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Chan790

(20,176 posts)
15. The product is information.
Wed May 23, 2012, 05:52 PM
May 2012

Not the kind of information that anybody can have, such information is worthless; when you're on Facebook, Facebook can track what you look at, they can data-base every word you say, they know what you like...all of that is a product that is sell-able, it's a product that is scarce. (It's a commodity that can be overvalued like any other as the Facebook IPO shows.) There is a lot of money in that actually though. It's the secret that the credit-card companies have known for years: your buying habits and their records of such are worth more to them than their finance business. The information economy was always going to be the next major economic move though we didn't always know it...the "service economy" is/was a scam and some people knew it from the outset, the same people that knew the manufacturing economy was terminal, the end-throes of the Industrial Revolution. Something had to come along to be the next "age"...we didn't know it was going to be the vast commodization of information made possible by mobile-comm, internet and social-media; we knew it was going to be something...or else we were going to be in a world of shit. That something is the information economy.

If we were still a manufacturing economy, we'd be dead-stagnant globally (If you've never read Player Piano that's what we'd be approaching on if our economy was still manufacturing-centric...the future would be a grim one of low employment.) Don't get me wrong, we need domestic manufacturing and need to re-domesticate manufacturing (and end free-trade and re-engage in tariff-driven stabilization), but even if manufacturing had never fallen off...we'd be in shit creek if information as a commodity had not overtaken it as an economic-driver. Technology has been displacing manufacturing and manual labor for 8000 years. It's not China that stole the blue-collar factory jobs half as much as it's IBM's computers and GE's machines just as it was specialized tool-and-die and the assembly-line that displaced the guild craftsman and the stableboy and the small-farmer. It takes less people to make and repair the machines than it took to do the work the machines do now. There is less need for less manufacturing labor-force, globally and domestically.

Want a strong economy? Push manufacturing and information as the twin key economic drivers. Invest in technology that increases effectiveness of both. Accept that one is waxing and one is waning...and someday too the waxing will be the waning as something waxes anew in an increasingly post-capital world. Capitalism is the handmaiden of industrialism, industrialism is ending. Manufacturing is ending. There will ever be need for fewer makers of things.

20 years hence, the global manufacturing workforce will be halved again, the few will make the computers that run the machines that fix the machines that make the goods and the computers eliminating the need for ever more of the few. Nobody mourns the stonemason or livestock-harness maker or woodcutter.

Most future products will not be the things you can hold or see and the things you can hold and see won't be the valuable products central to the economy.

were a lot of retail investors in on this? woolldog May 2012 #1
I really don't know but from what I gather there were two camps... Poll_Blind May 2012 #5
It is an extremely rare situation where the average... A HERETIC I AM May 2012 #23
I know people who short sold it on Friday KurtNYC May 2012 #25
very well said. Whisp May 2012 #2
Not only can we not compete in the market, we can't earn anything with money on deposit in a bank. Laurian May 2012 #4
Precisely. I bet we could get a lot of retired Republicans who would agree JDPriestly May 2012 #22
Most of us peons have no concept of what it means to be *really* rich. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #3
+1 Poll_Blind May 2012 #6
Yes. It's a whole different way of thinking The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #10
Yes, the really rich want the rest of us to be their slaves. FiveGoodMen May 2012 #20
You nailed it... chervilant May 2012 #21
I know I'm a bit old fashioned and ignorant about these matters panader0 May 2012 #7
The product is information. Chan790 May 2012 #15
The product is you ikri May 2012 #32
"A million in the bank? Oh, you'd be financially teabagging on most of America if you wanted to." yortsed snacilbuper May 2012 #8
Well Said, Sir: Well Said Indeed The Magistrate May 2012 #9
I agree. People with even $5M need bank regulation as much as the 99%. pnwmom May 2012 #11
I totally agree. But IMHO many if not most Americans are driven by greed. rhett o rick May 2012 #12
As John Reed told Bill Moyers gratuitous May 2012 #19
When the algorithms that move the financial exchanges begin to carve up the physical earth AtheistCrusader May 2012 #13
+1 Poll_Blind May 2012 #17
Great read! Spazito May 2012 #14
Well, damn. Robb May 2012 #16
The problem with fleecing millionaires is that they are vengeful and they hire lawyers. aquart May 2012 #18
No matter how hard I try.. sendero May 2012 #24
this thing was supposed "to excite retail investors" because FB is a "feel good" company KurtNYC May 2012 #26
You have a better shot in Vegas & you'll have a better time too. CrispyQ May 2012 #27
"Chances are, they're still on someone's menu, just like the rest of us." WilliamPitt May 2012 #28
Just saw this on another thread... Oh, the irony! HCE SuiGeneris May 2012 #29
IPOS Have Always Been Scams... KharmaTrain May 2012 #30
Mind if I rant? raouldukelives May 2012 #31
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