226
I would think "Fuck Ron Paul" is self-explanatory. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #230
If by self-explanatory you mean "a copout and an evasive response", perhaps you are right. Zalatix Jun 2012 #232
It gives the meaning I always felt was meant when Bush said he was "The Decider". Gregorian May 2012 #2
Who would Mittens, the chickenhawk war cheerleader 'decide' to take out, is a good question, too. freshwest May 2012 #6
There was a thread recently on a number of North Koreans who had died in "car accidents" Gregorian May 2012 #10
These are crimes against humanity gratuitous May 2012 #4
I love some of the points you make. Really insightful. Gregorian May 2012 #9
not only would this not "be recognized" by the writers of the Constitution, it's exactly what they nashville_brook May 2012 #13
heck, it was decided in 1641 when they closed the Star Chamber MisterP May 2012 #180
Correct. These are crimes against humanity. RC May 2012 #20
Thank you. woo me with science May 2012 #37
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000. Please, please consider turning coalition_unwilling May 2012 #168
beyond orwellian nashville_brook May 2012 #209
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #5
I'll take the constitutional scholar's interpretation over that of a Brazilian asswipe any day. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #7
so, for you "due process" = the (current) president gave it some thought while walking the dog nashville_brook May 2012 #11
The Brazilian asswipe is a Constitutional lawyer too. DirkGently May 2012 #16
i'm wondering if some folk's willingness to grant kinglike authority to the president nashville_brook May 2012 #18
Fuck Glenn Greenwald, and the Libertarian horse he rode in on! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #43
Incisive. (nt) DirkGently May 2012 #44
does it upset you that the president has "Terror Tuesdays" when he decides who to kill... nashville_brook May 2012 #53
Yeehaw! And Gore invented the internet, Kerry is a coward, and Obama was born in Kenya. It's true Luminous Animal May 2012 #54
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #150
Love you too!!! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #152
That's ridiculous and uncalled for. Bonobo May 2012 #160
Tarheel Dem: Slurs & No Content. Poll_Blind May 2012 #22
I can't figure out how Brazilian got in there? Even if true, is it supposed to be an insult? Luminous Animal May 2012 #26
clearly, Americans living in other countries are suspect. targets, if you will... nashville_brook May 2012 #30
What he's not an Amurrican? Oh wait, yes he is. It's his boyfriend that is Brazilian. Luminous Animal May 2012 #24
Amen, if the president doesn't have the constitutional authority to order hughee99 May 2012 #190
Greenwald is an American who is subjected to being called names because Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #218
K&R DeSwiss May 2012 #15
Right. Somehow the messier drone kills are the only secret ones. DirkGently May 2012 #19
Any law professor (or President).... DeSwiss May 2012 #29
precisely -- this is essentially a refusal to assent to the Constitution nashville_brook May 2012 #32
Not much of a Constitution if every President can "interpret" it away. DirkGently May 2012 #47
spot on. nashville_brook May 2012 #68
Lets see what he writes, if they let him write Iliyah May 2012 #25
"He gave up the right of citizenship when he declared war on America." Luminous Animal May 2012 #28
I don't care Iliyah May 2012 #36
It seems like they are caring quite a bit about 100+ years of western dominance... Luminous Animal May 2012 #41
so, don't criticize illegal assassination on the part of a Dem POTUS, b/c nashville_brook May 2012 #42
Hey, this man called for death to Americans as well, MadHound May 2012 #111
which is the worst of it stupidicus May 2012 #27
Your bolded part should resonate with all people seeking peace. How can we expect Luminous Animal May 2012 #60
indeed stupidicus May 2012 #188
very good point -- here's some first person statements by drone strike victims (Harper's) nashville_brook May 2012 #62
Children fear their lives? Umm, that's called "Terrorism". Bonobo May 2012 #120
declare war or stop the killing. it's really that simple. nashville_brook May 2012 #204
it simply amazes me stupidicus May 2012 #189
well...war is a racket...and to keep the racket going there has to be conflict... nashville_brook May 2012 #205
you know it stupidicus May 2012 #208
DU Rec. nt woo me with science May 2012 #38
Greenwald Madmiddle May 2012 #40
That was Clinton who did that. It was Clinton's Secretary of State, Albright who said the death Luminous Animal May 2012 #45
you should use the Google thingy every now and then. nashville_brook May 2012 #48
Thank you. DeSwiss May 2012 #153
that's a very good quote. nashville_brook May 2012 #198
Anyone who writes this off... Bonobo May 2012 #64
Woo-hoo. Let's bring back Star Chamber while we're at it. It's OK because it's our coalition_unwilling May 2012 #169
Well I got news for all of you... zeemike May 2012 #82
Eugene Hasenfus Bonobo May 2012 #103
Yep I remember that. zeemike May 2012 #123
The bill of rights is too narrow. craigmatic May 2012 #142
"Barack said to whack you out." kenny blankenship May 2012 #155
I think this reply wins the thread for its Tarantino-esque coalition_unwilling May 2012 #170
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #185
I've used to think that Republicans were unprincipled and Democrats were principled. BlueCheese May 2012 #171
I'm really going to be holding my nose when I go into the voting booth in November - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #172
K&R. This is a Big Fucking Deal. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #179
+1 nashville_brook May 2012 #184
How is this different from Pres. Assad ordering some FSA figure shot, or Kadaffi's assassinations? leveymg May 2012 #181
on the bright side... nashville_brook May 2012 #194
This is what happens when you have Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius run your counter-terrorism program. leveymg May 2012 #199
love it! nashville_brook May 2012 #203
attack the messenger... duh fascisthunter May 2012 #201
I have always disliked Glenn Greewald GarroHorus May 2012 #212
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