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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
99. Gotcha, your argument contained sympathy for the mother and the kid she was holding.
Tue May 22, 2012, 10:03 AM
May 2012

I know you showed some consideration in there for her, I just need to use my secret decoder to find where.

Seriously, though, your excuse has consistently been "well the poor put upon agent who shot an unarmed woman with a baby in her arms was in a firefight!" Yeah, I'm sure she was firing laser beams at him with her eyes, and as you said I really can't deny that because I wasn't there.

And yeah, I am angry. Deal with it. I am one of many. Eventually we will force some drastic changes to the system of law enforcement. Because we are pissed. My OP is not ludicrous - your argument is.

Get used to this anger, it's growing, and it won't stop growing until the police stop being brutal psychopaths with a God complex.

you might want to read norm stamper's article in the Nation, or watch his niyad May 2012 #1
Wow. Sad, but not surprising. Zalatix May 2012 #4
It is chilling. I have read his writings on policing and give him credit for sabrina 1 May 2012 #73
Stamper cites an article from the cato institute DiverDave May 2012 #85
A troubling passage DiverDave May 2012 #93
that is truly disturbing niyad May 2012 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad May 2012 #2
It is far past time we institute federally mandated police standards JFN1 May 2012 #3
That's part of the solution. Zalatix May 2012 #5
+1 nt Poll_Blind May 2012 #7
Government took over the Numbers Racket and called it the Lottery, Downwinder May 2012 #6
Cue "Imperial March Theme". ZM90 May 2012 #8
The militarized goons that call themselves cops hifiguy May 2012 #9
Actually the politicians and Plutocrats who armed and metaphorically roided up these cops Zalatix May 2012 #13
You have a point about police unions. daaron May 2012 #29
They are the lapdogs of an increasingly brutal ruling class. white_wolf May 2012 #10
Unfortunately - true. TBF May 2012 #68
David Icke? pinto May 2012 #11
My points are all documented. There is no conspiratorial fear mongering there at all. Just facts. Zalatix May 2012 #15
...and Ruby Ridge jberryhill May 2012 #16
Yeah, why throw that in? UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #17
Weaver's son was shot in the back.. Upton May 2012 #46
The sins of the father MUST be visited upon his family! Go USA!!! Zalatix May 2012 #89
Ah, so that's why Randy Weaver's wife deserved to die while holding a baby in her arms. Zalatix May 2012 #86
He had months to get his family out of harms way. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #87
That doesn't excuse a law enforcement agent shooting an unarmed woman with a baby in her arms. Zalatix May 2012 #88
All the feds knew is they were being shot at by Neo-Nazi maniacs. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #90
And I've already locked you in my cuckoo cellar. Again, there was NO REASON Zalatix May 2012 #91
You weren't there. You don't know. randome May 2012 #92
Firefight or no, there's NO REASON to shoot a woman with a baby in her arms. Zalatix May 2012 #94
Not defending anyone. It was a fuck-up from the start. randome May 2012 #95
Perhaps that's why the jury was so sympathetic to Randy Weaver. Zalatix May 2012 #97
Where did I say I didn't care? randome May 2012 #98
Gotcha, your argument contained sympathy for the mother and the kid she was holding. Zalatix May 2012 #99
Actually Meiko May 2012 #19
He was charged with having a sawed off shotgun UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #36
David Icke also believes "reptilian beings" control the world ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #143
Please note this video of a man being threatened and arrested for attempting to file a complaint Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #12
Disturbing video ryan_cats May 2012 #96
All I know is what we can see there. Perhaps if you backtrack to the youtube page Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #106
And don't miss this goldmine of examples of undercover cops caught causing trouble: Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #14
K&R DeSwiss May 2012 #18
You are broad brushing an entire group of people treestar May 2012 #20
The cops will do exactly what they're ordered to do. Zalatix May 2012 #21
"ordered to do" by who? The community they serve treestar May 2012 #22
... Fumesucker May 2012 #24
The exception that proves the point. randome May 2012 #25
Just the fact that he felt comfortable doing it is an indictment of our police forces.. Fumesucker May 2012 #27
So what do you recommend be done? treestar May 2012 #118
But that's not what happened in every single case treestar May 2012 #31
When those who are sworn and tasked to uphold the law deliberately break it.. Fumesucker May 2012 #33
No one is arguing the points you make about the Berkley incident. randome May 2012 #37
I was responding to treestar's words.. Fumesucker May 2012 #41
He wasn't 'putting down anything'. randome May 2012 #42
Was it a legal act, spraying those students? Fumesucker May 2012 #43
No, and he would answer for it treestar May 2012 #121
It wasn't a legal act yet many police officers watched it done and never lifted a finger.. Fumesucker May 2012 #128
Judge that when you are a police officer in that situation treestar May 2012 #130
A police officer watching a serious crime being committed? Fumesucker May 2012 #133
Like it or not, there are laws treestar May 2012 #120
There is no evidence that the protesters in the Davis case were breaking the law.. Fumesucker May 2012 #129
How do you know? treestar May 2012 #131
I was speaking of one specific case, one where the morality is clear.. Fumesucker May 2012 #134
Then the fact any teacher ever sexually molested a student treestar May 2012 #119
Do teachers molest students in front of hundreds of cameras? Fumesucker May 2012 #127
What difference does the camera make? treestar May 2012 #132
Deniability, that's the point of the camera.. Fumesucker May 2012 #135
Wow. You probably believe that "police brutality" was a word invented by Oliver Stone. Zalatix May 2012 #30
Mayor Bloomberg was elected by the people! treestar May 2012 #122
And arguments like that are how countries get far worse. Zalatix May 2012 #137
The op is also blurring police and Federal agents to make their points. FSogol May 2012 #48
True. I believe there are reports to file if you even fire a gun treestar May 2012 #114
I am SO FUCKING SICK of that argument to defend police! You are clueless... Logical May 2012 #49
'Every cop...' ? randome May 2012 #50
Well, I have not talked to a cop that didn't admit it. Maybe 100 of them in my lifetime of asking.. Logical May 2012 #52
Dropping charges does not mean someone did not deserve to be arrested. randome May 2012 #53
No it is not good reason. It is actually False Arrest 90% of the time. Are you gullible.... Logical May 2012 #55
I'm not defending ANYONE who abuses another person. randome May 2012 #59
LOL, that argument is like saying..... Logical May 2012 #63
Sorry, he's too busy defending cops who shoot unarmed women with babies in their arms Zalatix May 2012 #100
No one argued any such thing treestar May 2012 #126
Not made up at all, it was said upthread. Zalatix May 2012 #138
So why don't you distrust firemen then? treestar May 2012 #125
Wow, you need to do way more research! n-t Logical May 2012 #139
We all have "power" to kill or harm others treestar May 2012 #124
Yeah right every cop you ever talked to admitted that treestar May 2012 #123
It is not that dangerous of a job! Read some stats befor you... Logical May 2012 #140
I am so sick of your broad brushing cops treestar May 2012 #115
I hate any group that legally abuse people! So should you! Logical May 2012 #141
Have you had any acquaintance with the 'Ramparts Scandal' in coalition_unwilling May 2012 #65
We don't need police? treestar May 2012 #116
OK, I have no choice but to put you on Ignore for insinuating that coalition_unwilling May 2012 #136
YOU may have to have them..... DeSwiss May 2012 #66
Even libertarians don't make that argument treestar May 2012 #117
Lol, that old argument is done! The police should be much better!!! Logical May 2012 #111
"...a thousand other cases..." randome May 2012 #23
But criticize religion and what what this one does jberryhill May 2012 #57
The only reason the police have more firepower is because more firepower is available to the public. baldguy May 2012 #26
Gun control does not mean the cops won't be armed. Zalatix May 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Upton May 2012 #39
Dictators love the it when govt does their bidding baldguy May 2012 #45
Tell that to Moammar Ghadafi. Or Nicolai Caucescu. Zalatix May 2012 #47
Tell that to Randy Weaver, David Koresh and Tim McVeigh. baldguy May 2012 #62
Those were a handful of people. Zalatix May 2012 #74
I don't know if you're deliberately missing the point, or if you're just too dim to get it. baldguy May 2012 #77
I'm getting it just fine. I got the point and my argument is flawless. Zalatix May 2012 #78
Your "argument" - such as it is - doesn't bear the slightest resembance to reality. baldguy May 2012 #83
Again, my argument had no errors, and you have presented no counter. Zalatix May 2012 #84
Fail, double fail, and triple fail. baldguy May 2012 #109
Temper, temper. You're getting absolutely nowhere here except making your case look very bad. Zalatix May 2012 #110
Simply repeating your assertions doesn't make them any more true. baldguy May 2012 #112
Communist China loves your arguments. Zalatix May 2012 #113
There were no "armed citizens" in any of those countries. baldguy May 2012 #142
Extremist rightwing solutions LOL hahahahah what a desperate little argument! Zalatix May 2012 #144
You're getting your talking points & tactics directly from Faux Snooze & FreeRepublic. baldguy May 2012 #145
You're getting your talking points directly from Beijing. Zalatix May 2012 #146
My owning of guns.. Upton May 2012 #40
You might want to re-asses your comfort with a gun DiverDave May 2012 #101
Sorry, but we've got China beat (per capita) by a long way. nt daaron May 2012 #28
Some of them consider themselves elite like those on swat forces. LiberalFighter May 2012 #34
A huge ugly storm is.. 99Forever May 2012 #35
These pictures....... SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #38
You can't fight fear lunatica May 2012 #44
They think they are the military. Skidmore May 2012 #51
A year or so an officer was killed in the line of duty in Indianapolis DefenseLawyer May 2012 #54
The war metaphor is overused everywhere treestar May 2012 #70
Yay! Another absurd FTP thread! gulliver May 2012 #56
No 'information' here. Just emotional venting. randome May 2012 #60
I know you won't reply to this and your comments are just drive-by's, but Zalatix May 2012 #79
I don't deny anything. randome May 2012 #80
The police system we have is designed to hire psychopaths. Zalatix May 2012 #82
"Do you deny the rampant nature of police brutality against Occupy protesters? " NCTraveler May 2012 #107
What's FTP? treestar May 2012 #69
"Fuck The Police". randome May 2012 #72
Defending cops is the last resort of sycophants and fans of dictatorships. Zalatix May 2012 #102
A torture case? Do you really think I'm going to defend something like that? randome May 2012 #103
Your views of cops are downright sycophantic. And unrealistic, to boot. Zalatix May 2012 #105
ntractable dogmas deny room for anything else... LanternWaste May 2012 #104
Just like religious leaders jberryhill May 2012 #58
They are part of the new religion of America: the cult of the Blue servants of Robber Baron Capitali lonestarnot May 2012 #61
End the lionizing of those in uniform, especially cops. Dawson Leery May 2012 #64
O these errors in facts! davekriss May 2012 #67
Yes. And many here do as well. Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #71
You are far along the path to fucked as soon as you have law enforcement instead of peace officers TheKentuckian May 2012 #75
Type A personalities are drawn to the work. CANDO May 2012 #76
Yay, Cops! Iggo May 2012 #81
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