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Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
16. It's an illusion, if I may say so.
Mon May 28, 2012, 09:24 PM
May 2012

We're fighting an uphill battle. The Republicans are not.

It's about money. Does the big money funnel into the things that Democrats want? How many military contractors are liberal? I think that's a fair question to answer without much knowledge.

How many lobbyists are pounding on Democrat's doors to donate towards legislation that promotes peace, or fewer carbon emissions?

And unfortunately this is the dilemma Democrats face. It's no different than how they dynamite the economy and then leave the train wreck for Democrats to clean up, AND for which to take the blame.

Am I being naive? It seems I'm not too far off the mark.

Those siding with the republicans will live to regret the day they made RKP5637 May 2012 #1
In other words, true bipartisanship. blkmusclmachine May 2012 #2
Yep, probably ... n/t RKP5637 May 2012 #3
100% correct NavyDavy May 2012 #8
"... will be akin to working the fields for a very wealthy land baron...will be jtuck004 May 2012 #30
Good point and well taken! Many already are in that situation. I recently RKP5637 May 2012 #35
AMEN!!!! madashelltoo May 2012 #37
Does he admire their tactics then? treestar May 2012 #4
No! He wants Democrats to act like DEMOCRATS!! maxrandb May 2012 #10
No, it is not too much to ask IMO. And that's what the democratic RKP5637 May 2012 #18
No, it's not too much to ask. woo me with science May 2012 #36
If Democrats are going to act like Democrats LiberalFighter May 2012 #55
They don't *want* the rank & file involved except in GOTV efforts for preapproved candidates. HiPointDem May 2012 #66
Umm, Occupy is anything but "quiet." WorseBeforeBetter May 2012 #95
Which side are you on? TomClash May 2012 #5
"Romney Democrats" will regret voting for him. They will be destroyed by him. libinnyandia May 2012 #6
Yeah, and the same way they govern like they won by 40 points is the same way they destroy like it. FarLeftFist May 2012 #7
The lege and the governor have been acting illegally Warpy May 2012 #9
Why don't the democrats stand up to them, I believe is what the brother is asking. He's voted HiPointDem May 2012 #67
So, in other words, Art_from_Ark May 2012 #11
That is exactly correct. Iggo May 2012 #45
He prefers totalitarian rule to the messiness of democracy? aquart May 2012 #97
Does he really admire the GOP's scorched-earth tactics? Canuckistanian May 2012 #12
What a ridiculous post maxrandb May 2012 #14
Well, yes, I can see that Canuckistanian May 2012 #19
CORRECT Skittles May 2012 #38
And so with a republican majority in Congress... progressivebydesign May 2012 #41
A Democratic Congress didn't stop GWB. Not at all. JDPriestly May 2012 #61
Strong, resolute and forceful, those are the words for how Obama should JDPriestly May 2012 #60
Do you have any idea the number of middle class Americans who don't belong to a union? Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #76
The Democratic Party is traditionally the party of unions. JDPriestly May 2012 #88
This president has been as strong on unions as any other modern day Democratic Pres has. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #92
Hey, Bernie Sanders doesn't make stump speeches like that. Selatius May 2012 #94
Okay, let's substitute the "stump" for the Senate floor. I've seen Bernie in action. Sheesh! Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #102
"spittle-laced"? Really? nt Selatius May 2012 #105
Look, I love Bernie as much as the next guy, but he's a very animated and passionate speaker. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #107
I'm not going to bother arguing with you. I have posted my bona fides. That's it. JDPriestly May 2012 #100
Again, I can only take your word for it. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #104
What a dishonest characterization of Senator Sanders, really extreme rhetoric you are Bluenorthwest May 2012 #110
I hate people who sit there and complain about the Dems, without once mentioning NavyDavy May 2012 #13
You have a point. But, when leadership keeps giving you the same rationale for its failure, EFerrari May 2012 #23
+1 savalez May 2012 #24
Obama has only used the veto twice in his presidency. JDPriestly May 2012 #62
Lowest number of vetos since Warren G. Harding pscot May 2012 #64
+100000 It might, woo me with science May 2012 #84
But most of the bills haven't passed the Senate RockaFowler May 2012 #96
"Keep hoping they'll change" you can tell him this. kenny blankenship May 2012 #15
It's an illusion, if I may say so. Gregorian May 2012 #16
I recently found out that KBR was a huge backer of LBJ when it was still Brown & Root. EFerrari May 2012 #28
Why do you think that was the case? Vietnam? Gregorian May 2012 #31
He hooked their support when he was a Congressman. EFerrari May 2012 #33
I still think Obama has that kind of character. Gregorian May 2012 #39
EFerrari, I agree with you 99.99999% of the time but on this I have to disagree. LBJ may coalition_unwilling May 2012 #43
You are right about that. EFerrari May 2012 #47
Brown & Root made a mint off defense contracts during the Vietnam War. Can't remember coalition_unwilling May 2012 #59
Always had a soft spot for LBJ, despite Vietnam. He seemed human and genuine, warts & all. HiPointDem May 2012 #70
I read a book about Halliburton, maybe The Halliburton Story that suggested that Johnson JDPriestly May 2012 #75
Maybe Dan Briody's 'The Halliburton Agenda'. Mc Mike May 2012 #89
Thanks. That's the book. It's on my shelf. JDPriestly May 2012 #99
My page #'s are all from the paperback ed. Hope they work out if you have hard cover. Mc Mike May 2012 #103
You should see the film, The Longeria Affair. It recounts JDPriestly May 2012 #74
Money is indeed the issue, but it doesn't flow just to R's. HiPointDem May 2012 #68
Sad to see the point that your brother fall on deaf ears. xchrom May 2012 #17
There is, of course, another wage-lowering, anti-union, "free-trade" agreement in the works. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #82
To quote Rush Limbaugh "Compromise, we don't compromise doc03 May 2012 #20
Another winner from Rush jade3000 May 2012 #29
If the Republicans take the Senate watch how fast doc03 May 2012 #21
Why would you say that? oldernwiser May 2012 #54
Well the Republicans even as a minority have effectively shut down doc03 May 2012 #56
Republicans bully their way through shit. Its in their nature. Most people of a liberal nature... phleshdef May 2012 #22
That's often what I think too. The assholes and bullies became RKP5637 May 2012 #32
We only have one vote each. Republicans are doing the best to take that away from us. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #25
Hes about 3 years behind me.. sendero May 2012 #26
where can we send the Romney bumper sticker for your car? n/t progressivebydesign May 2012 #42
Where can we send. sendero May 2012 #48
That tack won't keep working, you know. Wise up. HiPointDem May 2012 #69
"...when they can't do a damn thing with it?" unkachuck May 2012 #27
Yep, quite true, they all work for the same corporations and are RKP5637 May 2012 #34
So I guess your brother is just fine with a system where 1% control 40% of the coalition_unwilling May 2012 #40
x1,000. n/t progressivebydesign May 2012 #44
When both parties lead to that same end, jeff47 May 2012 #51
Yeah, & that situation came into being all because of the Republicans, and changes when D's HiPointDem May 2012 #71
The obscene concentrations of wealth began to accelerate starting with coalition_unwilling May 2012 #83
There have been several Democratic Presidents since LBJ, so not sure what you're suggesting HiPointDem May 2012 #86
Don't vote or support Repigs for one thing. Even a centrist Dem like coalition_unwilling May 2012 #90
No, neither of us maxrandb May 2012 #91
I apologize if I misconstrued your OP. I thought your brother was expressing coalition_unwilling May 2012 #98
I think your brother's opinion may be swayed Harmony Blue May 2012 #46
hint? HiPointDem May 2012 #72
Basically, the momentum will shift dramatically Harmony Blue May 2012 #93
Yeah, I feel his pain. n/t progressoid May 2012 #49
When the Democrats show the balls of Occupy then we may get somewhere. U4ikLefty May 2012 #50
And the balls of the Government have been working Iliyah May 2012 #63
That is the Kabuki theater of democracy. U4ikLefty May 2012 #65
Thank you. It is a problem of money and purchased government, not shyness. woo me with science May 2012 #85
My correction, I should have said "balls & ovaries" U4ikLefty May 2012 #77
Some thoughts on Ohio Dems ladym55 May 2012 #52
Under Mussolini the trains ran on time but kiranon May 2012 #53
after being repeatedly dispossessed, they will. and that's what's happening. HiPointDem May 2012 #73
No offense GarroHorus May 2012 #57
Let him know in NY people in my county are turning against little Napoleon.. Historic NY May 2012 #58
Then your brother should follow his heart. Oh, and nice way of slipping in some 3rd party.... Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #78
There was no mention of supporting the Republicans or advocating a third party TheKentuckian May 2012 #79
"some see the brother's point all too well". Of course they do, it's the fuckin' internet. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #81
You're saying the poster registered in 2002 just to say in 2012 that R's fight harder than D's? HiPointDem May 2012 #87
brush May 2012 #80
Your concern is noted. nt TBF May 2012 #101
I think Those who attack you and your brother fascisthunter May 2012 #106
It has been proven REPEATEDLY that the policies of the Repuke don't work maxrandb May 2012 #113
The reason is easy to state - we build programs, they end them karynnj May 2012 #108
your brother has had it with The Third Way "dems" -- we have to take our party back nashville_brook May 2012 #109
"My Brother the Car." H2O Man May 2012 #111
Wasn't that a Disney Movie? n/t maxrandb May 2012 #112
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