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passiveporcupine

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67. Raise the cap? They want to lower it.

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:19 AM

Oct 2015

Again, from the Heritage.org link I posted above, this is on the new "flat benefit" concept that they are trying to cram into this budget deal for DDSI and Medicare.

A reduction in the payroll tax cap would help offset the increased progressivity of a flat benefit by limiting the total amount of payroll taxes for middle-income to upper-income earners.[14] Over time, as a flat benefit and other SSDI reforms improve the solvency of the program, any savings should be used to reduce the payroll tax cap at its current level of $118,500 to something closer to between one and two times the median wage. If individuals receive nothing in return for higher SSDI taxes, there should be a lower limit on effective premiums.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/10/improving-social-security-disability-insurance-with-a-flat-benefit

Yay!...let's just get flat taxes for everyone. We don't need no stinkin' progressivity in this great country of Amerka!

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Why NOT cut ENTITLEMENTS to the disabled? [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 OP

I agree payment rates are too low, but sounds like Obama is trading physical exams in 20 more states Hoyt Oct 2015 #1

Let's see.... merrily Oct 2015 #5

Disability will be cut 20% in 2016 without this additional funds, which it appears accord will Hoyt Oct 2015 #7

So maybe the President could get off his gilded backside MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #8

I'm with you, Manny. ladyVet Oct 2015 #82

+1000 Punkingal Oct 2015 #83

but... but... but... centrism! Fast Walker 52 Oct 2015 #100

K&r! Fearless Oct 2015 #105

Hey - that might cause the Nobel committee to withdraw that unearned piece of metal erronis Oct 2015 #106

+100%! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #109

I am so sick of the lie that whatever has happened is the best that could possibly have happened. merrily Oct 2015 #10

Me too! n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #12

Me too. The only issue on which he has spent any political capital is TPP. That right there tells GoneFishin Oct 2015 #15

Yep +1 840high Oct 2015 #57

I have a feeling we'll be treated to the same song and dance Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #65

Oh, then it would be the Variety Hour all day long. Multiple songs, dances and comedy acts. merrily Oct 2015 #66

I can imagine the comedy acts would include such skits as Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #70

LOL, but...why Bono? merrily Oct 2015 #74

Bono turned into a bigtime conservative Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #117

It's the Centrist way neverforget Oct 2015 #118

I applied for SSDI in June of 2013. Keefer Oct 2015 #34

Not sure what your point is. If it is that getting SSDI is that fast and easy for everyone, you're merrily Oct 2015 #64

It Sure Wasn't That Fast For My Wife! ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #76

Thanks for the confirmation. Maybe the poster had some other point? merrily Oct 2015 #77

You asked about the red tape involved. Keefer Oct 2015 #80

You mentioned the VA, so I assume you're a Veteran. Quackers Oct 2015 #85

I was never asked Keefer Oct 2015 #89

They ask you because it goes toward your capability assessment. Quackers Oct 2015 #91

It never came up. Keefer Oct 2015 #92

Nope, it was because the judge who had the first approval had a soft spot for heart problems. haele Oct 2015 #96

Whatever you ascribe to it, Keefer Oct 2015 #97

Mine came quickly also BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #86

There is a man across the street from me Keefer Oct 2015 #90

That is terrible BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #93

I don't know why all those poor people are complaining about being hungry Fairgo Oct 2015 #98

Again... Keefer Oct 2015 #99

I can appreciate that Fairgo Oct 2015 #101

I would but Keefer Oct 2015 #103

So few have the profile in courage needed to run on ending life for the needy "as we know it." merrily Oct 2015 #2

It is a very rational decision on his part. wilsonbooks Oct 2015 #3

Yeah, make those disabled bums prove it! BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #4

I have no problem with people having to prove disability in order to receive disability benefits. merrily Oct 2015 #6

Considering it happens in 30 states already yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #11

LOL! you probably want to think about that question a little longer, esp. in light of Reply 5. merrily Oct 2015 #13

They will use it as a way to deny people SSDI. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #50

Florida is one of the 30 you soeak of. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #56

Yes, I'm getting a little tired of these freeloaders myself. I think they would be useful maybe.. BlueJazz Oct 2015 #9

you forgot "at minimum wage" passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #71

Let's not get crazy here! Minimum wage is a little too much for disabled people. Quackers Oct 2015 #87

The 99% can stand to lose some weight anyway. We can't destroy the planet by letting valerief Oct 2015 #14

The infants, toddlers and parents I work with in my retirement job do feel so entitled. gordianot Oct 2015 #16

It's as if Republicans and not Democrats control Congress. nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #17

Obviously, our strategy is working! MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #19

Maybe Obama should threaten a default on the debt unless geek tragedy Oct 2015 #20

Maybe we should negotiate with hostage takers? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #22

Maybe we should read Article I of the constitution nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #24

Maybe we should read Dick and Jane MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #26

That Ted Cruz has really accomplished a lot for geek tragedy Oct 2015 #27

How did we do in the last elections? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #30

Yes, when you are reduced to claiming that Ted Cruz geek tragedy Oct 2015 #37

You asked how things worked out for the Republicans MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #39

No, that was not my question. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #42

Who was in control of Congress in January 2009, when Obama gave an interview to WAPO, merrily Oct 2015 #29

What changes to entitlement programs geek tragedy Oct 2015 #33

So Obama failed on purpose? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #35

Fallacy: Loaded question. Please rephrase. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #40

Your discomfort with the answer MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #43

No, your question carried an embedded assumption that has geek tragedy Oct 2015 #45

Non sequitur. However, I will answer anyway. merrily Oct 2015 #44

So now you're complaining Obama didn't do anything geek tragedy Oct 2015 #51

I did not post anything like what your straw people post claims. Please pity the straw people. merrily Oct 2015 #53

You realize that there won't be any more entitlement legislation geek tragedy Oct 2015 #55

And now we move the goal post to no more legislation until 2017. merrily Oct 2015 #59

Because Republicans reneged on the deal they made with Obama MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #60

I guess we have to protect those getting death benefits from SSDI... cascadiance Oct 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Oct 2015 #21

In certain parts of the country, cuts to fuel subsidies may reduce both the elderly population and merrily Oct 2015 #31

Bipartisanship is alive and well in Washington. Broward Oct 2015 #23

I've been doing some research on this passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #25

Are you serious? You are defending this as a poverty prevention program? liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #38

I'm not defending this passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #41

You are absolutely right about the poverty level and the guaranteed living income. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #46

Who needs "votes" when you can BUY the office? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #28

You sound like Rosenberg, who went from the DLC to found the New Democrat Network. merrily Oct 2015 #36

These decisions were made by voters, or non voters as the case may be, mountain grammy Oct 2015 #32

Not really. Long game. merrily Oct 2015 #47

I just love the ignore button. Bye. liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #52

FWIW, I like mountain grammy. But a poster's gotta do what a poster's gotta do. nt merrily Oct 2015 #68

Thank you for being a Very Serious Person lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #48

Did you get lost and wander out of Loonyland again? Lyric Oct 2015 #49

For a good number its well below 1,100 and more like 800 range. cstanleytech Oct 2015 #54

I hope to God this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. I can't believe how little liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #58

The only way I know how 840high Oct 2015 #61

I hope it is that easy, but I don't think it will be. The Labor Movement, The Civil Rights Movement, liberal_at_heart Oct 2015 #63

It's not like they could raise the cap or anything! Fuddnik Oct 2015 #62

Raise the cap? They want to lower it. passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #67

Reduction in the payroll tax cap was already given to Republicans in early Obama Administration DhhD Oct 2015 #115

MANY possible solutions, but please see Reply 10. nt merrily Oct 2015 #69

#facts Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #72

Third Way Manny, bobGandolf Oct 2015 #73

Sadly,Third Way Democrats make going back in time re: Reagan unnecessary. merrily Oct 2015 #75

I'm sorry maxrandb Oct 2015 #78

Do you understand that problem exists because we ran jeff47 Oct 2015 #95

We should be grateful they aren't suggesting using the disabled for target practice. Vinca Oct 2015 #79

Don't give them any ideas...n/t BuelahWitch Oct 2015 #84

Fast Track this idea! Octafish Oct 2015 #81

Why not get your facts straight before doling out garbage??? Pisces Oct 2015 #88

Yes! It's the neoliberal "Third Way". The lesser of two evils solution. It maintains a more Zorra Oct 2015 #94

$1,100 per month? KamaAina Oct 2015 #102

Manny, it's $733/month, not $1,100 Demeter Oct 2015 #104

I don't think of Then as entitlements. blondie58 Oct 2015 #107

benefits you have earned actually does = entitlements Skittles Oct 2015 #110

Thank you, Skittles blondie58 Oct 2015 #111

gawd, I dream of retirement Skittles Oct 2015 #112

Yup Manny. I really made an informed choice to get deadly sick with lupus so I could live in poverty Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #108

quit calling them intitlements . we pay into that shit and for every cut for ss the allan01 Oct 2015 #113

When America thinks disabled they think about a 60 year jwirr Oct 2015 #114

Spot on Depaysement Oct 2015 #116

Kick, and waiting for the apology nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #119