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Sun May 20, 2012, 01:18 PM

65. Have you had any acquaintance with the 'Ramparts Scandal' in

Los Angeles? You may re-think your argument that we simply "have to have police" after you familiarize yourself with its broad outlines. N.B. Most of the story got brushed under the rug, but even the details that came to light paint the LAPD Ramparts Division as little better than the gangs it was supposedly protecting the people from.

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Do the police think that they are gods? [View all]	Zalatix	May 2012	OP
you might want to read norm stamper's article in the Nation, or watch his	niyad	May 2012	#1
Wow. Sad, but not surprising.	Zalatix	May 2012	#4
It is chilling. I have read his writings on policing and give him credit for	sabrina 1	May 2012	#73
Stamper cites an article from the cato institute	DiverDave	May 2012	#85
A troubling passage	DiverDave	May 2012	#93
that is truly disturbing	niyad	May 2012	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	niyad	May 2012	#2
It is far past time we institute federally mandated police standards	JFN1	May 2012	#3
That's part of the solution.	Zalatix	May 2012	#5
+1 nt	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#7
Government took over the Numbers Racket and called it the Lottery,	Downwinder	May 2012	#6
Cue "Imperial March Theme".	ZM90	May 2012	#8
The militarized goons that call themselves cops	hifiguy	May 2012	#9
Actually the politicians and Plutocrats who armed and metaphorically roided up these cops	Zalatix	May 2012	#13
You have a point about police unions.	daaron	May 2012	#29
They are the lapdogs of an increasingly brutal ruling class.	white_wolf	May 2012	#10
Unfortunately - true.	TBF	May 2012	#68
David Icke?	pinto	May 2012	#11
My points are all documented. There is no conspiratorial fear mongering there at all. Just facts.	Zalatix	May 2012	#15
...and Ruby Ridge	jberryhill	May 2012	#16
Yeah, why throw that in?	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#17
Weaver's son was shot in the back..	Upton	May 2012	#46
The sins of the father MUST be visited upon his family! Go USA!!!	Zalatix	May 2012	#89
Ah, so that's why Randy Weaver's wife deserved to die while holding a baby in her arms.	Zalatix	May 2012	#86
He had months to get his family out of harms way.	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#87
That doesn't excuse a law enforcement agent shooting an unarmed woman with a baby in her arms.	Zalatix	May 2012	#88
All the feds knew is they were being shot at by Neo-Nazi maniacs.	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#90
And I've already locked you in my cuckoo cellar. Again, there was NO REASON	Zalatix	May 2012	#91
You weren't there. You don't know.	randome	May 2012	#92
Firefight or no, there's NO REASON to shoot a woman with a baby in her arms.	Zalatix	May 2012	#94
Not defending anyone. It was a fuck-up from the start.	randome	May 2012	#95
Perhaps that's why the jury was so sympathetic to Randy Weaver.	Zalatix	May 2012	#97
Where did I say I didn't care?	randome	May 2012	#98
Gotcha, your argument contained sympathy for the mother and the kid she was holding.	Zalatix	May 2012	#99
Actually	Meiko	May 2012	#19
He was charged with having a sawed off shotgun	UnrepentantLiberal	May 2012	#36
David Icke also believes "reptilian beings" control the world	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	May 2012	#143
Please note this video of a man being threatened and arrested for attempting to file a complaint	Fire Walk With Me	May 2012	#12
Disturbing video	ryan_cats	May 2012	#96
All I know is what we can see there. Perhaps if you backtrack to the youtube page	Fire Walk With Me	May 2012	#106
And don't miss this goldmine of examples of undercover cops caught causing trouble:	Fire Walk With Me	May 2012	#14
K&R	DeSwiss	May 2012	#18
You are broad brushing an entire group of people	treestar	May 2012	#20
The cops will do exactly what they're ordered to do.	Zalatix	May 2012	#21
"ordered to do" by who? The community they serve	treestar	May 2012	#22
...	Fumesucker	May 2012	#24
The exception that proves the point.	randome	May 2012	#25
Just the fact that he felt comfortable doing it is an indictment of our police forces..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#27
So what do you recommend be done?	treestar	May 2012	#118
But that's not what happened in every single case	treestar	May 2012	#31
When those who are sworn and tasked to uphold the law deliberately break it..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#33
No one is arguing the points you make about the Berkley incident.	randome	May 2012	#37
I was responding to treestar's words..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#41
He wasn't 'putting down anything'.	randome	May 2012	#42
Was it a legal act, spraying those students?	Fumesucker	May 2012	#43
No, and he would answer for it	treestar	May 2012	#121
It wasn't a legal act yet many police officers watched it done and never lifted a finger..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#128
Judge that when you are a police officer in that situation	treestar	May 2012	#130
A police officer watching a serious crime being committed?	Fumesucker	May 2012	#133
Like it or not, there are laws	treestar	May 2012	#120
There is no evidence that the protesters in the Davis case were breaking the law..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#129
How do you know?	treestar	May 2012	#131
I was speaking of one specific case, one where the morality is clear..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#134
Then the fact any teacher ever sexually molested a student	treestar	May 2012	#119
Do teachers molest students in front of hundreds of cameras?	Fumesucker	May 2012	#127
What difference does the camera make?	treestar	May 2012	#132
Deniability, that's the point of the camera..	Fumesucker	May 2012	#135
Wow. You probably believe that "police brutality" was a word invented by Oliver Stone.	Zalatix	May 2012	#30
Mayor Bloomberg was elected by the people!	treestar	May 2012	#122
And arguments like that are how countries get far worse.	Zalatix	May 2012	#137
The op is also blurring police and Federal agents to make their points.	FSogol	May 2012	#48
True. I believe there are reports to file if you even fire a gun	treestar	May 2012	#114
I am SO FUCKING SICK of that argument to defend police! You are clueless...	Logical	May 2012	#49
'Every cop...' ?	randome	May 2012	#50
Well, I have not talked to a cop that didn't admit it. Maybe 100 of them in my lifetime of asking..	Logical	May 2012	#52
Dropping charges does not mean someone did not deserve to be arrested.	randome	May 2012	#53
No it is not good reason. It is actually False Arrest 90% of the time. Are you gullible....	Logical	May 2012	#55
I'm not defending ANYONE who abuses another person.	randome	May 2012	#59
LOL, that argument is like saying.....	Logical	May 2012	#63
Sorry, he's too busy defending cops who shoot unarmed women with babies in their arms	Zalatix	May 2012	#100
No one argued any such thing	treestar	May 2012	#126
Not made up at all, it was said upthread.	Zalatix	May 2012	#138
So why don't you distrust firemen then?	treestar	May 2012	#125
Wow, you need to do way more research! n-t	Logical	May 2012	#139
We all have "power" to kill or harm others	treestar	May 2012	#124
Yeah right every cop you ever talked to admitted that	treestar	May 2012	#123
It is not that dangerous of a job! Read some stats befor you...	Logical	May 2012	#140
I am so sick of your broad brushing cops	treestar	May 2012	#115
I hate any group that legally abuse people! So should you!	Logical	May 2012	#141
Have you had any acquaintance with the 'Ramparts Scandal' in	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#65
We don't need police?	treestar	May 2012	#116
OK, I have no choice but to put you on Ignore for insinuating that	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#136
YOU may have to have them.....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#66
Even libertarians don't make that argument	treestar	May 2012	#117
Lol, that old argument is done! The police should be much better!!!	Logical	May 2012	#111
"...a thousand other cases..."	randome	May 2012	#23
But criticize religion and what what this one does	jberryhill	May 2012	#57
The only reason the police have more firepower is because more firepower is available to the public.	baldguy	May 2012	#26
Gun control does not mean the cops won't be armed.	Zalatix	May 2012	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	Upton	May 2012	#39
Dictators love the it when govt does their bidding	baldguy	May 2012	#45
Tell that to Moammar Ghadafi. Or Nicolai Caucescu.	Zalatix	May 2012	#47
Tell that to Randy Weaver, David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.	baldguy	May 2012	#62
Those were a handful of people.	Zalatix	May 2012	#74
I don't know if you're deliberately missing the point, or if you're just too dim to get it.	baldguy	May 2012	#77
I'm getting it just fine. I got the point and my argument is flawless.	Zalatix	May 2012	#78
Your "argument" - such as it is - doesn't bear the slightest resembance to reality.	baldguy	May 2012	#83
Again, my argument had no errors, and you have presented no counter.	Zalatix	May 2012	#84
Fail, double fail, and triple fail.	baldguy	May 2012	#109
Temper, temper. You're getting absolutely nowhere here except making your case look very bad.	Zalatix	May 2012	#110
Simply repeating your assertions doesn't make them any more true.	baldguy	May 2012	#112
Communist China loves your arguments.	Zalatix	May 2012	#113
There were no "armed citizens" in any of those countries.	baldguy	May 2012	#142
Extremist rightwing solutions LOL hahahahah what a desperate little argument!	Zalatix	May 2012	#144
You're getting your talking points & tactics directly from Faux Snooze & FreeRepublic.	baldguy	May 2012	#145
You're getting your talking points directly from Beijing.	Zalatix	May 2012	#146
My owning of guns..	Upton	May 2012	#40
You might want to re-asses your comfort with a gun	DiverDave	May 2012	#101
Sorry, but we've got China beat (per capita) by a long way. nt	daaron	May 2012	#28
Some of them consider themselves elite like those on swat forces.	LiberalFighter	May 2012	#34
A huge ugly storm is..	99Forever	May 2012	#35
These pictures.......	SammyWinstonJack	May 2012	#38
You can't fight fear	lunatica	May 2012	#44
They think they are the military.	Skidmore	May 2012	#51
A year or so an officer was killed in the line of duty in Indianapolis	DefenseLawyer	May 2012	#54
The war metaphor is overused everywhere	treestar	May 2012	#70
Yay! Another absurd FTP thread!	gulliver	May 2012	#56
No 'information' here. Just emotional venting.	randome	May 2012	#60
I know you won't reply to this and your comments are just drive-by's, but	Zalatix	May 2012	#79
I don't deny anything.	randome	May 2012	#80
The police system we have is designed to hire psychopaths.	Zalatix	May 2012	#82
"Do you deny the rampant nature of police brutality against Occupy protesters? "	NCTraveler	May 2012	#107
What's FTP?	treestar	May 2012	#69
"Fuck The Police".	randome	May 2012	#72
Defending cops is the last resort of sycophants and fans of dictatorships.	Zalatix	May 2012	#102
A torture case? Do you really think I'm going to defend something like that?	randome	May 2012	#103
Your views of cops are downright sycophantic. And unrealistic, to boot.	Zalatix	May 2012	#105
ntractable dogmas deny room for anything else...	LanternWaste	May 2012	#104
Just like religious leaders	jberryhill	May 2012	#58
They are part of the new religion of America: the cult of the Blue servants of Robber Baron Capitali	lonestarnot	May 2012	#61
End the lionizing of those in uniform, especially cops.	Dawson Leery	May 2012	#64
O these errors in facts!	davekriss	May 2012	#67
Yes. And many here do as well.	Puregonzo1188	May 2012	#71
You are far along the path to fucked as soon as you have law enforcement instead of peace officers	TheKentuckian	May 2012	#75
Type A personalities are drawn to the work.	CANDO	May 2012	#76
Yay, Cops!	Iggo	May 2012	#81

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