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Mon May 28, 2012, 02:09 AM

aquart (67,535 posts)

28. I am sorry we shamed the selfish pig into becoming charitable.

It hasn't worked out well.

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20-fold increase in standardized testing coming with Gates Foundation's "Common Core": [View all]	HiPointDem	May 2012	OP
My 8th grade daughter had her	exboyfil	May 2012	#1
That sounds like the same thing that teachers have always done.	Honeycombe8	May 2012	#2
No, standardized test results didn't use to be used in calculating grades. They started as	HiPointDem	May 2012	#25
Your beef seems to be with the raw vs. curve method of grading...not the kind of test. nt	Honeycombe8	May 2012	#26
In the post you're responding to, my beef is that standardized tests DIDN'T USE TO BE USED	HiPointDem	May 2012	#27
The irony is that Bill Gates himself could never even graduate from college.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#3
Presumably because he can figure out what works and what doesn't.	Igel	May 2012	#5
your comment that Gates was "unable" to finish college was more than a little disingenuous	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#6
Whether you aren's smart enough or disciplined enough to finish college, or whether you don't have	JDPriestly	May 2012	#29
He didn't finish because his company got off the ground. It demanded all his time and	Honeycombe8	May 2012	#75
He has plenty of time to complete his education now. He could set a good example for others.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#84
Silly suggestion. It's a far better example to use his money for charitable causes, which is what	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#104
Silly? Bettering oneself by education is never a silly venture no matter the age or net worth.	Selatius	Jun 2012	#145
Yes, it's silly to suggest that a successful philanthropist would be a better example to give that	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#148
If he didn't like what he found at Harvard, then he doesn't know what good	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#156
No, some of us realized college is a scam, and left.	boppers	Jun 2012	#85
The purpose of an education is to provide you with knowledge you might	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#157
Maybe that was the purposes of your education.	boppers	Jun 2012	#158
the 12 pound ball wins because it's mass provides more momentum against air resistance.	maggiesfarmer	Jun 2012	#161
LOL, "Unable to complete college"?? Like he was struggling?? He quit to start Microsoft! N-T	Logical	May 2012	#14
He wasn't unable, he didn't have to. He was born into the ruling class.	Egalitarian Thug	May 2012	#58
Not sure how.	Igel	May 2012	#4
So you're using extra tests DIAGNOSTICALLY rather than just for HIGH-STAKES	ProgressiveEconomist	May 2012	#19
So, with all of this new testing, when are teachers supposed to teach?	MadHound	May 2012	#7
When teachers don't know what they need to teach, what are they going to teach?	boppers	Jun 2012	#86
Nobody is saying stop all testing,	MadHound	Jun 2012	#111
What part of the "standard" is bothersome to you?	boppers	Jun 2012	#125
The fact that you can't fit a standard test to every child's learning style	MadHound	Jun 2012	#126
"a standard test" says it quite well.	boppers	Jun 2012	#131
Actually, having diverse assessment instruments is a good thing,	MadHound	Jun 2012	#149
You have missed the part where I agree with you.	boppers	Jun 2012	#160
I like the the work the Gates foundation is doing	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#8
Your sig line says all I need to say.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#9
I'm open minded and willing to listen	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#17
I couldn't find that often-cited study on ERIC.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#30
no question socioeconomic issues correlate to student success	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#35
For crying out loud, you still aren't listening.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#39
where did I say there were many ineffective teachers?	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#53
Different states have different teaching requirements.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#73
And you say you support the role of the teacher	MadHound	May 2012	#10
please supply the decades of academic studies that suggest the teacher is not a primary correlating	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#18
Sorry, I wasn't making myself clear,	MadHound	May 2012	#23
Parents' income is the main factor correlating to student success, and always has been.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#24
I respectfully take issue with a few of your statements	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#34
Excuse me, but first give me the research showing that tests of student achievement measure	HiPointDem	May 2012	#37
the study hasn't been done because there's enourmous resistance to gathering the data!	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#38
So, there's no data but there's this great study?	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#40
the question is whether or not the tests scores can be correlated to teacher effectiveness?	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#49
Standardized tests are designed to measure what kids know.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#50
that's the nice thing about statistics, we can identify and account for outliers	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#51
But this data should not be used to measure teacher effectiveness	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#52
This. This is why.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#71
I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a student just last week.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#74
I was talking with a teen mom a couple of weeks back about that.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#76
What makes me the angriest	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#83
Oh Jesus...this scares me...	a la izquierda	Jun 2012	#105
If only we had things like computers to normalize huge data sets...	boppers	Jun 2012	#87
Still too many variables.	knitter4democracy	Jun 2012	#106
First error: Paper.	boppers	Jun 2012	#122
There's nothing there showing that students' test scores are valid measures of teacher effectiveness	HiPointDem	May 2012	#56
no, the data correlates teacher performance to test scores. to get there does require	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#60
The "data" doesn't correlate anything. The data is students' test score, and the pols	HiPointDem	May 2012	#62
we've gone through name calling and now profanity. discussion was nice when it stayed civil	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#68
yeah, "shit science" is such a major breach of civility. a million pardons for my offense.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#77
Number one is a massive assumption.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#72
Oh baloney. And no, the income gap isn't an outcome of education. You actually believe that	HiPointDem	May 2012	#55
I think I said it multiple time in this thread that I believe improving public education is a	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#61
As more people got more education the income gap widened. More education doesn't do sucks	HiPointDem	May 2012	#63
"More education doesn't do sucks to close the income gap"	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#65
in what field will these graduates use these marketable job skills? where are the jobs?	HiPointDem	May 2012	#66
actually, I agree with part of what you're saying. I don't think we have any reason to believe there	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#67
Excuse me, peasants with a 5th-grade education do "electronics assembly" & "agriculture".	HiPointDem	May 2012	#78
This entire education "reform" movement is based on a false premise.	kwassa	May 2012	#80
/end thread (on Kwassa's post)	ibegurpard	Jun 2012	#96
Hear, hear! nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#97
+1	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#109
Given the wide difference in employment between high school and college graduates,	mythology	Jun 2012	#108
half of new grads are unemployed or underemployed. the UE rate just went up again.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#110
Introducing the Gates Foundation intern.	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#11
Nice insult with no facts. Why don't you put some work into countering what they said?	Logical	May 2012	#15
Geeze dude, it was a joke.	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#16
Gates gave away half his money & he's still the world's richest man on alternate years? Tell	HiPointDem	May 2012	#20
There is only one major change they want	quaker bill	May 2012	#31
that's new information to me.	maggiesfarmer	May 2012	#33
nice try	quaker bill	May 2012	#54
+1	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#43
Gates makes money with his "charitable" foundation.	Marr	May 2012	#36
Bill Gates himself said said that the "class size doesn't matter" theory breaks down	Nevernose	May 2012	#47
If his foundation work is as good as his software.	sendero	May 2012	#64
So if I am rich, I can do brain surgery??? What expertise does he have in education? He dropped out	adigal	Jun 2012	#113
no, but I would be happy to let him fund research in brain surgery at a credible teaching hospital	maggiesfarmer	Jun 2012	#115
No, that is not the correct analogy. He is spouting off about things like	adigal	Jun 2012	#116
Gates isn't simply funding research.	girl gone mad	Jun 2012	#117
Bingo!! Thank you! n/t	adigal	Jun 2012	#154
This is the "charity" that Zuckerberg has pledged most of his money to...	Romulox	May 2012	#12
Warren Buffett	Dokkie	Jun 2012	#112
You know I"m a little confused about all this	mzteris	May 2012	#13
Higher stakes for schools, I think.	Robb	May 2012	#42
We really do need to cut back on testing	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#44
I used to take a test or two every day when I went to school.	boppers	Jun 2012	#88
There's a huge difference between standardized tests and periodic content review tests	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#102
Well, is the the problem testing, or not?	boppers	Jun 2012	#120
Standardized testing is the problem	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#129
Okay, can we discuss the differences?	boppers	Jun 2012	#133
And the results show that "rebooting" doesn't change anything. In fact, it makes things worse.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#57
I had yearly standardized testing in the 70's	bhikkhu	May 2012	#21
To all the people who say they had standardized testing as kids so what's the big deal: testing	HiPointDem	May 2012	#22
They also aren't the same tests.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#46
Yes, the tests have gotten much, much, better.	boppers	Jun 2012	#89
Your Broad Academy talking points won't work with me.	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#103
What's "Broad Academy"?	boppers	Jun 2012	#121
It's a training academy for superintendents	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#127
Hm.	boppers	Jun 2012	#132
I am sorry we shamed the selfish pig into becoming charitable.	aquart	May 2012	#28
+1. Helps fill the void of Madflor's absence.	Mc Mike	May 2012	#32
And Common Core will be a disaster	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#41
"Not one teacher helped write these standards."	Robb	May 2012	#45
Let me tell you about that 'collaboration'.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#48
Yes, they're lying. Through use of weasel phrases like "received initial feedback" & "collaboration"	HiPointDem	May 2012	#59
So, students are expected to learn at a rate we aren't yet teaching at?	boppers	Jun 2012	#90
They're expected to master content we currently don't teach	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#100
How does a teacher know it's not "developmentally appropriate" for a specific child?	boppers	Jun 2012	#118
A number of ways,	MadHound	Jun 2012	#124
I've only taught a few days.	boppers	Jun 2012	#128
And it shows,	MadHound	Jun 2012	#150
Yes, sheer hubris.	boppers	Jun 2012	#159
Teachers with backgrounds in child development understand what's developmentally appropriate	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#130
Why is that insane?	boppers	Jun 2012	#134
and where did you get this factoid from?	kwassa	Jun 2012	#138
Which part?	boppers	Jun 2012	#140
The second one.	kwassa	Jun 2012	#155
Honest question:	Robb	Jun 2012	#135
Flynn effect.	boppers	Jun 2012	#136
Education never stops changing	kwassa	Jun 2012	#139
How much will this all cost?	MattBaggins	May 2012	#69
Bingo	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#70
Half a billion for Pearson's current contract in Texas alone, apparently. pretty big money.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#82
How much per-student-per-year?	boppers	Jun 2012	#91
Better to ask how much it costs to develop, print, and ship a test. After that, it's pure profit.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#92
What kinds of morons still use print?	boppers	Jun 2012	#93
Pure profit. Probably in the neighborhood of a billion a year in the US. Provides a handful of	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#94
rage	boppers	Jun 2012	#95
Why are you blaming teachers for what technology is used in schools. They don't have the power,	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#107
Teachers are poor, helpless, drones with no power?	boppers	Jun 2012	#123
You are clueless. I have a friend who teaches in a low-income district in California. They don't	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#141
Oh, so do you have computers, or not?	boppers	Jun 2012	#142
I'm not a teacher, I don't live in california, i'm unemployed and my computer is 5 years old.	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#143
The worst testers are those involved with their subjects.	boppers	Jun 2012	#146
and if you don't know the students, you also bias the test, just in a different way. there is no	HiPointDem	Jun 2012	#147
Believe it or not, tests on paper are less expensive	proud2BlibKansan	Jun 2012	#101
It sounds more expensive to me, in the long run.	boppers	Jun 2012	#119
Isn't Jeb Bush part of the corporate testing scam, too? The only motive here is profit.	DirkGently	May 2012	#79
I think jeb spearheaded the increase in testing in florida. seems like there was something recent	HiPointDem	May 2012	#81
corporate takeover of the US	fascisthunter	Jun 2012	#98
DU Rec.	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#99
Gates has NO IDEA what he is doing in education any more than he is qualified to do brain surgery	adigal	Jun 2012	#114
Are you willing to teach a brain surgeon?	boppers	Jun 2012	#137
I would respond, but your straw man is too big	adigal	Jun 2012	#151
This makes no sense.	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#153
Rmoney's buddies own the company - right?	goclark	Jun 2012	#144
Money, money, money, MO-NEY!	WinkyDink	Jun 2012	#152
The future of education is going to be digital, Gates is trying to monopolize that.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#162

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