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Mon May 28, 2012, 11:18 PM

59. Brown & Root made a mint off defense contracts during the Vietnam War. Can't remember

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exactly, but I think they may have been the pirmary contractor for the huge naval base at Cam Ranh Bay.

The tape recordings of LBJ and Senator Richard Russell suggest that LBJ did feel himself 'trapped' in a war that he knew he could not win but also knew he could not afford politically to lose. If true, that again argues against his 'ruthlessnes' on one level, even as it makes him seem less admirable as a leader. (Same goes for Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, I suppose, who knew as early as 1966 that we could not win but did not bother to tell LBJ or his advisors.)

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My brother in Ohio has had it with the Democrats [View all]	maxrandb	May 2012	OP
Those siding with the republicans will live to regret the day they made	RKP5637	May 2012	#1
In other words, true bipartisanship.	blkmusclmachine	May 2012	#2
Yep, probably ... n/t	RKP5637	May 2012	#3
100% correct	NavyDavy	May 2012	#8
"... will be akin to working the fields for a very wealthy land baron...will be	jtuck004	May 2012	#30
Good point and well taken! Many already are in that situation. I recently	RKP5637	May 2012	#35
AMEN!!!!	madashelltoo	May 2012	#37
Does he admire their tactics then?	treestar	May 2012	#4
No! He wants Democrats to act like DEMOCRATS!!	maxrandb	May 2012	#10
No, it is not too much to ask IMO. And that's what the democratic	RKP5637	May 2012	#18
No, it's not too much to ask.	woo me with science	May 2012	#36
If Democrats are going to act like Democrats	LiberalFighter	May 2012	#55
They don't want the rank & file involved except in GOTV efforts for preapproved candidates.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#66
Umm, Occupy is anything but "quiet."	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2012	#95
Which side are you on?	TomClash	May 2012	#5
"Romney Democrats" will regret voting for him. They will be destroyed by him.	libinnyandia	May 2012	#6
Yeah, and the same way they govern like they won by 40 points is the same way they destroy like it.	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#7
The lege and the governor have been acting illegally	Warpy	May 2012	#9
Why don't the democrats stand up to them, I believe is what the brother is asking. He's voted	HiPointDem	May 2012	#67
So, in other words,	Art_from_Ark	May 2012	#11
That is exactly correct.	Iggo	May 2012	#45
He prefers totalitarian rule to the messiness of democracy?	aquart	May 2012	#97
Does he really admire the GOP's scorched-earth tactics?	Canuckistanian	May 2012	#12
What a ridiculous post	maxrandb	May 2012	#14
Well, yes, I can see that	Canuckistanian	May 2012	#19
CORRECT	Skittles	May 2012	#38
And so with a republican majority in Congress...	progressivebydesign	May 2012	#41
A Democratic Congress didn't stop GWB. Not at all.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#61
Strong, resolute and forceful, those are the words for how Obama should	JDPriestly	May 2012	#60
Do you have any idea the number of middle class Americans who don't belong to a union?	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#76
The Democratic Party is traditionally the party of unions.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#88
This president has been as strong on unions as any other modern day Democratic Pres has.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#92
Hey, Bernie Sanders doesn't make stump speeches like that.	Selatius	May 2012	#94
Okay, let's substitute the "stump" for the Senate floor. I've seen Bernie in action. Sheesh!	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#102
"spittle-laced"? Really? nt	Selatius	May 2012	#105
Look, I love Bernie as much as the next guy, but he's a very animated and passionate speaker.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#107
I'm not going to bother arguing with you. I have posted my bona fides. That's it.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#100
Again, I can only take your word for it.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#104
What a dishonest characterization of Senator Sanders, really extreme rhetoric you are	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#110
I hate people who sit there and complain about the Dems, without once mentioning	NavyDavy	May 2012	#13
You have a point. But, when leadership keeps giving you the same rationale for its failure,	EFerrari	May 2012	#23
+1	savalez	May 2012	#24
Obama has only used the veto twice in his presidency.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#62
Lowest number of vetos since Warren G. Harding	pscot	May 2012	#64
+100000 It might,	woo me with science	May 2012	#84
But most of the bills haven't passed the Senate	RockaFowler	May 2012	#96
"Keep hoping they'll change" you can tell him this.	kenny blankenship	May 2012	#15
It's an illusion, if I may say so.	Gregorian	May 2012	#16
I recently found out that KBR was a huge backer of LBJ when it was still Brown & Root.	EFerrari	May 2012	#28
Why do you think that was the case? Vietnam?	Gregorian	May 2012	#31
He hooked their support when he was a Congressman.	EFerrari	May 2012	#33
I still think Obama has that kind of character.	Gregorian	May 2012	#39
EFerrari, I agree with you 99.99999% of the time but on this I have to disagree. LBJ may	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#43
You are right about that.	EFerrari	May 2012	#47
Brown & Root made a mint off defense contracts during the Vietnam War. Can't remember	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#59
Always had a soft spot for LBJ, despite Vietnam. He seemed human and genuine, warts & all.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#70
I read a book about Halliburton, maybe The Halliburton Story that suggested that Johnson	JDPriestly	May 2012	#75
Maybe Dan Briody's 'The Halliburton Agenda'.	Mc Mike	May 2012	#89
Thanks. That's the book. It's on my shelf.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#99
My page #'s are all from the paperback ed. Hope they work out if you have hard cover.	Mc Mike	May 2012	#103
You should see the film, The Longeria Affair. It recounts	JDPriestly	May 2012	#74
Money is indeed the issue, but it doesn't flow just to R's.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#68
Sad to see the point that your brother fall on deaf ears.	xchrom	May 2012	#17
There is, of course, another wage-lowering, anti-union, "free-trade" agreement in the works.	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#82
To quote Rush Limbaugh "Compromise, we don't compromise	doc03	May 2012	#20
Another winner from Rush	jade3000	May 2012	#29
If the Republicans take the Senate watch how fast	doc03	May 2012	#21
Why would you say that?	oldernwiser	May 2012	#54
Well the Republicans even as a minority have effectively shut down	doc03	May 2012	#56
Republicans bully their way through shit. Its in their nature. Most people of a liberal nature...	phleshdef	May 2012	#22
That's often what I think too. The assholes and bullies became	RKP5637	May 2012	#32
We only have one vote each. Republicans are doing the best to take that away from us.	southernyankeebelle	May 2012	#25
Hes about 3 years behind me..	sendero	May 2012	#26
where can we send the Romney bumper sticker for your car? n/t	progressivebydesign	May 2012	#42
Where can we send.	sendero	May 2012	#48
That tack won't keep working, you know. Wise up.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#69
"...when they can't do a damn thing with it?"	unkachuck	May 2012	#27
Yep, quite true, they all work for the same corporations and are	RKP5637	May 2012	#34
So I guess your brother is just fine with a system where 1% control 40% of the	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#40
x1,000. n/t	progressivebydesign	May 2012	#44
When both parties lead to that same end,	jeff47	May 2012	#51
Yeah, & that situation came into being all because of the Republicans, and changes when D's	HiPointDem	May 2012	#71
The obscene concentrations of wealth began to accelerate starting with	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#83
There have been several Democratic Presidents since LBJ, so not sure what you're suggesting	HiPointDem	May 2012	#86
Don't vote or support Repigs for one thing. Even a centrist Dem like	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#90
No, neither of us	maxrandb	May 2012	#91
I apologize if I misconstrued your OP. I thought your brother was expressing	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#98
I think your brother's opinion may be swayed	Harmony Blue	May 2012	#46
hint?	HiPointDem	May 2012	#72
Basically, the momentum will shift dramatically	Harmony Blue	May 2012	#93
Yeah, I feel his pain. n/t	progressoid	May 2012	#49
When the Democrats show the balls of Occupy then we may get somewhere.	U4ikLefty	May 2012	#50
And the balls of the Government have been working	Iliyah	May 2012	#63
That is the Kabuki theater of democracy.	U4ikLefty	May 2012	#65
Thank you. It is a problem of money and purchased government, not shyness.	woo me with science	May 2012	#85
My correction, I should have said "balls & ovaries"	U4ikLefty	May 2012	#77
Some thoughts on Ohio Dems	ladym55	May 2012	#52
Under Mussolini the trains ran on time but	kiranon	May 2012	#53
after being repeatedly dispossessed, they will. and that's what's happening.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#73
No offense	GarroHorus	May 2012	#57
Let him know in NY people in my county are turning against little Napoleon..	Historic NY	May 2012	#58
Then your brother should follow his heart. Oh, and nice way of slipping in some 3rd party....	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#78
There was no mention of supporting the Republicans or advocating a third party	TheKentuckian	May 2012	#79
"some see the brother's point all too well". Of course they do, it's the fuckin' internet.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#81
You're saying the poster registered in 2002 just to say in 2012 that R's fight harder than D's?	HiPointDem	May 2012	#87
	brush	May 2012	#80
Your concern is noted. nt	TBF	May 2012	#101
I think Those who attack you and your brother	fascisthunter	May 2012	#106
It has been proven REPEATEDLY that the policies of the Repuke don't work	maxrandb	May 2012	#113
The reason is easy to state - we build programs, they end them	karynnj	May 2012	#108
your brother has had it with The Third Way "dems" -- we have to take our party back	nashville_brook	May 2012	#109
"My Brother the Car."	H2O Man	May 2012	#111
Wasn't that a Disney Movie? n/t	maxrandb	May 2012	#112

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