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HomerRamone

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Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:44 AM Nov 2015

Official Vote Tally on Ohio's Pot Issue Deemed "Statistically Impossible" [View all]

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/33656-official-vote-tally-on-ohios-pot-issue-deemed-qstatistically-impossibleq

The "stolen election” controversy over this month’s officially defeated Ohio pot legalization referendum has gone to a new level.

“The results are not only impossible but unfathomable,” stated Ron Baiman, Assistant Professor of Graduate Business Administration at Benedictine University, where he teaches economics and statistics.

The Columbus Free Press asked Baiman to calculate the odds of the official vote count of Ohio’s Issue 3, to legalize marijuana, being correct – compared to the tracking polls charting voter preference leading up to this year’s November election. The Free Press supplied Baiman with poll results taken prior to the election by noted pollster Jon Zogby.

The polls leading into the November 3 vote showed the referendum passing. But the official results claim it lost by 2:1.

The standard assumption with such polling is that the undecided voters in the poll would have potentially gone 50-50. Thus half of them would be voting no and the other half would be voting yes on Issue 3. Baiman pointed out that with such an assumption being probable, the odds against the referendum losing 2:1 go through the roof. They are, he said, “one in a trillion.”

The analysis showed that even if the most illogical outcome is assumed – that every single undecided voter in the polls voted against Issue 3 – it is still statistically impossible to accept Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted’s official tally as being credible.

If the Zogby poll was accurate, says Baiman, one would expect the official outcome as reported by the state once in every 105,000 elections.

As general rule, undecided voters do not tend to split more than 60-40 percent in favor of one side or the other.

Pre-election tracking polls are performed using a random and representative sample. They accurately reflect how voters of various demographics are likely to vote. All such polls do contain a margin of error. The Zogby poll has a 4.9 percent margin of error, which leaves the official outcome of the Issue 3 vote still very far out of the realm of reasonable statistical probability.

Another Issue 3 poll done by the Kitchen Group showed a closer split between the yes and no vote. It was conducted one week before Election Day, with a random survey of more than over 1000 Ohioans. The odds that Husted’s official tally is correct based on the Kitchen poll are even heavier than with the Zogby poll…in this case yielding a result that would be expected only once in once in every 799,000,000 elections. [see attachments]

There can be only two explanations for this.

Ohioans can assume that the well-funded corporate multimillionaire growers backing Issue 3 who hired highly-regarded pollsters were given made-up drivel as the poll results. Or, Ohio’s notoriously corrupt, antiquated and highly-vulnerable voting system was hacked or manipulated by partisans like Ohio’s Secretary of State Husted.

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Maybe a lot of voters that wanted legal pot didn't want a monopoly on it hobbit709 Nov 2015 #1
Bingo- we hate monopolies which buy and support politicians. daybranch Nov 2015 #24
I probably would have voted against the monopoly if I were in that state HomerRamone Nov 2015 #41
I am another one who would have voted no when I read jwirr Nov 2015 #48
Dude, I thought it was Yes on 1 and 2 but No on 3 underpants Nov 2015 #2
Yes No Yes Marthe48 Nov 2015 #44
Could it be that a poll with 1000 people was flawed Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #3
No, 1000 is a fine sample size central scrutinizer Nov 2015 #59
That is a typical sample size and it had a margin of error of less than 5%. So it makes no sense pnwmom Nov 2015 #60
"If the Zogby poll was accurate" jeff47 Nov 2015 #4
While I'm fine with the way it turned out, I welcome any investigation into Ohio voting. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #5
Excellent suggestion. appal_jack Nov 2015 #6
Erich...THAT should be implemented nationwide! SoapBox Nov 2015 #14
Sounds great! Better, come up with a system not relying on the cheaters' cooperation, like a site GoneFishin Nov 2015 #25
We need voting that's verifiable but not too verifiable. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #42
If they can itemize random rec'ts Marthe48 Nov 2015 #46
That sounds like an invitation to manipulate by minority voters. kristopher Nov 2015 #50
Yes, but probability is science, and we all know Jeebus guided the votes. valerief Nov 2015 #7
many of our elections are way dirty .... end of story Botany Nov 2015 #8
People, including those here, are SO eager to discredit poll after poll year after year HomerRamone Nov 2015 #9
MSM stopped their exit polls in 2004 Marthe48 Nov 2015 #47
Be prepared for a repeat during the presidential election Punx Nov 2015 #10
That vote was a test of the system, a dry-run. Next up, the primary. NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #11
I wondered about the dry run thing too Renew Deal Nov 2015 #15
probably why the polls NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #18
There is another possibility Renew Deal Nov 2015 #20
Well not really. In my job I am FAR NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #21
I honestly don't think the results would need to be rigged ToxMarz Nov 2015 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #12
I haven't followed this closely but... Renew Deal Nov 2015 #13
Elections ARE being stolen... believe it! usaf-vet Nov 2015 #17
Polling was more accurate before Deibold. lobodons Nov 2015 #19
Ask President Kerry about stolen elections in Ohio. RoverSuswade Nov 2015 #22
Just like W in 04! Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #23
that second to last paragraph explains it all. They should really save those tricks for bigger yurbud Nov 2015 #26
45 percent of the electorate voted maindawg Nov 2015 #27
I work a precinct here in Ohio JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #32
Did they change the numbers several days after the vote? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #53
You're correct. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #55
Get ready for 2016. It's going to be a crazy ride. jalan48 Nov 2015 #28
Our voting machines are not "antiquated". JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #29
Maybe not in your county, OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #33
I'm sure your machines print a secure paper trail... JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #36
Nobody asks for a paper ballot. OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #38
I'm not going to argue the point... JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #40
I'm aware that I voted by computer. OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #45
I didn't want to argue that poll workers are "thrown". JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #54
Considering that the same confusion occurs OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #61
I have always voted in a small precinct in MN. We have a jwirr Nov 2015 #51
John Kerry probably won Ohio in 04 Gman Nov 2015 #30
So it's true in Ohio, but not in Kentucky? Polls do, errrr, do not, em, ...lie, except???? Ford_Prefect Nov 2015 #31
Ohio needs to upgrade its election process JEB Nov 2015 #34
I'm not positive it was stolen - Holly_Hobby Nov 2015 #35
I'm a user and I voted against it. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #39
I voted against it too Holly_Hobby Nov 2015 #57
I think they bit off more than the voters could chew. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #58
OK, anonymous. ananda Nov 2015 #37
This was a monopoly issue, not a Pot issue CincyDem Nov 2015 #43
The the drug warriors will break the law to uphold the law. blackspade Nov 2015 #49
Maybe the supporters smoked one in the morning, L. Coyote Nov 2015 #52
Another election stolen by Republicans in Ohio diane in sf Nov 2015 #56
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