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In the discussion thread: Greenwald: How extremism is normalized: Obama's Radical Interpretation of The Bill of Rights [View all]

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Wed May 30, 2012, 08:53 PM

DeSwiss (17,178 posts)

29. Any law professor (or President)....

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...who agrees with the idea that memos from the Office of Legal Counsel and/or advice from National Security Advisors constitutes ''due process of law'' (which assures: “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property....''), as provided for in the US Constitution is either an idiot or a coward, or both.

- And as I recall, we said so here at DU quite adamantly and quite clearly with no ambiguousness whatsoever, when George W. Bush did this when he was President.....

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Greenwald: How extremism is normalized: Obama's Radical Interpretation of The Bill of Rights [View all]	Karmadillo	May 2012	OP
Fuck Awlaki.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#1
Some people say. Of course we can never really KNOW that because we are	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#3
Openly calling for the murder of Americans is not "protected political speech."	TheWraith	May 2012	#31
by this rationale, every teabagger proclaiming to "water the tree of liberty" is free game.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#33
Yep. And there is quite a bit of talk about an American civil war (and death for us liberals)	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#39
No answer, no surprise. Of course they should not be targeted and assassinated, but how long before	sabrina 1	May 2012	#109
it makes no "pragmatic" sense either.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#210
Really. There was a trial held to consider whether or not Awlaki's speech was protected?	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#34
Have you read the story about the cannibal attacker in Miami, shot by a police officer?	TheWraith	May 2012	#46
please explain how this relates to POTUS "Terror Tuesdays" where they decide who to drone kill	nashville_brook	May 2012	#57
Um, lets see. Saving a guy from having his face eaten off while people are witnessing it...	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#63
You are comparing apples and zombies.	morningfog	May 2012	#66
Without picking nits	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#186
In granting powers it is dangerous territory to even for a second, to allow any separation	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#219
It's sad that the debate centers around an American citizen and not all human beings.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#231
There is a wide expanse between protected speech and speech warranting execution.	morningfog	May 2012	#35
Actually it is	MadHound	May 2012	#105
LOL!	Egalitarian Thug	May 2012	#178
"what court has convicted him of a crime?"	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#58
IOW you've got nothin'.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#227
He is but one of the thousand or so killed by drone strike.	morningfog	May 2012	#8
How many innocent died in World War II? n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#56
One red herring load.	morningfog	May 2012	#59
Red herring, my ass. It's the goddamn point, handwaver. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#61
WWII deaths have absolutely nothing to do with innocent civilians dying from	morningfog	May 2012	#65
Bullshit. Casualities in war are of a piece. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#74
We are getting somewhere now.	morningfog	May 2012	#77
So the AUMF is a fiction? No, it's real.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#80
THe AUMF is a farce. Sad that is your go to.	morningfog	May 2012	#83
No, the AUMF is US law.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#84
The AUMF is terribly flawed and was written in a state of emergency OVER A DECADE AGO.	morningfog	May 2012	#86
Terribly flawed, says you.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#92
Link to where Congress has any role, ANY role of any kind in this process?	morningfog	May 2012	#95
It is also widely accepted that the AUMF is a horrendous piece of legislation.	morningfog	May 2012	#96
"widely accepted" by Glenn Greenwald and like minded pundits	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#99
ANd the Supreme Court, when challenges to provisions have made it that far.	morningfog	May 2012	#100
Challenges to specific interpretations, you mean. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#104
And the ACLU, among many other civil libertarians.	morningfog	May 2012	#102
Congress never did declare war on terror, come to think of it. Good thing too, because	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#161
Your tune will change the moment you are unfairly accused of being a terrorist and a drone strike	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#216
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#221
What's THAT irrelevant response supposed to mean?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#225
Figured you couldn't explain your "Fuck Ron Paul" comment, LOL.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#228
yeah, and we rushed in to protect the innocent in that war. we're the aggressors here.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#69
We're the aggressors here? Perhaps you slept in on September 11th, 2001? n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#76
If you ahve to go back 11 years to defend and justify a tactic, I would say that tactic has failed.	morningfog	May 2012	#78
Al Qaeda started this war. Obama is ending it. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#79
I'll believe it when I see it.	morningfog	May 2012	#81
The Iraq invasion is over. The Afghanistan invasion is ending.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#85
I'm waiting for Dennis Kucinich to introduce a repeal of the AUMF he voted for. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#87
He better hurry up! n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#93
The covert wars in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and where ever next continue.	morningfog	May 2012	#88
The use of military force against Al Qaeda and associated orgs does continue, yes.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#91
Actually, if you go back and look at US foreign policy for the past forty years,	MadHound	May 2012	#107
So the 9/11 attack was justified?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#112
Well, a lot of people saw it coming, for years and decades.	MadHound	May 2012	#115
You are a good egg, MadHound. Peace.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#117
As Abraham Lincoln once said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#163
There are 2-3 million southeast Asians still waiting for some karmic payback to us, come	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#162
Ending it? I don't see much sign that this will end...ever.	Comrade Grumpy	Jun 2012	#217
Fuck Ron Paul. n/t	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#220
Still no explanation on what you mean by that "Fuck Ron Paul" nonsense, eh?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#229
Yes, we are the aggressors here. Did you support the Iraq War too?	sabrina 1	May 2012	#156
No, I did not support the Iraq invasion or occupation.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#157
And that is one of the reasons why he was respected. He is an honest man, he, like a majority of	sabrina 1	May 2012	#195
He gained respect during the Bush years by writing about that Admin's excesses	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#200
Putting Iraq casualties in perspective: besides the estimated 1 million Iraqis	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#164
Thank you, yes. And we could include the half million who died	sabrina 1	May 2012	#196
Before Operation Desert Shield/Storm, Iraq had the highest per-captia standard of living	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#197
Belligerently issued from the comfort of a straining barcalounger	whatchamacallit	May 2012	#12
Peeping in my windows, are you?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#55
was his son also a "legitimate target"?	nashville_brook	May 2012	#14
His son was never a target.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#49
the 16-year old was killed by a drone at a BBQ...far from a battlefield.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#67
Awlaki's son was never a military target. That's the point. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#75
Do you know that for a fact?	MadHound	May 2012	#108
Yep. I do.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#110
No, really, you don't.	MadHound	May 2012	#114
So you're going around this thread chiding people for saying that the son was the target?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#125
Ah, good, you're back on topic, thank you, your strawman act was getting boring,	MadHound	May 2012	#129
"I'm not chiding you for saying Al-Banna was the target" -- the hell you aren't!	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#132
Apparently your reading comprehension is slipping with age.	MadHound	May 2012	#139
OK, so you're not human enough to own your own words.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#147
It's positively medieval is what it is. Think Star Chamber (or some such	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#165
Interesting. Your own goverernment won't coonfirm that. YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#119
My own government?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#122
Look, it's another strawman!	MadHound	May 2012	#124
How is it a straw man to say Luminous isn't a US citizen?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#126
Well. No you don't.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#131
Where the hell did you get that from? Jeesh. I was speaking directly to you.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#128
I got it from your words. Is it incorrect?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#130
Thanks for the apology.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#133
You are a US citizen, correct?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#134
Is this a purity test? Am I suspect? Do I need to show my birth certificate?	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#144
This is a question. A pretty simple one at that.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#146
Wow, somebody's channelling McCarthy tonight.	MadHound	May 2012	#148
Not me.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#149
Are you? Where were you born? Show your birth announcement.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#151
Yes, I am an American citizen. I was born in Demopolis, Alabama.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#154
Perhaps I have a Brazilian boyfriend and my opinion is suspect.Perhaps some people think I am Kenyan	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#158
Perhaps you could crawl down off that cross.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#159
You don't have to say shit about your citizenship status to this one. Tell him to "Lighten Up, eh"	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2012	#191
Bolo Boffin apologizes the same way Romney does: "If I offended anyone, I	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#166
There really is no call for that sort of rude accusation. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#173
No ruder than your unfounded insinuation that	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#174
I never said that. That's something you imported to this discussion.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#175
This post was hidden by jury decision.	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#176
As I said, you're projecting that onto what I've said.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#177
Hey LA, give it up,	MadHound	May 2012	#137
Indeed. Love ya Madhound.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#141
Back 'atcha,	MadHound	May 2012	#145
"one I've seen for ten years now."	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#143
It seems pretty obvious to me.	morningfog	May 2012	#202
+1	nashville_brook	May 2012	#206
Right. That Yemeni / American war. And fuck his blown-up kid too, right?	DirkGently	May 2012	#17
No, the AUMF doesn't authorize a war between America and Yemen	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#52
Is his son happy about that fact today?	upi402	May 2012	#136
As happy as the innocent people who died in the D-Day invasion are.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#140
That kid? Oh, why that was actually a terrorist	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#167
Nobody loves al-Awlaki here. You really mean "Fuck the Constitution!"	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#21
There has been no fucking of the Constitution.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#50
so, what does "due process" mean to you?	nashville_brook	May 2012	#70
Easy. It's where you do a process. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2012	#71
Military targets don't get the same kind of due process as an accused criminal. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#73
What is the due process to define one as a "military target"?	morningfog	May 2012	#89
I believe you know what that process is.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#90
I don't, not exactly. Do you?	morningfog	May 2012	#94
Well then why am I talking to you?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#98
as you could be	stupidicus	May 2012	#23
I think I explained the war fairly well.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#51
oh, that phony "WOT" stuff	stupidicus	May 2012	#187
I didn't say anything about the War on Terrorism stuff	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#193
I'd suggest you study the problem at greater length	stupidicus	May 2012	#207
That is a lovely source you have there in fff.org	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#211
This post was hidden by jury decision.	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#213
Someone alerted on this. Here are the results	stevenleser	Jun 2012	#214
Thanks for posting this	Rhiannon12866	Jun 2012	#233
Thanks! I'm juror #2 :-)	stevenleser	Jun 2012	#234
+1	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#72
Who, or what are we at war with?	MadHound	May 2012	#97
Have you not read the AUMF?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#101
Ah yes, that open ended, Constitutionally shaky, Bush dream document	MadHound	May 2012	#106
Have I said this is because the President doing it has a D behind his name?	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#113
I was explaining my point of view, in my own way,	MadHound	May 2012	#116
Putting your words into my mouth, which is what you did, is the very definition	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#118
Sad, truly sad,	MadHound	May 2012	#121
Well, when someone is rude enough to put words into my mouth to knock them down	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#127
WHOOMP, there it is	MadHound	May 2012	#135
What I get tired of is people like you assuming you can speak for me	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#138
This message was self-deleted by its author	Octafish	May 2012	#182
We have a "War on Drugs" so I guess we can kill any drug user at will..	Bandit	May 2012	#183
No, that's a branding exercise, as is the War on Terrorism.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#192
Says who?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#215
Fuck Ron Paul.	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#222
Thanks for kicking this thread.	Luminous Animal	Jun 2012	#223
Thanks for thanking me. n/t	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#224
And again what is this non-response supposed to mean? That you're afraid to answer the question?	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#226
I would think "Fuck Ron Paul" is self-explanatory. n/t	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#230
If by self-explanatory you mean "a copout and an evasive response", perhaps you are right.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#232
It gives the meaning I always felt was meant when Bush said he was "The Decider".	Gregorian	May 2012	#2
Who would Mittens, the chickenhawk war cheerleader 'decide' to take out, is a good question, too.	freshwest	May 2012	#6
There was a thread recently on a number of North Koreans who had died in "car accidents"	Gregorian	May 2012	#10
These are crimes against humanity	gratuitous	May 2012	#4
I love some of the points you make. Really insightful.	Gregorian	May 2012	#9
not only would this not "be recognized" by the writers of the Constitution, it's exactly what they	nashville_brook	May 2012	#13
heck, it was decided in 1641 when they closed the Star Chamber	MisterP	May 2012	#180
Correct. These are crimes against humanity.	RC	May 2012	#20
Thank you.	woo me with science	May 2012	#37
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000. Please, please consider turning	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#168
beyond orwellian	nashville_brook	May 2012	#209
Du rec. Nt	xchrom	May 2012	#5
I'll take the constitutional scholar's interpretation over that of a Brazilian asswipe any day.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#7
so, for you "due process" = the (current) president gave it some thought while walking the dog	nashville_brook	May 2012	#11
The Brazilian asswipe is a Constitutional lawyer too.	DirkGently	May 2012	#16
i'm wondering if some folk's willingness to grant kinglike authority to the president	nashville_brook	May 2012	#18
Fuck Glenn Greenwald, and the Libertarian horse he rode in on!	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#43
Incisive. (nt)	DirkGently	May 2012	#44
does it upset you that the president has "Terror Tuesdays" when he decides who to kill...	nashville_brook	May 2012	#53
Yeehaw! And Gore invented the internet, Kerry is a coward, and Obama was born in Kenya. It's true	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#54
This post was hidden by jury decision.	sudopod	May 2012	#150
Love you too!!!	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#152
That's ridiculous and uncalled for.	Bonobo	May 2012	#160
Tarheel Dem: Slurs & No Content.	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#22
I can't figure out how Brazilian got in there? Even if true, is it supposed to be an insult?	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#26
clearly, Americans living in other countries are suspect. targets, if you will...	nashville_brook	May 2012	#30
What he's not an Amurrican? Oh wait, yes he is. It's his boyfriend that is Brazilian.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#24
Amen, if the president doesn't have the constitutional authority to order	hughee99	May 2012	#190
Greenwald is an American who is subjected to being called names because	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#218
K&R	DeSwiss	May 2012	#15
Right. Somehow the messier drone kills are the only secret ones.	DirkGently	May 2012	#19
Any law professor (or President)....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#29
precisely -- this is essentially a refusal to assent to the Constitution	nashville_brook	May 2012	#32
Not much of a Constitution if every President can "interpret" it away.	DirkGently	May 2012	#47
spot on.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#68
Lets see what he writes, if they let him write	Iliyah	May 2012	#25
"He gave up the right of citizenship when he declared war on America."	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#28
I don't care	Iliyah	May 2012	#36
It seems like they are caring quite a bit about 100+ years of western dominance...	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#41
so, don't criticize illegal assassination on the part of a Dem POTUS, b/c	nashville_brook	May 2012	#42
Hey, this man called for death to Americans as well,	MadHound	May 2012	#111
which is the worst of it	stupidicus	May 2012	#27
Your bolded part should resonate with all people seeking peace. How can we expect	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#60
indeed	stupidicus	May 2012	#188
very good point -- here's some first person statements by drone strike victims (Harper's)	nashville_brook	May 2012	#62
Children fear their lives? Umm, that's called "Terrorism".	Bonobo	May 2012	#120
declare war or stop the killing. it's really that simple.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#204
it simply amazes me	stupidicus	May 2012	#189
well...war is a racket...and to keep the racket going there has to be conflict...	nashville_brook	May 2012	#205
you know it	stupidicus	May 2012	#208
DU Rec. nt	woo me with science	May 2012	#38
Greenwald	Madmiddle	May 2012	#40
That was Clinton who did that. It was Clinton's Secretary of State, Albright who said the death	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#45
you should use the Google thingy every now and then.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#48
Thank you.	DeSwiss	May 2012	#153
that's a very good quote.	nashville_brook	May 2012	#198
Anyone who writes this off...	Bonobo	May 2012	#64
Woo-hoo. Let's bring back Star Chamber while we're at it. It's OK because it's our	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#169
Well I got news for all of you...	zeemike	May 2012	#82
Eugene Hasenfus	Bonobo	May 2012	#103
Yep I remember that.	zeemike	May 2012	#123
The bill of rights is too narrow.	craigmatic	May 2012	#142
"Barack said to whack you out."	kenny blankenship	May 2012	#155
I think this reply wins the thread for its Tarantino-esque	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#170
+1	nashville_brook	May 2012	#185
I've used to think that Republicans were unprincipled and Democrats were principled.	BlueCheese	May 2012	#171
I'm really going to be holding my nose when I go into the voting booth in November - n/t	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#172
K&R. This is a Big Fucking Deal.	Egalitarian Thug	May 2012	#179
+1	nashville_brook	May 2012	#184
How is this different from Pres. Assad ordering some FSA figure shot, or Kadaffi's assassinations?	leveymg	May 2012	#181
on the bright side...	nashville_brook	May 2012	#194
This is what happens when you have Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius run your counter-terrorism program.	leveymg	May 2012	#199
love it!	nashville_brook	May 2012	#203
attack the messenger... duh	fascisthunter	May 2012	#201
I have always disliked Glenn Greewald	GarroHorus	May 2012	#212

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