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hfojvt

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70. I am on the side of the truth
Sun May 27, 2012, 04:25 AM
May 2012

Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 10:13 AM - Edit history (1)

and of the bottom 50%.

Those above the median income are perfectly free to have solidarity with the bottom 50%, but they are not free to delude themselves that they are part of it.

The thing is that the bottom 50% is getting squeezed, not just by the top .1% or by the top 1%, but by the top 50%. Many people in the top 50% don't wanna pay more taxes to help out the bums in the bottom 50% Instead they want more for themselves.

If all the AGI in the US in 2007 was divided equally among all the taxpayers each taxpayer would get $62,369.
Take away the greedy top .1% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $54,986
Take away the greedy top 1% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $48,620
Take away the top 5% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $41,069
take away the top 10% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $36,000
take away the top 50% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $15,287
take away the bottom 50% and divide the rest of the pie equally and each taxpayer gets $109,451
take the top 10% away from the top half and divide the rest of the pie equally and each gets $61,890

If I could split the bottom 50% in half, I could show that the bottom gets much less of the pie than the top half. In fact, in 2005, the bottom quintile got 3.4% of the national income and the next quintile got 8.6% - 250% as much as the bottom quintile.

For a person in the top 10% to say "I am not rich" says to me that they are thinking/saying "I should get a bigger slice of pie for myself". I think that outlook of "I am not gonna share with those below me, because I want more for myself" is a bigger part of the problem than any infighting I am doing here by expressing my opinion of the facts.

Edit - just to include some other averages

average income of the top .1% - $7,437,986
average income of the top .9% = $755,246
average income of the top 4% = $227,956
average income of the next 4% = $165,389
average income of the next 40% = $61,890
average income of the next 25% = $21,835
average income of the bottom 25% = $8,735

And even if you were that wealthy, you're still better off living in a country pnwmom May 2012 #1
+1,000!! SunSeeker May 2012 #12
+2 hedgehog May 2012 #15
Still got my job, my annual raise, and even bonuses in this recession. Yet, I have still lost out. ieoeja May 2012 #27
Or, put another way: The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #28
+1 azurnoir May 2012 #29
John Galt was his own father and mother. Because John Galt never needed help from anybody. n/t ieoeja May 2012 #32
John Galt is an idiot. pnwmom May 2012 #40
This, really, is the important point eallen May 2012 #35
But when it comes right down to it, the wealthy, even those that have rhett o rick May 2012 #50
The wealthy do well when the nation does well eallen May 2012 #63
EGGZACTLY! supraTruth May 2012 #71
"There are many" How many? What percentage of the wealthy support progressive policies? rhett o rick May 2012 #81
How is Obama not liberal? eallen May 2012 #82
How many liberals do you think are in Congress? nm rhett o rick May 2012 #83
Your statements are very general. How many in the 1% support liberal candidates? rhett o rick May 2012 #84
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2012 #2
We need to get rid of all the Bush tax cuts to make a dent in our deficit. dkf May 2012 #3
Not said enough. ag_dude May 2012 #16
Exactly. n/t taught_me_patience May 2012 #19
Not gonna happen... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #25
Actually, it can happen very easily if they disconnect the tax cuts from everything else. ieoeja May 2012 #31
I'll make that deal as long as it includes all the capital gains tax cuts of the past 30 years. nt TBF May 2012 #47
Trying to renegotiate anything will lead to more requests dkf May 2012 #55
I would take repeal them all - including all the capital gains TBF May 2012 #56
My point is there is no way in hell you will negotiate just that one piece. dkf May 2012 #58
and you saying makes it so? icarusxat May 2012 #59
AMEN!!!! Taverner May 2012 #4
John Steinbeck said it best: hifiguy May 2012 #5
Democrats have carried this theory too long cthulu2016 May 2012 #6
401k harun May 2012 #21
I beg to differ a little... louis-t May 2012 #23
It just goes to show there's no shortage of people who are quite happy being useful idiots Major Nikon May 2012 #26
I always wondered what Lennon was saying.... louis-t May 2012 #37
I still do Major Nikon May 2012 #38
Fool me once... progressoid May 2012 #43
The majority of those who think that way, live in the 'dumb' states, and don't think.... dmosh42 May 2012 #7
Which are the 'dumb' states? former9thward May 2012 #11
I'm sure dumb people can be found everywhere, in every state... CaliforniaPeggy May 2012 #24
Yet another attempt to divide the 99%. former9thward May 2012 #41
I am not dividing the 99%. I am simply stating a fact. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2012 #42
Don't think. Google. jayschool May 2012 #49
Well, if I ever did become a brazillionaire, I'd expect to pay my share. eppur_se_muova May 2012 #8
It is perplexing to think about how people think it will miraculously change and they will get rich liberal N proud May 2012 #9
A lot of people who believe this Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #60
I could earn ten times more than I earn now CJCRANE May 2012 #10
I had a funny argument with two guys hfojvt May 2012 #13
100K a year is not a lot of money - TBF May 2012 #48
We almost go right back to the OP hfojvt May 2012 #52
Did you read my entire post? TBF May 2012 #53
I don't see where having things in common really matters hfojvt May 2012 #61
Look, TBF May 2012 #62
I am on the side of the truth hfojvt May 2012 #70
That infighting is exactly what keeps us TBF May 2012 #73
I'm not seeing our problem being a whole bunch of infighting hfojvt May 2012 #74
I don't think you should shut up at all - TBF May 2012 #75
There are almost always richer and poorer FreeJoe May 2012 #77
but the facts are not all relative hfojvt May 2012 #78
Absolute Standard FreeJoe May 2012 #79
I write as though there should be a standard hfojvt May 2012 #80
It might have occurred to you that the reason why you aren't in the top 1% is precisely because CTyankee May 2012 #68
Yup, I agree completely. I think I had more of a chance than many because I grew up in the 70s TBF May 2012 #69
Here's the message. randome May 2012 #14
You never know, I just became part of the 1% Spoonman May 2012 #17
So their investments give you $250,000 *per year*? CJCRANE May 2012 #20
That's why kids sometimes don't get parents money DaveJ May 2012 #30
All I can say is that if *I* had $100k per year SheilaT May 2012 #36
Maybe, I've only been on one vacation so far DaveJ May 2012 #39
I think that in this thread there's been some SheilaT May 2012 #65
The investment interest will have me paying WAY more than that in taxes every year! Spoonman May 2012 #33
Good for you, for saving! DaveJ May 2012 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author DaveJ May 2012 #18
If all those 1%ers who benefit from the cuts died off tomorrow... lastlib May 2012 #22
You'll can also be richer ag_dude May 2012 #45
Every law effects the distribution of wealth and everyone with power ties to keep it for themselves. airplaneman May 2012 #44
Welcome to DU airplaneman. pa28 May 2012 #46
Right direction..... dtom67 May 2012 #51
Calculating whether you're in the top 1% - TBF May 2012 #54
I'm also very curious as to where net worth SheilaT May 2012 #66
Like Carlin said... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #57
In The Audacity of Hope, President Obama himself explained why this matters: sad sally May 2012 #64
Good quote - TBF May 2012 #67
Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team) misshu May 2012 #72
I expect to be in the 1% next year taught_me_patience May 2012 #76
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