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another_liberal

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90. Except that Georgia actually invaded South Ossetia . . .

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:14 PM

Nov 2015

At the urging of the Cheney/Bush administration. Russia only responded to calls from the people of South Ossetia for help.

There has been no Russian military force active in Eastern Ukraine. That is neo-con fiction, happily endorsed by our coup-installed government in Kiev.

As to Crimea: Russian troops didn't invade, tens of thousands of them were already there by treaty agreement with Kiev. The people of Crimea rejected a takeover by the same fascistic street gangs who caused the riots in Kiev. They then voted for and were accepted back under Russian governance and protection (as was their right to do under the UN charter).

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"More of an ambush than anything else." [View all] another_liberal Nov 2015 OP

From RT to Sputnik News R3druM Nov 2015 #1

Do you have anything to say . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #2

Well... R3druM Nov 2015 #3

Have anything to say? another_liberal Nov 2015 #4

I do. Chan790 Nov 2015 #6

As you should . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #7

Yes, actually. Chan790 Nov 2015 #5

Is that all it is with you? another_liberal Nov 2015 #8

I guess I would have to say that dumbcat Nov 2015 #11

Maybe not for sure, not with complete certainty . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #15

No dumbcat Nov 2015 #18

Read between the lines . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #32

^^^^THIS ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #27

Is it an ambush if you -know- the position of the opposing aircraft? HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #9

They were not expecting to be attacked . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #13

Turkey warned the Russians about Turkey's intent to resist incursions back on ~4th of Oct. HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #14

There is considerable doubt that an incursion occured . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #16

My point was the Russians had actually been warned about Turkey's posture. HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #17

One country does not have the right to fire on aircraft in another country's airspace. another_liberal Nov 2015 #25

Oh, really? Better recheck your history. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #53

Thanks for the laugh 4now Nov 2015 #10

An odd sense of humor . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #12

When someone posts links to sputnik news or RT 4now Nov 2015 #35

To you, perhaps . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #36

"A trap set by the Turkish Air force..." Nitram Nov 2015 #19

There was no "incurrsion" of Turkish airspace . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #22

I would be include to believe the Turks over the Russians on that one, not your BS hypothesis. Nitram Nov 2015 #23

It is not a matter of "believing" in something or not . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #28

No this isn't a sunday School class, it is a propaganda exercise. Nitram Nov 2015 #30

All of it . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #31

We just have trust in different sources. Nitram Nov 2015 #34

It is anything but "trust" I assure you. another_liberal Nov 2015 #37

Amazing that such a course of study would give you the mystic ability to see whether a Russian jet.. Nitram Nov 2015 #39

Nothing much "mystic" about it either . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #43

What sources Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #51

I see. You take what the Pentagon states and believe the opposite. Nitram Nov 2015 #57

I don't, not on all things . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #83

What's your take on Russian Imperial foreign policy? Nitram Nov 2015 #85

What? another_liberal Nov 2015 #86

So you truly believe that Putin doesn not wish to reconstitute as much of the USSR as possible... Nitram Nov 2015 #87

I'm not sure the person citing a Russian state news agency should be talking about belief mythology Nov 2015 #52

And the three previously acknowledged incursions into Turkish airspace over the past tend days LanternWaste Nov 2015 #89

Not surprised the Russian government Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #33

How many times did Turkish military aircraft stray into Greek airspace last year? another_liberal Nov 2015 #44

Are they bombing ethnic Greeks? Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #50

A questionable professor and state run media. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #20

Do you have anything to say about the content of the Professor's comments? another_liberal Nov 2015 #21

another, your thesis is dubious and unsupported. Nitram Nov 2015 #24

What, exactly, do you find "dubious". . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #38

The "public record" informs you that the Russian jet did not enter Turkish airspace and ignore... Nitram Nov 2015 #40

That is not the "Public record" . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #45

The radio traffic was confirmed by the US and other who were listening in. Nitram Nov 2015 #58

Thanks for the Info , it is one big mess. bahrbearian Nov 2015 #26

Welcome . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #29

The plane intruded Turkish airspace for ''seconds'' Octafish Nov 2015 #41

You are very welcome, Octafish . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #42

If this was an ambush, then Turkey knew the Russians would fly over. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #46

The American coalition was infromed where Russian jets would attack . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #47

The Turkish jet entered Syrian airspace before firing? GGJohn Nov 2015 #60

According to ground-based radar tracking . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #61

Ground based radar images coming straight out of the Kremlin GGJohn Nov 2015 #63

Jane's: Russian jet had nonfunctioning radio, didn't hear warnings mainer Nov 2015 #48

That sounds more plausible than anything else, given that Russia's military equipment is decrepit. randome Nov 2015 #49

Janes is, on this particular occasion, . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #62

Oh, so everyone else is wrong except the Russians? GGJohn Nov 2015 #64

I said nothing about being "right" or wrong . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #65

The Fencer is successful in Syria because they face no serious opposition, GGJohn Nov 2015 #66

You seem disappointed more planes haven't been lost? another_liberal Nov 2015 #67

What criminal and underhanded sneak attack? GGJohn Nov 2015 #69

Warnings have no importance in this . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #70

Warnings have no importance in this . . . GGJohn Nov 2015 #71

That is where you are wrong . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #72

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #73

Where did the Russian jet fall, in Turkey? another_liberal Nov 2015 #74

Maybe you missed the part where I said it was struck in Syria, GGJohn Nov 2015 #75

More of Ashton (Ash) Carter's fairytales? another_liberal Nov 2015 #76

Beyond doubt huh? GGJohn Nov 2015 #77

The facts still remain facts . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #78

So, IOW, other than Sputnik news or RT, GGJohn Nov 2015 #80

indeed forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #79

All Russia has to do is stay out of Turkish airspace and all is good, GGJohn Nov 2015 #81

I imagine the U.S. knows the real story daleo Nov 2015 #59

OK---I read the whole thread and this is my takeaway... trumad Nov 2015 #54

Anything to say about the content of his comments . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #55

Sure trumad Nov 2015 #56

Here's a more balanced article that hopefully changes your mind Nevernose Nov 2015 #68

Shooting down the Russian plane was a cheapshot forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #82

Ambush, huh? cemaphonic Nov 2015 #84

Most likely, Georgia said the same after the Russian invasion. And the Crimea. And Ukraine. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #88

Except that Georgia actually invaded South Ossetia . . . another_liberal Nov 2015 #90

I see you love Russian fairytales, Another. Nitram Dec 2015 #91