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pampango

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21. Juan Cole: No, Donald Trump, Mideast wouldn’t be more Stable under Saddam & other Dictators
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

The mistake Mr. Trump is making is to think ahistorically, that is, to think as though societies do not change dramatically over time. The Neoconservatives thought they could install a king over Iraq in 2003. But Iraqi society had overthrown the kings in 1958, and there is no going back. History may not be dialectical in exactly the Hegelian sense, but any historical situation does produce other, different situations over time. Moreover, societies can change dramatically. History is not static. It is not like a slab of marble. Historical developments produce new and different historical situations over time, and new generations react to the previous ones by striking out in different direction, even at great risk.


How anyone in his right mind could think that Bashar al-Assad (r. 2000- present) brought stability to Syria just baffles me. He provoked the 2011 uprisings and he caused the civil war by deploying his military against the peaceful demonstrators. That’s stability? It is mostly his fault that over 200,000 Syrians are dead and 11 million out of 22 million are homeless. If you are president and your country is in this condition, you don’t get to say you brought stability. Nor is the problem outsiders. In 2011 there was almost no outside interference in Syria. Bashar drove the opposition to pick up arms. The largely rural and illiterate Syria of 1970 when Bashar’s father came to power is long gone. You can’t keep them on the farm once they have seen gay Paree.

Libya under Gaddafi was not stable by 2011, and it was not the United Nations no-fly zone that made it unstable. It was unstable because Gaddafi’s secret police state had lost its authority for a majority of the population, which rose up against it. That is clear instability, and it was provoked by Gaddafi’s erratic and sclerotic dictatorship and by massive repression. I wandered the halls of the courthouse in Benghazi in May of 2011 and the walls were full of pitiful old black and white pictures of young men, including soldiers, whom Gaddafi had made to disappear, asking plaintively if anyone knew their fate (we know their fate).

Does Mr. Trump believe that Europe was more stable when Erich Honecker ruled significant swathes of Germany with an iron fist? Or when Tito headed Yugoslavia? Inflexible dictatorships that cannot adapt to social change and the rise of new generations cause instability, Mr. Trump. They don’t forestall it. Or, they don’t forestall it for more than a generation.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/10/mideast-wouldnt-dictators.html

Scary, did someone give him a brain? Autumn Oct 2015 #1
It was just a temp brain...gone very soon..nt Stuart G Oct 2015 #7
I agree with the donald on this one. napi21 Oct 2015 #2
....x10+ 840high Oct 2015 #4
A noble thought that sadly diverges frm the PNAC agenda. FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #6
The PNACers and their cronies wanted the oil, so they had to shock doctrine his fanny tblue37 Oct 2015 #11
He's actually right on this. cui bono Oct 2015 #3
Wow, one of his few brain cells must have divided. louis-t Oct 2015 #5
I agree with you..Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. and..I might add that. Stuart G Oct 2015 #8
Stopped clock. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #9
+1000 n/t n2doc Oct 2015 #16
Damn, for once he's not wrong (nt) Recursion Oct 2015 #10
He's right: totalitarian states are often quite stable. Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #12
Conservatives like Trump are comfortable with authoritarian governments. Indeed Trump's appeal pampango Oct 2015 #15
It's not like we replaced dictatorships with democracies daleo Oct 2015 #17
"Stability" of a totalitarian regime directly correlates with the instability once it's gone. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #19
If you talk enough BS, sooner or later you will accidently say something that makes sense. bvar22 Oct 2015 #13
But not as profitable! hunter Oct 2015 #14
oddly accurate, though I think it's because he admires their management skills MisterP Oct 2015 #18
Dubya poked a stick into a hornet's nest Skittles Oct 2015 #20
Juan Cole: No, Donald Trump, Mideast wouldn’t be more Stable under Saddam & other Dictators pampango Oct 2015 #21
BINGO NuclearDem Oct 2015 #22
Thanks treestar Oct 2015 #23
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