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X_Digger

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10. NY Scrapped their program as well. (COBIS solved one case, and cost $44,000,000.)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:31 PM
Nov 2015

The thing about a 'ballistic fingerprint' is that unlike the fingerprints on our hands, 'ballistic fingerprints' change with use of the firearm and cleaning. Fire 500 rounds of ammunition in an afternoon through a handgun, and the 'fingerprint' will have changed.

They're completely destroyed by replacing the barrel on the gun (a 5 minute procedure for many guns), something that many gun owners do to increase precision or to reduce wear and tear (like changing tires on a car.)

Matching a casing to a gun works when you find a freshly used gun on a suspect, and you have casings recently fired from it to compare to. With any length of use between the first point and the second, the 'fingerprint' match becomes inconclusive. Imagine a 'tire fingerprint' on your car as it rolls off the lot, and compare to the 'tire fingerprint' after 30,000 miles-- or after you get a new set of tires from Pep Boys.

The whole CSI / NCIS / Law & Order slew of tv shows have given folks an unrealistic expectation for the science of criminal forensics.

Is it so hard to understand sarisataka Nov 2015 #1
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #3
True sounds like a dud. Maryland can use the money for other successful programs that work. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #7
NT Union Label Nov 2015 #14
I don't think you understand the science. X_Digger Nov 2015 #15
Evidence JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #26
How long and how much money sarisataka Nov 2015 #17
Well, union, the "snipped" portion in your OP rather explains why it was cancelled... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #37
There is major flaw in the system. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #2
from the article, it sounds like for the MD system they were not unique and got 100s of matches Amishman Nov 2015 #42
I don't have any info on the NY system. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #43
That was a lightweight solution compared what lies for gun nuts down the road. onehandle Nov 2015 #4
The tipping point approacheth sarisataka Nov 2015 #9
"Next time, it'll be a five BILLION dollar program that won't solve any crimes!" friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #19
You lot sure love to make empty threats, don't you? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #20
Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #22
Right after this happens: Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #35
Chalk up a win for the racist gun-toters mwrguy Nov 2015 #5
Can you give one good reason sarisataka Nov 2015 #12
Racist gun toters? GGJohn Nov 2015 #23
Actually, they *don't* wonder- they ignore any emprical evidence that disagrees with their dream friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24
Stupidest post of the thread! Congrats! pipoman Nov 2015 #31
Intellectual laziness at it's worst. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #36
I don't think it can be called a good program SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #6
Stunning achievement ryan_cats Nov 2015 #8
Lots of reloads, lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #11
Even ryan_cats Nov 2015 #13
NY Scrapped their program as well. (COBIS solved one case, and cost $44,000,000.) X_Digger Nov 2015 #10
Is Maryland smarter than New Yawk? JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #27
Waste of Money madville Nov 2015 #16
It took four years Kang Colby Nov 2015 #18
Because people that know about guns knew this would fail... krispos42 Nov 2015 #25
Please explain why you all knew this would fail? liberal N proud Nov 2015 #28
Read the posts here.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #29
The casings used were usually the first rounds fired from a new gun... pipoman Nov 2015 #32
And I was wondering just how many handguns that were purchased jmg257 Nov 2015 #34
Sure. krispos42 Nov 2015 #40
It's simple metallurgy. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #41
Sure, part 2. krispos42 Nov 2015 #44
It was so good it Identified no guns in 15 years....not bad. ileus Nov 2015 #30
So Maryland and New York TeddyR Nov 2015 #33
What makes this program good? Brickbat Nov 2015 #38
Union: which would you spend the "small potatoes" $5,000,000 on: Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #39
There. Straw Man Nov 2015 #45
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